When does '2' become 'double'

[eagleprince]

Recently, I went to the Naralik catacombs to train on armed orcs. I found Player X by the iron mine fighting one. I then went to the priest’s room and found one there. X shows up and tells me that he is training and I should not fight any of the armed orcs. He then tells me that he got there first, and ‘needs’ all the armed orcs in both the priest area and the iron mine. He then warned that I should go elsewhere otherwise he would PK me.

 

 

 

A similar incident occurred yesterday, as I was in Hurquin looking to train on armed females. As I approached one, player Y appeared and started fighting it. I left that and went into the inner area via the secret entrance. A few seconds later Y appears again and says she’s training on the female orcs, and she ‘needs’ both spawns. I explained that I was there to train on a female, and asked if she wanted to choose the one outside or inside. As far as I was concerned, she had agreed to stay with the orcs outside the secret area. I then thought that instead of two males walking around with nobody to play with while we argue over the females, I would try the males. I therefore offered that provided we look out for each other, I would settle for the males, and she could have both females. I was of the impression that we were both happy with this arrangement. A few minutes later, I noticed she disappeared. Thinking she died or something, I #ig’d her guild, only to find that she had reported me for ‘taking’ her spawn! I was shocked and quite disappointed with that, and told her so when she logged back on – her computer had crashed. However, I would like to point out that unlike X, Y was not impolite or aggressive towards me.

 

 

 

This brings me to the question:- At what point does a player become entitled to more than one spawn? How close do two separate spawns have to be, to become a ‘double’? Are there any ‘community rules’ regarding these spawns that I am unaware of?

 

 

 

I am particularly interested in the community’s opinion regarding the following multi-spawns as they seem to be at the centre of many inter-guild altercations:-

 

 

• Ogres in Melinis
  
• Ogres in CM
  
• Trolls in CM
  
• Armed orcs in EVTR
  
• Armed orcs in Naralik
  
• Arrmed orcs in Hurquin
  

 

EP

[Guest Beowulf]

Nobody owns a spawn, so if there are 2 spawns there feel free to take one as is your right. If they get in your face stand up to them - and if they cry ignore them.

[Looter]

the way i always saw it is that they are all yours if no one is there, if someone else shows up you have one each, thats how it works with alot of players because they show each other respect, however because there is no spawn rules you will always get the odd selfish type who wants them all to themselves ... annoying i know but there is nothing you can do about it

[Fourier]

Spawns are first come first serve.

 

If you come to a double that someone is training one, the best thing to do

is ask which one they want and take the other.

 

If its a triple, take one, leave them the other 2.

 

If there is more than one double or single, go to another one, leave

the double trainer alone (This happens ALOT in EP on the cycs. I train

a double and some one comes and takes one, even though other

singles are open and sometimes even the other double.)

 

In the end, 1 player 1 spawn.

 

Also, no one owns a spawn. Some players feel the need to be impolite

and hold onto their spawns. At this point you can decide to take it

or leave them alone and find another. There is no rule against this behavior,

but if you do it alot, players wont like you and you will have a harder time

in the game.

[Rockfall]

the way i always saw it is that they are all yours if no one is there, if someone else shows up you have one each, thats how it works with alot of players because they show each other respect, however because there is no spawn rules you will always get the odd selfish type who wants them all to themselves ... annoying i know but there is nothing you can do about it

 

I completely agree with this

[Mariws]

If there is a free spawn near the double one, the newcomer should take the single spawn. If the free spawn is occupied then the newcomer should talk to the one that's training at the double spawn, not take a spawn as granted (it's a bit rude). If the trainer is an "ass" take a spawn at your choice, and if it's a nice person he'll give up one for you! What i'm trying to say is : show a lil' respect to the one that was training there before you, and if you don't get any in return then feel free to take a spawn!

Edited April 17, 2007 by Mariws

[jamincollins]

The short answer is that no player can own a spawn. There will always be those that think they can/do.

 

I've seen players try to claim an entire area and all spawns in it. Players this rude find themselves quickly blacklisted and ignored.

 

I've never had a problem sharing any spawn I'm at with people arriving after me. Even if this means rotating in and out on a single spawn. Those players that believe they have some exclusive right to a spawn (or set of spawns) are just rude children.

[Marwen]

Nobody owns a spawn, so if there are 2 spawns there feel free to take one as is your right. If they get in your face stand up to them - and if they cry ignore them.

yes, nobody owns spawns, you can come and start serping my double if you want, and I can brod whole your guild if I find anyone in PK, serped your spawns, ... it is alowed too btw \o/ ... isnt better be polite and wait?

[eagleprince]

Nobody owns a spawn, so if there are 2 spawns there feel free to take one as is your right. If they get in your face stand up to them - and if they cry ignore them.

yes, nobody owns spawns, you can come and start serping my double if you want, and I can brod whole your guild if I find anyone in PK, serped your spawns, ... it is alowed too btw \o/ ... isnt better be polite and wait?

