SenZon Report post Posted December 3, 2009 (edited) Well on channel 6 today few people asked me to make this. Learner bought 116 rostos from bots for the sole reason to increase prices on rostos even more from 30k to 50k+ So just dont trade with him http://www.eternal-lands.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=51763 No flames please. Few things that can be done to get old prices back (20-25k) [Player1 @ 6]: Don't clear invasions, simple enough #GM from Player2: Augs and ti longs is fine as well, just train on something a bit lower then you <Add ideas here> Pretty much just dont do things that involve losing rostos for a while Edited December 3, 2009 by SenZon Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
daiske1 Report post Posted December 3, 2009 kk senzon. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aislar Report post Posted December 3, 2009 agreed, no way i'm buying one of those from him. at least i beat him to belur and got one \m/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Quesar Report post Posted December 3, 2009 I am boycotting all of his bots, and will not trade with him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yaserhameed Report post Posted December 3, 2009 So just dont trade with him i do w/e u say mr :> Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nova Report post Posted December 3, 2009 50k for a rosto is nuts. In trying to make a point, Learner is taking a lot of enjoyment away from a lot of different kinds of players. I still haven't seen him clearly state what his point is either. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenial Report post Posted December 3, 2009 Naww... meanies! Learner's just trying to be cute... Is that such a crime? But yeah, wasn't planning to buy any rostos anyway *crack a mortar and pestle* Have fun Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aislar Report post Posted December 3, 2009 agreed nova. in making a point, i think he's going too far into this is in the 'physical' sense of making a point. meaning, if a player chooses to buy a rosto from learner (crazies) for 50kgc...even though the player may choose to do that, he's still fucking with their storage, because if he had NOT bought all of the rostos, this player would have paid 20k less. i think this is going too far in making a 'point', whatever the point is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chosen Report post Posted December 3, 2009 I'll just continue to buy mine from my usual source, this wont change anything.. Just means radu should make a little more $ whilst Learner is doing this. Glad I have a decent stock pile of rostogol stones anyways. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Learner Report post Posted December 3, 2009 Boycott me if you want. I only bought the Rosto's on bots that people were complaining were too expensive and wouldn't buy them! At the same time they were saying that bots control the market. Let me state this clearly .... I AM NOT A BOT ... and there are plenty of things you can do to bring the Rosto price down to where you want it! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenial Report post Posted December 3, 2009 Boycott me if you want. I only bought the Rosto's on bots that people were complaining were too expensive and wouldn't buy them! At the same time they were saying that bots control the market. Let me state this clearly .... I AM NOT A BOT ... and there are plenty of things you can do to bring the Rosto price down to where you want it! Who said bots control the market? ....Who controls the bots You've made some good entertainment Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chr0nik Report post Posted December 3, 2009 Right, so artificially inflating demand for rostogols at reasonable prices for every player in EL b/c of what some small minority of players say or do not say on the spam channel is a good thing how? Blah blah blah no one has to use rostogols or fight in expensive gear, right, we know. But risking death and fighting difficult mobs in instances & invasions is a very big part of what is fun in EL for many of us, and the reason we spend countless hours training a/d. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Starlite Report post Posted December 3, 2009 Bye Bye Newbies. Will drive even more people away Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanRothar Report post Posted December 3, 2009 I'll just say what I already said on @6: Go buy 2 rosts from the shop, sell them at 30k or less and no one will buy from Learner. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gohan Report post Posted December 3, 2009 Boycott me if you want. I only bought the Rosto's on bots that people were complaining were too expensive and wouldn't buy them! So basicly he bought only the rosto's that weren't going around from bots in the first place, the difference? BEFORE: You wouldn't buy them from bot X for 30k (or w/e they go for, I can't log in now). NOW: You wouldn't buy them from Learner for 50k. The difference? Is there a difference anyway, there are still people outside learner in EL who I guess will buy/sell some rostos at lower prices anyway. So instead of ignoring the overpriced bots you will now ignore the overpriced Learner, big deal. What is this thread about again? "Hey look guys, 10 bots we didn't buy from anyway changed into 1 Learner we won't buy from anyway, so nothing changed but the source where we could get these but weren't going to anyway, let's make a fuss about it." Right? Oh yea, the price you wouldn't pay before and the price you wouldn't pay now is 20k difference, big deal if you ain't willing to pay either and aren't gonna buy anyway. Really strong topic, thanks for my goodnight laugh of today. ^^ -Gohan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chr0nik Report post Posted December 3, 2009 Bye Bye Newbies. Will drive even more people away That doesn't make much sense to me. Newbies who find rostogols just sell them anyway, most likely, after they figure out what in the world they are. Higher prices are better for them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ProHibited Report post Posted December 3, 2009 The ability to buy and sell at