I attempted to discuss this further with LoGG due to Suncie's persistence in the matter (again only the location has been altered in the logs):
[13:24:22] #Ig [blackthorne->LoGG] Suncie seems to think there is some benefit to contact you about the bag situation... if any of you would like to discuss it I'm open to discussion
[13:25:03] #Ig [blackthorne->LoGG] however, since as I've stated your GM seems to have been involved in the taking of the bag I don't know how much benefit can come from this
[13:26:33] #Ig [Form:LoGG] I am not even sure what exactly happened. Suncie and I didnt know who's bag it was. And Sylv told me he didnt either and i tend to believe him.
[13:27:30] #Ig [blackthorne->LoGG] sylvester has been in the **** cave numerous times with either myself or insidious present... it would not have been a large leap to determine the
[13:28:00] #Ig [blackthorne->LoGG] location of one or more of our hyperbags in the area... we know the risks of using these bags and it's not the bag that is the problem
[13:28:42] #Ig [blackthorne->LoGG] it is the fact that we have helped watch over Sylvester's bags... regardless of whether he lays claim to them or not... we helped ensure they would be
[13:28:47] #Ig [blackthorne->LoGG] there when he returned
[13:29:27] #Ig [Form:LoGG] ive known Sylv for a long time and i cant imagine him being buddies with you and helping eachoher then stabbing you in the back.
[13:29:47] #Ig [blackthorne->LoGG] we did this by reseting the timers on the bag by dropping items into the bag... this was repaid with taking of a very large bag
[13:30:35] #Ig [blackthorne->LoGG] believe what you want... I don't accuse randomly... I do wish I had screenshots now to prove he was there... but I don't
[13:32:30] #Ig [Form:LoGG] i hope we can settle this somehow. We are not a gang of thieves, you know. I still cant see the whole thing clearly.
[13:33:41] #Ig [blackthorne->LoGG] as long as sylvester continues his hunts in areas he works next to people in I don't see that happening... and this isn't a personal thing...
[13:33:58] #Ig [blackthorne->LoGG] I just don't feel we can trust your guild with actions like this happening
[13:34:47] #Ig [blackthorne->LoGG] Sylvester was one of the first people our guild met in the **** mine... but claims to never have worked beside us... and he works beside insidious on a
[13:34:56] #Ig [blackthorne->LoGG] near daily basis...
[13:34:56] #Ig [suncie:LoGG] well you are accusing us - me of stealing
[13:35:11] #Ig [blackthorne->LoGG] did you or did you not assist in moving the bag?
[13:35:28] #Ig [blackthorne->LoGG] I know you were present as I saw you in the cave myself
[13:35:56] #Ig [suncie:LoGG] i did help him hauling it in
[13:36:14] #Ig [Form:LoGG] i was on the bag for about 5 minutes, he called me, i didnt even know what was really going on. Then i logged off since it was late.
[13:36:23] #Ig [Form:LoGG] so no, i didnt help.
[13:36:43] #Ig [blackthorne->LoGG] but you saw the bag and new it's size, this didn't raise any alarms for you?
[13:36:47] #Ig [suncie:LoGG] syl did not claim not working with you, he did not know that was your bag, point
[13:37:33] #Ig [blackthorne->LoGG] "I have never been working in the same area, neither have anyone from LoGG." that is directly from Sylvester
[13:38:06] #Ig [blackthorne->LoGG] that explicitly claims that he's never worked in the same area as us, nor has any LoGG member... it's a bold faced lie
[13:38:10] #Ig [suncie:LoGG] he was talking about the spesific area
[13:38:57] #Ig [suncie:LoGG] so you claims he was working in that spesific spot before?
[13:39:17] #Ig [blackthorne->LoGG] I claim that I was on the bag that was lost when he's been present in the **** mine, yes
[13:41:20] #Ig [blackthorne->LoGG] he also claims not to use hyperbags or more specifically "Since I have no bags, I have no idea what imaginary bags you could have helped me with BT."
[13:41:55] #Ig [blackthorne->LoGG] yet I've watched him use at least two in the **** mine... and he's stated to insidious that he's got a tool bag in the mine...
[13:42:05] #Ig [blackthorne->LoGG] yet more bold faced lies from him
[13:56:04] #Ig [suncie:LoGG] no comment ?
[13:56:58] #Ig [blackthorne->LoGG] on? I'm sorry I was disconnect and haven't seen anything since my last to you
[13:58:54] #Ig [blackthorne->LoGG] my guild mate passed on your message... it's not an opinion... sylvester admits to having taken the bag
[13:59:01] #Ig [suncie:LoGG] so this is all about you believe syl is a thied and now you have outlawed a complete guild?
[13:59:49] #Ig [blackthorne->LoGG] that is theft from my view... and he admits to it... the fact that multiple guild members were involved in it resulted in the whole guild being tagged
[14:00:20] #Ig [Form:LoGG] he admits taking the bag. And none of us denies sitting on it. But we didnt know who's it was. And he took a little amount compared to what it
[14:00:21] #Ig [blackthorne->LoGG] as I've stated numerous times... if only Sylvester had been involved, it would be against only Sylvester
[14:00:35] #Ig [Form:LoGG] was in it, AND he returned it.