Hey Marwen, I may be wrong but I think you misunderstood me and/or Beowulf. Of course, it's always better to be polite and wait. What I want to know is what the limits of reasonability are - or should that be reasonableness?

 

I am not talking here about someone who brazenly jumps in and serps your spawn due to red tag or whatever excuse they may give. For example, in Nara, there is a bit of a walk from the iron to the priest. IMHO that represents two spawns, rather than a double spawn, and you cannot reasonably claim both spawns when there is someone else waiting. As for branching an entire guild because someone serped your spawn.... .. how would that make you better than him?

 

 

 

The purpose of this thread is to find what players deem acceptable...so I don't uninentionally upset anyone. I am a peace-loving person, but I am not a pacifist.

[majestyk]

Nobody owns a spawn, so if there are 2 spawns there feel free to take one as is your right. If they get in your face stand up to them - and if they cry ignore them.

yes, nobody owns spawns, you can come and start serping my double if you want, and I can brod whole your guild if I find anyone in PK, serped your spawns, ... it is alowed too btw \o/ ... isnt better be polite and wait?

 

If I get an empty double spawn, I am happy. If someone else comes in and wants to train, I offer one of the spawns. Isn't it better to be polite and offer one of your double spawns than to wait if you can make another enemy?

[Guest Beowulf]

Nobody owns a spawn, so if there are 2 spawns there feel free to take one as is your right. If they get in your face stand up to them - and if they cry ignore them.

yes, nobody owns spawns, you can come and start serping my double if you want, and I can brod whole your guild if I find anyone in PK, serped your spawns, ... it is alowed too btw \o/ ... isnt better be polite and wait?

 

If I get an empty double spawn, I am happy. If someone else comes in and wants to train, I offer one of the spawns. Isn't it better to be polite and offer one of your double spawns than to wait if you can make another enemy?

 

Yes politeness is important. I was saying that in relation to Player Y and X, not in general.

[Tanyia]

In my personal opinion as a player, the people who try to claim that they "own" spawns need to grow up. Especially if they are trying to claim sole "ownership" of a double/triple spawn. Talk about greedy! Sometimes there are not enough spawns for everyone (especially on good days like...well, I forgot the name of it, but the one that gives you 2x or 3x experience in a/d). So what do I think everyone should do? Learn to share!

 

I frequently share even a single spawn with someone, even if they come after me! In my opinion, being nice and spreading a trend of sharing is more important then getting a level a little faster.

 

But like I said, this is my personal opinion.

[Marwen]

If I get an empty double spawn, I am happy. If someone else comes in and wants to train, I offer one of the spawns. Isn't it better to be polite and offer one of your double spawns than to wait if you can make another enemy?

no, it isnt, everyone want find way how he can have most exp/hour, I can have most exp/hour in iri cave on double yetis (~430k/hour), so if I come there and anyone exping on both (or on one of them) I'll wait or go away, if I come and both are free, I'll start exp on both and I'll exp on both until I'll go out/die, if not I'll make something from list I wrote above.

And what spawn is double and what isnt ... as I said one spawn is all on what you can have most exp/hour, so I dont think its both spawn in hurquin crypt, bc they have fast respawn, but everything is possible, its long time I was there.

 

P.S.: its only game, I dont want be better than anyone here, I'm ebul player

P.S2.: in PK are still free spawns, or you can make it free

[hades]

As usually it depends. There are single spawns and there are double spawns, triple spawns and even a quad spawn.

 

Yeti cave is a very good example of double spawns.

Hulda is the perfect example of quad spawn.

 

You just need to wait, i sometimes wait patiently for yeti spawn over 2h, and now go tell a/d is the easiest skill on game bha...

 

True no one owns a spawn , also true if you are a spawn stealer expect to be branched, here it is the perfect utilization for the branch.

[Lorck]

True no one owns a spawn , also true if you are a spawn stealer expect to be branched, here it is the perfect utilization for the branch.

Or have the spawn serped back. I find funny the fuss of "my guildie serped your spawn, but you can't serp mine".

[masterpiter]

We need to take 1 more thing under consideration:

Respawn time

Ogres, flufffies and many other mobs have short respawn time(20-30 seconds) but when it comes to high lvl monsters like for example yeti or forest/mountain/arctic chims, respawn time is way bigger( 90 seconds even).

So if some creature got 90sec respawn time its obvious that no1 will train on single spawn(unless he is way 2 newb for that kind of monsters and gets cooldown all the time but that is not called training ).

 

If u train on fluff u dont need the 2nd one 2 get decent exp, if u train on yetis u need the 2nd one so u earn exp when the 1st one is dead and waiting 4 respawn

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About ogres:

There r 2 "schools" of training on them

1) U keep relatively low p/c ( ~p20c24) all the time and collect free pickpoints until u made enough a/d and oa to go to cyclopses/fluffies with tit long( u need a lot money for it and having low p/c urself makes it hard 2 earn gc fast).

