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#21 sMooMs

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Posted 01 November 2006 - 07:40 AM

I always been told fluffy is 100/100 a/d and the OLD mountain chimeran wolf was 130 a/d so how can this one be 115/115 ? Oo

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Posted 01 November 2006 - 08:09 AM

Old mc was 110/110 only, i realised it long time ago when i made pvp with Nitager. He had 114 att lvl at that time and gave me more def exp than mc. Thats why i began 2 call him Mountain Nitageran ;)

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#23 smalul

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Posted 01 November 2006 - 12:37 PM

1. The rationality/3 has to be rounded down.

2. As promised, here are the results I got:
Creature - A/D
Boar - 20/20
Female Goblin - 32/35
Male Goblin - 28/25
Puma - 34/30
Skeleton (unarmed) - 33/28
Small Gargoyle - 30/30
Snow Leopard - 37/37
Tall Gargoyle - 36/36
Wingless Gargoyle - 34/34
Wolf - 26/20

* The A/D value are not the a/d you need to beat that creature, but in fact the creatures' A/D values.

3. This system works the same in pvp.

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Posted 06 November 2006 - 05:05 PM

Looks great, thanks for all the help guys. I've only got 20 mins t'ill dinner and would like to enjoy my internet a bit first (was down when I got back yesterday) and then I'll edit my first post tonight.

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#25 Gohan

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Posted 07 November 2006 - 11:49 PM

Ok, lol. Took me a day longer to actually edit the list. If anyone has an alt with small a/d suited for:

-Rabbit
-Rat
-Beaver
-Wood Sprite
-Brownie
-Leprechaun
-Small spider

I'd kinda like those for the list. Also some monsters more have to be added I think. I'll do a check-up on what info is lacking.

-Blee

P.S. C2 travelers. Please don't be shy to try your precious tigers, leopards and such and tell me their a/d aswell. :)

Edited by BleedingSoul, 07 November 2006 - 11:52 PM.


#26 JohnTheWarder

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Posted 08 November 2006 - 12:42 AM

Thanks Blee finaly no more useless spam on Channel 1 & 2 :)

#27 Gohan

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Posted 08 November 2006 - 12:48 AM

Thanks Blee finaly no more useless spam on Channel 1 & 2 :)


Partially correct. People will still ask for the a/d of.. But they can do so only once if you refer to this list. :)
But in the end, they'll still ask. :)

Btw, I put a note at the end of my first post. The reason why you *should* help me complete the list so I can give you a nice clean list on it. And maybe, very maybe, if I got A LOT of spare time. I might make a small database on it that you can scroll through. Including pictures off course. :)


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Edited by BleedingSoul, 08 November 2006 - 12:48 AM.


#28 WizzKidd

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Posted 08 November 2006 - 12:58 AM

I wrote this about a year ago, and it still applies:

http://www.el-iron.c...onsterstats.xls

There is a utility built into the spreadsheet to put your info and the experience a given monster gives. It then calculates the a/d levels of that monster. The formulas are perfect, but I have not run it since the monster stats have changed a few updates back..

Enjoy :)

#29 mufossa

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Posted 08 November 2006 - 01:17 AM

i stil think flufy is 100 a/d :)

actually radu cleared that up they are 95/95

#30 Requiem

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Posted 08 November 2006 - 01:28 AM

ok, i went on my noob and checked rabbit, beaver, rat, and brownie

i came up with:
rabbit:
attack=3
defence=5

rat:
attack=4
defence=5

beaver:
attack=6
defence=6

brownie:
attack=8
defence=8

hope it helps :)
although rabbit def seems abit high

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#31 Rockfall

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Posted 08 November 2006 - 01:35 AM


Thanks Blee finaly no more useless spam on Channel 1 & 2 :)


Partially correct. People will still ask for the a/d of.. But they can do so only once if you refer to this list. :)
But in the end, they'll still ask. :)

Btw, I put a note at the end of my first post. The reason why you *should* help me complete the list so I can give you a nice clean list on it. And maybe, very maybe, if I got A LOT of spare time. I might make a small database on it that you can scroll through. Including pictures off course. :)


-Blee


unfortunately the majority ask for recomended a/ds which differ to creature a/ds

anyway a really good idea going here!!!