[14:00:46] #Ig [blackthorne->LoGG] he moved the bag... that is taking the entire thing... he admits to that
[14:00:58] #Ig [suncie:LoGG] exactly, your view,so i still think this is a personal vendeta
[14:01:36] #Ig [blackthorne->LoGG] suncie you still aren't getting it... -AR- and many other guilds consider taking hyperbags as theft
[14:02:18] #Ig [blackthorne->LoGG] while it is nice that he did return the FE, it doesn't change the fact that he took it...
[14:02:19] #Ig [suncie:LoGG] take a look again at the pic that Nardo has posted
[14:03:03] #Ig [blackthorne->LoGG] what about it? our guild views are different... just because your guild condones taking of hyperbags doesn't mean other guilds don't see it as theft
[14:03:40] #Ig [suncie:LoGG] how come you dont mention it in the forum he has returned it
[14:04:18] #Ig [blackthorne->LoGG] I believe I do... right in my first post... complete chat logs including the trade
[14:04:43] #Ig [blackthorne->LoGG] [16:51:17] Sylvester wants to trade with you. Use the trade icon then click on him/her in order to accept the trade.
[14:04:51] #Ig [blackthorne->LoGG] [16:52:02] [PM to Sylvester: ty]
[14:05:35] #Ig [blackthorne->LoGG] that's immediately following the request for where to meet for the FE and GC... that's pretty clear to everyone
[14:05:49] #Ig [blackthorne->LoGG] have I ever denied that he returned the FE?
[14:10:30] #Ig [blackthorne->LoGG] so while only 10k of FE was hauled out of the mine, the entire 130k FE was moved from it's original spot, that's attempted theft of the entire bag
[14:10:59] #Ig [blackthorne->LoGG] and he admits to moving the bag: [16:54:18] [PM from Sylvester: took me 20 minutes just moving the bag a few steps]
[14:11:35] #Ig [blackthorne->LoGG] so are you (Suncie and Form) indicating that you had no part in the moving of the bag... only with the removal of 10k from it?
[14:11:48] [PM from Sylvester: hi]
[14:12:03] [PM to Sylvester: if you have something to say, do so in IG... not in PM]
[14:12:35] [PM from Sylvester: wrong]
[14:13:38] #Ig [blackthorne->LoGG] [PM from Sylvester: hi]
[14:13:40] [PM from Sylvester: this discussion doesnt have to involve all of my guild or all of yours]
[14:13:46] #Ig [blackthorne->LoGG] [PM to Sylvester: if you have something to say, do so in IG... not in PM]
[14:13:54] #Ig [blackthorne->LoGG] [PM from Sylvester: wrong]
[14:14:04] #Ig [blackthorne->LoGG] [PM from Sylvester: this discussion doesnt have to involve all of my guild or all of yours]
[14:15:27] [PM from Sylvester: thats very disturbing. If you want to make the discussion official, then share your logs please]
[14:15:36] [PM from Sylvester: dont spam out #ig]
[14:15:50] #Ig [blackthorne->LoGG] [PM from Sylvester: thats very disturbing. If you want to make the discussion official, then share your logs please]
[14:15:59] #Ig [blackthorne->LoGG] [PM from Sylvester: dont spam out #ig]
[14:16:24] #Ig [blackthorne->LoGG] I wish this discussion to remain open to all memebers of both guilds so there is no confusion on the matter
[14:16:46] #Ig [Katryel->LoGG] I for one would like to 'hear' it.
[14:17:22] #Ig [blackthorne->LoGG] no answer to my question (Suncie and Form)?
[14:17:44] [PM from Sylvester: how many members in your guild are involved in the discussion? Im sure that they dont have to see the messages instantly]
[14:18:00] #Ig [blackthorne->LoGG] [PM from Sylvester: how many members in your guild are involved in the discussion? Im sure that they dont have to see the messages instantly]
[14:18:26] #Ig [blackthorne->LoGG] I've my my request clear in both PM and IG, please refrain from attempting to PM me directly regarding this
[14:18:30] #Ig [suncie:LoGG] why should i? i have made myself clear have a clears consious hope so do you
[14:19:44] #Ig [blackthorne->LoGG] because I'm open to resolving this as I've told Nardo and hope I've made clear by discussing this here... it is my understanding that your involvement
[14:20:09] #Ig [blackthorne->LoGG] includes moving the bag... if that is not the case (which has not been contested to this point) then enlighten me
[14:21:40] [PM from Sylvester: we have heard too much of your voice. Please stop spamming our IG]
[14:21:54] #Ig [blackthorne->LoGG] [PM from Sylvester: we have heard too much of your voice. Please stop spamming our IG]
[14:22:13] #Ig [blackthorne->LoGG] I'll take this to mean that discussion are over... we are here if you wish to continue