2) U raise ur p/c as soon as u can which makes ur training very cheap and u can still get decent exp from double spawns but exp is getting sh!tty on a single ogre spawn(double/tripple ogre spawns often r taken so u have to find urself some pvp partner, w8 very long for good spawn or behave outlawish which can drive to some unpleasant things in the future, or u #reset and train with low p/c this time )

As always, the choice is urs

 

eMPi

[ZureKnightofDarkWorld]

2 spawns sometimes means 2 people can train on the monsters, but i agree with masterpiter, the spawn time is taken into consideration. It is hard to train if u wait 1-2 mins per spawn + you sometimes gotta hunt the s.o.b down. So it generally matters where how big the map is and spawn time.

[Vormavius]

This is based on "comunity rules" and good sense of the players. Sadly some people (fortunately few ones) ignore them.

 

Another annoying example, is when you come to a spawn, and someone is training there. You wait, and before the player left, he pm someone to take the spawn, ignoring the fact you are there.

 

This kind of problems usually happen on low-level creatures. The good thing is as you progress and get stronger monsters, you will have less problems.

[Lorck]

Another annoying example, is when you come to a spawn, and someone is training there. You wait, and before the player left, he pm someone to take the spawn, ignoring the fact you are there.

Yes, or when you are waiting for spawn, and someone bring ess/srs to the person who are training.

[conavar]

It all depends on the people training . some will share some wont

 

Take melinis ogre spawn for example : 3 ogres spawn in a small area and i have heard it said that its a max of 2 players training . lol seriously if you polite and all agree 3 players can quite easily train 1 spawn each no problem ( problem comes when ppl train on creatures below there level and kill them to quick and then they need the whole spawn to make it worth while )

[Aislinn]

We need to take 1 more thing under consideration:

Respawn time

I totally disagree here. That is part of the package of whatever creature you are training on. Just because you got spoiled with a fast fluffy respawn doesn't mean you are entitled to 2 yeti's all by yourself because it's respawn is longer.

 

In my opinion, common courtesy dictates that if you show up to a single spawn, you leave and look for another one if somebody is on it. If you go to a double and one person is on both, that person should give up one of them and you are within your rights to get one of them.

Etc for 3, 4...

 

If you are the one on the spawn and somebody comes, it isn't right to have somebody come restock you, or to claim a double or triple. That is just selfish and greedy and rude.

 

About somebody pming somebody to come get a spawn if they are going to leave and you have been there waiting: You don't know either if the person that got pm'd actually showed up before you did and the person offered to pm them when they were done.

 

Now all this said, it isn't LAW, and it isn't always going to happen because some people are just selfish and greedy and powerlevelers and nothing will ever change that

[kat]

EP, I have had the same problem when going to Hurquin anyway, to train. I don't know if it was with the same people or what, but, they'd always be very impolite and tell me to go find another spawn. In that case, i can't stand ppl like that, and b/c there is a spawn in IOTF i just go there, because no one is ever there.

[masterpiter]

We need to take 1 more thing under consideration:

Respawn time

I totally disagree here.

If you go to a double and one person is on both, that person should give up one of them and you are within your rights to get one of them.

 

It ur opinion, and u can act as u wish, however... try 2 test this on yetis if u have time.

Go to some double yeti spawn and begin to attack one of the yetis some1 else is training on. Im sure that person will hug u and make ur guild ally, i could be wrong of coz, since i have no idea about training on yetis

 

Sidenote: Aislinn, i still u 4 all the help u gave me and 4 all good things that u r doing 4 eL, dont be mad at me, or at least not 4 a long time

 

eMPi

[Tanyia]

I totally disagree here. That is part of the package of whatever creature you are training on. Just because you got spoiled with a fast fluffy respawn doesn't mean you are entitled to 2 yeti's all by yourself because it's respawn is longer.

 

I agree, respawn times are a (dis)advantage to the animal you choose to train on. Still need to share, IMO

[Lorck]

I totally disagree here. That is part of the package of whatever creature you are training on. Just because you got spoiled with a fast fluffy respawn doesn't mean you are entitled to 2 yeti's all by yourself because it's respawn is longer.

 

I agree, respawn times are a (dis)advantage to the animal you choose to train on. Still need to share, IMO

Like people choose to train in monster with 90 sec respawn... people use to train on them because that is the only monsters which give you reasonable exp. I tried to train in single spawns with massive respawn time, it was a massive waste of time.

 

What you do prefere, 2 people fighting monsters in an extremly boring way, or one fighting and having fun and the other afk waiting? I honestly think the second one is better.

Edited April 18, 2007 by Lorck