prices of your desire is something you should not overrate. Once the game starts dictating prices, and players loose the possibility to buy and sell at their own rates, there is no longer an economy to speak of. Complaining about the free-market like in this thread is just stupid. Playing the market is also part of playing the game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hussam Report post Posted December 3, 2009 I think rostogols should be only 17k gcs each like they were last year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ateh Report post Posted December 3, 2009 yay for the free market, let the great crash of 2010 begin Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chr0nik Report post Posted December 4, 2009 Boycott me if you want. I only bought the Rosto's on bots that people were complaining were too expensive and wouldn't buy them! So basicly he bought only the rosto's that weren't going around from bots in the first place, the difference? BEFORE: You wouldn't buy them from bot X for 30k (or w/e they go for, I can't log in now). NOW: You wouldn't buy them from Learner for 50k. The difference? Is there a difference anyway, there are still people outside learner in EL who I guess will buy/sell some rostos at lower prices anyway. So instead of ignoring the overpriced bots you will now ignore the overpriced Learner, big deal. What is this thread about again? "Hey look guys, 10 bots we didn't buy from anyway changed into 1 Learner we won't buy from anyway, so nothing changed but the source where we could get these but weren't going to anyway, let's make a fuss about it." Right? Oh yea, the price you wouldn't pay before and the price you wouldn't pay now is 20k difference, big deal if you ain't willing to pay either and aren't gonna buy anyway. Really strong topic, thanks for my goodnight laugh of today. ^^ -Gohan With that many rosts on bots at 30k ish, if players needed them they were available. No one would hoard them at that price, but players have been buying them at 28-30+k as needed for some time now. The difference now is an artificial price increase of 20k if someone needs a rostogol, or they have to wait for a player to sell for less. More demand for rostogols at lower prices will drive up those "lower" prices as well. It's pretty simple, really. Really strong post though, thanks for the laugh. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hussam Report post Posted December 4, 2009 The economy in this game is seriously flawed. There is no cap to what prices can reach. Just because certain players can afford 50k rostogols, doesn't mean everyone can. It's the same with all overprices items. At this rate, a rostogol will eventually cost more than a Col. EL is a great game. why ruin it? Something has to be done NOW to get prices down to what they were last year. Players should stop the greed and fix the game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Elgoran Report post Posted December 4, 2009 Allright, i won't make many new friends with this, but i'd like to state my opinion on this matter. I personally support the idea of more expensive rostos. First off, it should be plain to see that learner as a player is entitled to try and monopolize a resource as everyone else is entitled to try and counter this. There doesn't even have to be a special aim behind this other than simple profit. If the price of rostos does rise though, i see a couple of positive effects this might have. 1. It might endow invasions and death in general with a bit of dread, which they imho should have. I've never taken part in any invasion in rl, yet i strongly believe it is something that makes people scream "Aaaaaahhh" instead of "Yay". 2. It might lead to people fighting without rosts, which in turn could lead to: 2.1. Reviving the "careful guy"-perk. I don't believe anyone took that with rostos at 20k. 2.2. Enforcing teamwork in invasions as well as normal fights. Diying next to a friend picking up your st00fz doesn't cost a dime. 2.3. Vitalization of the market due to equipment poofing. I consider decay an important factor in a (nearly) closed market with a constant number of consumers. I just read someone brought forth the argument that this might drive newbies away, this collides with my interpretation of the word "newbie" though. I'd say that most newbies, if they do, leave the first day or week they come here. Long before rosots even come into their focus. So, that's it. Looking forward to getting flamed to death yours truely, Elgoran. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ateh Report post Posted December 4, 2009 (edited) so loosing 20kgc or $5 a pop wasnt dreadful enough ? I get it thats a freaking excellent point in fact while were at it why dont we increase breakrates to like 1 in 2 chance of completely breaking every time you get hit ? thats really dreadful and would definately make people stop and think before even bothering to log into EL im seriously disapointed with this Rosto move , especially done by someone like Learner who I thought was more concerned about the game than is apparent by buying all rostos and raising the prices personally I cant really afford to be buying rostos with $$ so im unable to flood the game with them but tbh thats a fucking crass move if thats what this is all about *edit* and if the point was to make someone angry well im not really angry but I do think that you have abused your position in the game greatly by doing this. People obviously give you mass amounts of GC in return for your other game services and to use this and your obvious domination of the EL lottery to artificially raise prices is disgusting. Gratz. Edited December 4, 2009 by Ateh Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hussam Report post Posted December 4, 2009 2.1. Reviving the "careful guy"-perk. I don't believe anyone took that with rostos at 20k. No fighter will use 5 pickpoints to decrease chance of dropping items from 50 to 40% Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
korrode Report post Posted December 4, 2009 It was rare i'd do stuff that put me at significant risk of losing a rosto before, now it will be never. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites