gold

[vwpro]

Funny thing in EL is, that the Alchemists,harvesters,manu people can afort evry new armor/weapon

 

and any basic fighter like me cant, simply becuz we dont harvest, or dont have a creditcard

only way to do this is we need to harvest too

 

i tought EL wasnt put in classes, u guys force me to harvest, i dont want that, i just want to make money with fighting, wich is what i like, you dont earn ANYTHING with fighting, u only spend the little gc for Sr's, HE and any other Pk stuff, i buy Air ess all the time, sometimes i burn over 200 a day

 

where are our rewards? please change drop rates, more gold

maby same amount of cash if u would harvest silver ore and sold them to players

so thats like 500 silver in 10 min, wich is 1k gold in 10 min ? so maby double the gold for monsters ?

[Infamous]

damn that is so true

i have been harvesting my ass off lately to get gc for the new armours and harvesting isn't the thing i like most

[vwpro]

i mean, lmfao whats 1k gold in 1 hour on a fluffy when ur expensives are wayyy more

[sMooMs]

It's just the rostogol stone that removed the income of fighters

[vwpro]

that too, since my Storage whipe, i barly have any income, lucky i get alot of things free, but i dont think evryone gets that

[Oll]

Your soooo right! Like, my alchemist gets like 5-10k a day!!!!(on FE)

I fight with like monsters and such, and i get like 500gc a day. My a/d is 28/28, so i have to wait.

Edited July 4, 2006 by CoolElfGirl____

[Guest stalag]

I agree with scarr here

 

Fighting dosent pay what we lose not even close. Dont make excuses it simple dosent pay.

 

I did now more then 1 hour of fluffy got 1023c and 1 serp stone but lost 3 fur clock, essences to teleport, 1 iron helm , near 30 SR , 160 HE or something like that, 1 leather pants , 1 steel shield and 100 wines. Do the math????

 

And this goes round after round

[vwpro]

Also the funny thing is a player who played the game for one week, and was harvesting, could make more money then an 110 a/d player on monsters

 

and then again, most players pvp instead of monsters ;*/ we need some seriously income for us, or we die slowly ;*(

[Lorck]

At very high level you can make profit. I was getting drops of like 450-700gc on yetis (of course i cant train on them, i was just serping them for fun with COL).

 

Until there i need to rely on my alch and pot skills to make some gc. Funny that i have more than twice attack levels then pot and still do more money with pot than with fighting.

[Cycloonx]

At very high level you can make profit. I was getting drops of like 450-700gc on yetis (of course i cant train on them, i was just serping them for fun with COL).

 

Until there i need to rely on my alch and pot skills to make some gc. Funny that i have more than twice attack levels then pot and still do more money with pot than with fighting.

 

So if you need some gc go serp yetis, why you guys always need to train? If I need fast gc I also go to fe, and that's not to train my alch skill, but just for money.

[Lorck]

Ye, i stay some minutes on yeti and my COL breaks and i would need another 100k to buy another.

 

I was talking about players like mufossa or dezm or toomass, or whatever, maybe they can fight yeti without COL and have decent profit. We, the other guys, need to alch and pot (or harv blue lupine till boredom) for our EL lives.

Edited July 4, 2006 by Lorck

[Zaer]

yeh this seriously does need looking at.

 

i have said about 20 times before that fighters lose money, its makes sense from and RP point of view that if you were going to risk your life fighting surely the reward would be good enough to warrent the risk?

 

i mean alchemists sit in a storage all day and make loads of money...

 

at least double the GC drops or make it so monsters drop an item that can be sold to an NPC for money or items...

[Guest stalag]

The point made is clear and correct is stupid a fighter to do harvest , alc, pot etc for survive in the game. What it seems is that to be a fighter is not considered a profession around here but more like a part time job or a hobby

[Scorpius]

Well i guessed that..

 

That why i decided to focus on TWO professions. Im Fighting and alching. I mean i can understand that some of you may not have the patience to sit all day in a room creating bars or essences.

Anyway, this doesnt mean its fair how fighter are treatened in EL. Iam for your idea to double the GC or at least give a better chance for good drops to sell.

 

Greetings

Edited July 4, 2006 by Fabi

[trollson]

One question then for the pure-Fighters:

How can you be of benefit to the rest of the community?

Find an answer to that, and make money from it.

[Lorck]

One question then for the pure-Fighters:

How can you be of benefit to the rest of the community?

Find an answer to that, and make money from it.

Buying stuff from the non-pure fighters, like ess, pots, armor, etc.

 

More fighters == more demand == prices higher.

[trollson]

The Fighter as an item sink, sure, but how do they make money off that? It assumes they are a net source of wealth, which is the problem highlighted in this thread.

Are the any services Fighers can offer the community, and get paid for?

This may be being a bit facetious here But there is a point, somewhere...

You cannot expect training to be profitable

Training has to be a loss-leader, for everyone. You'll always need other activities to fund it. Meanwhile, PvP only passes wealth around between the participants, it does not generate any new wealth.

 

Upping the value drops of monsters is tricky: It would be fine for monsters which are challenging (like the Yeti), but not for those which can be trained on. But one fighter's challenge is another's training target!

 

So, what is needed is some other ways for fighters to either generate net wealth, or provide services that others will pay for. Actually use those skills they spend hours training on. For example:

• One method is the bodyguard role; though this is knobbled by monster-magetism (see MM potions thread for discussion on limiting that).
  
• PK guards are still effective, though this easily turns into a protection racket Opportunities at the Hydrogenium mine?
  

Can you think of any others?

Edited July 4, 2006 by trollson

[NitageR]

I would like to see ppl paying someone for being bodyguard

Edited July 4, 2006 by NitageR

[Zaer]

lol i read all the books, and fighting is still the only skill bar summoning and you lose money on

 

why should fighters, just because they enjoy something else, lose money.

 

the game revolves around fighting, without it none of the other skills would be needed, no-one who did the other skills would make any money...

 

Fighters need a way to make profit, we need some reward for the time we spend training, you think its fun to chase a fluffy round the map for 5 mins, kill it and get 10gc "omfg im so f*cking happy!"

 

The reward used to be items got from PK, but the materialistic obsession that all western countries have has invaded even a game and so it is ruined. Rostogols, Thermals and all things you can buy from the shop ruined the game. There can be no arguement, ask anyone, the amount they added to the game and the amount they took away do not balance out.

[vwpro]

Trainers

 

Need Sr's

Need He's

Need basic armor (wich degrade alot)

Need some diss rings,tele rings

Maby essence for teleport room

 

 

 

Pkers

 

Need alot Sr's

Need alot HE AE MAG,MA,SP,EN ess

Need advanced armor (wich degrade alot)

Need alot diss rings,tele rings

Rostogol

Atleast 2-3 super expensive items

 

Evryone uses Expensive items in Pk, wich means you have to use them also, including a rostogol

wich is no drops at all

 

and that all of1k gold a hour from fluffy

 

and dont forget tankel takes or last bits of money for trying to 'fix' some things

 

 

so you tell me again how fighting can be a profit skill when you earn 1k gold per hour from fluffys

while you lose in that hour mostly more then 1k gold for expensives

 

and jeze i prefer be the bad evil stealing pker, then the egoistic alchemist who doesnt care about other people

[Scorpius]

Its ending in pointless swearing and flaming... neither of the sides can "win" this "contest". Just just like the Inside fight between PC and Consoles.

 

I can understand both sides but thats how it goes in real life too. Sometimes you dont get what you maybe deserve or what you think you deserve.

 

btw a good point for pk'ers would be if there was at least an NPC where there can sell the loot that they become from Fighting against each other. So it would be like the Alching PPL are selling their Bars and armors to Blacksmiths.

 

My professions lays on both of your sides (except that im not a pk'er ) so im just neutral in here. There are pros and contras still.. but that is why this game is still beta. its alot of fixing. Also thats why this topic started as a Suggestion. You dont have to end this in swearing and flaming each other how n00b you are. Thats the point that makes you a n00b.. I maybe dont play this long as you all do, but as you can understand i really have my thinkings about the Topic too.

 

There are no Jobs or something in here so im with the ppl that says everyone should earn something for what he is doing. But you should at least be so nice that you dont diss ppl that allready earn something for what they doing. be nice to each other!

 

We are dont supposed to go one straight way. We all decide for ourself what we doing and how we're doing it. So if one just wanna pose somewhere let him (btw im doing that too even with n00b stuff ). I hope you understand what i tryed to say. (and i hope i dont get flamed about that )

 

Greetings and have a nice day

 

Fabi

Edited July 4, 2006 by Fabi

[NitageR]

How many hours per day do you play EL ?

Not sit and talk.

Edited July 4, 2006 by NitageR

[the_voice]

Trainers

 

Need Sr's

Need He's

Need basic armor (wich degrade alot)

Need some diss rings,tele rings

Maby essence for teleport room

 

 

 

Pkers

 

Need alot Sr's

Need alot HE AE MAG,MA,SP,EN ess

Need advanced armor (wich degrade alot)

Need alot diss rings,tele rings

Rostogol

Atleast 2-3 super expensive items

 

Evryone uses Expensive items in Pk, wich means you have to use them also, including a rostogol

wich is no drops at all

 

and that all of1k gold a hour from fluffy

 

and dont forget tankel takes or last bits of money for trying to 'fix' some things

 

 

so you tell me again how fighting can be a profit skill when you earn 1k gold per hour from fluffys

while you lose in that hour mostly more then 1k gold for expensives

 

and jeze i prefer be the bad evil stealing pker, then the egoistic alchemist who doesnt care about other people

 

 

i might be not half as pro as you because you have teh knowledge at all but :

 

monster training

 

antisocials need srs

fighters use manas so about 400 gold for wine each fluffy session

he you can make 1k yourself and train some days with (cost 160 fps with decent alch lvl, flowers and silver for free)

basic armor , i never managed to poof a tit chain before i got a new one dropped so say cost 4.5k for one tit chain

diss, tele not needed for monster train

portal essies no longer needed, xp factory in imbroglio closed

 

so you have expenses of about 800 gc on a usual fluffy session and go home with about 3k gold and some nice

tit axe books worth 550 gc on npc and maybe some capes and other stuff.

 

i in personal covered all my costs on monster training just by dropped tit axe books. if you take anti to have 10 more picks be happy with them. im happy with the several 10k of gold i alone made out of books.

 

for pk i cant give you my point of view because i only visit pk maps on no drop days for some fun.

 

 

so dont tell fighters become poor from training. pkers might and pvp'ers should for sure.

[Jezebelle]

 

 

 

so you tell me again how fighting can be a profit skill when you earn 1k gold per hour from fluffys

while you lose in that hour mostly more then 1k gold for expensives

 

and jeze i prefer be the bad evil stealing pker, then the egoistic alchemist who doesnt care about other people

 

 

2 things here:

 

Fighting is NOT the only skill that has less rewarding in gold..summoning..same thing..magic..another thing..

 

perhaps..you should reconsidder and have another skill next to fighting.

I do not hear the summoners complain why they dont get shiny rewards for all their efford..neither do te Healers at beam..that..i may add....even heal you guys

 

Healers dont expect to be paid in cash..or items..they heal because they feel like it..to help and please others..Summoners summon..because they enjoy that skill, amuse (mostl of the time) other people....and to relax..after having doing alchemy for a long time..

 

Now..the fighters..what do they add to this World..oh wait..yes..they bring sorrow and grief to those who get lured into PK..or being attacked while training..and they bring us rare books..oh Glory!!

 

Now..the smart fighter..makes sure he has the right amount of friends around him who provide him with goodies like pots and essences..and the extra smart once..make sure they can supply themelves..now..for THOSE pkers..and fighters..i can bring on respect..coz they put an effort..

 

May this be a lesson for you..the World..rl or EL..does NOT only revolve around the amount of money you make..

 

Take the new Hydro mining for example..fighers will be needed to harvest them..heres your chance to get rich!! escort a harvester to the cave..and protect him..make him/her go 50/50..and you will wear that shiny armour in no time..

 

Jez

[Guest stalag]

One method is the bodyguard role;

 

Do you think i spend hours and hours in fluffy to become some Baby-sitting fighter of some annoying dude that wants get some book and BOB dosent let him