#32 Puntif

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Posted 08 November 2006 - 02:26 AM

Here are my numbers so far:
beaver 6/6 (exp 9/9 with a/d/rat=4/4/4)
skunk 7/7 (exp 10/11 with a/d/rat=5/4/4)
raccoon 8/8 (exp 13/13 with a/d/rat=4/4/4)
deer 12/9 (exp 15/21 with a/d/rat=4/4/4)
fox 12/16 (exp 28/20 with a/d/rat=5/5/4)
brownie 8/8 (exp 14/14 with a/d/rat=3/3/4)
green snake 18/9 (exp 14/32 with a/d/rat=5/5/4)
wood sprite 10/30 (exp 54/14 with a/d/rat=8/8/8)
leprechaun 15/15 (exp 24/24 with a/d/rat=8/8/8)
imp 12/12 (exp 18/18 with a/d/rat=8/8/8)
brown snake 22/14 (exp 22/38 with a/d/rat=8/8/8)
boar 20/20 (exp 19/19 with a/d/rat=23/23/8)
wolf 26/20 (exp 20/32 with a/d/rat=23/23/10)
goblin 28/25 (exp 22/28 with a/d/rat=38/38/30)
skeleton 33/28 (exp 28/38 with a/d/rat=38/38/30)
large spider 30/30 (exp 32/32 with a/d/rat=38/38/30)
armed skeleton 40/35 (exp 40/50 with a/d/rat=39/39/28)
female armed goblin 32/35 (exp 40/34 with a/d/rat=39/39/28)
male armed goblin 36/40 (exp 50/43 with a/d/rat=40/39/30)
short gargoyle 30/30 (exp 30/30 with a/d/rat=39/39/28)
tall gargoyle 36/36 (exp 42/42 with a/d/rat=39/39/28)
wingless gargoyle 34/34 (exp 38/38 with a/d/rat=39/39/28)
female orc 50/30 (exp 30/70 with a/d/rat=39/39/28)
show leopard 37/37 (exp 44/45 with a/d/rat=40/39/30)
black panther 42/42 (exp 54/55 with a/d/rat=40/39/30)
feran 39/39 (exp 48/49 with a/d/rat=40/39/30)

If your a/d are too much higher than your opponent then the formula doesn't apply so you can't use it to check rabbits and rats. There appears to be a minimum attack exp and minimum def exp for each creature (your rationality bonus is applied to the minimum for attack but not for defense).

#33 RallosZek

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Posted 08 November 2006 - 11:42 AM

The minimum with rationality 20 is +13att, +4 def, so that would mean:
a minimum of 7 attack and 4 def.

I have a screenie of fighting troll with 51 att and being at minimum. This puts troll def at:
2x - 51 <= 0 <=> x <= 25

So basically we need some peeps within 25att and 50 att to try a troll :>

Tiger: 55/55 (exp 38/35 with a/d/rat=78/81/20)

Edited by RallosZek, 08 November 2006 - 12:44 PM.


#34 Gohan

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Posted 08 November 2006 - 12:40 PM

Puntif: great help, thanks. Putting those stats in the list right now.

Wizzkidd: I hope you don't mind if I put that little exp calculator in my list, I'll copy it from your file.

Ralloszek: Ok, I'll find someone.

-Blee

Edited by BleedingSoul, 08 November 2006 - 12:40 PM.


#35 smalul

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Posted 08 November 2006 - 01:38 PM

The minimum with rationality 20 is +13att, +4 def, so that would mean:
a minimum of 7 attack and 4 def.

I'm quite sure there are minimum attack and defense exp for different creatures. I've got the same a/d exp from foxes- 8/6 a/d exp. My rationality hasn't chanced, and it is 11, which means a bonus of 3 exp points. This means the minimum a/d exp from foxes (without the rationality bonus) should be 5/3. For rabbits, the minimum a/d exp I get is 8/3, for boars - 8/6, for skunks and brownies - 8/4, for deers and wood sprite - 8/5. So as you can see, there is a different minimum for different creatures.

So basically we need some peeps within 25att and 50 att to try a troll

I will try it (if I can find one), as my a/d is 43/46.

Puntif: great help, thanks. Putting those stats in the list right now.

Where can I see the complete list? Do you have your own site or something?

Edited by smalul, 09 November 2006 - 09:51 AM.


#36 Gohan

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Posted 08 November 2006 - 07:50 PM

Where can I see the complete list? Do you have your own site or something?


The list I got so far is on my first post in this topic, I'm making a good list in a file on my computer and I'll upload it when I'm done.

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#37 KarenRei

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Posted 08 November 2006 - 11:09 PM

Bears are missing, as are red snakes.
Imp A/D numbers (12/12) look funny. A boar (20/20) supposedly has almost twice the A/D as an imp?

Edited by KarenRei, 08 November 2006 - 11:10 PM.


#38 Roja

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Posted 08 November 2006 - 11:14 PM

Imps are low level monsters for newbies

#39 Gohan

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Posted 08 November 2006 - 11:23 PM

Bears are missing, as are red snakes.
Imp A/D numbers (12/12) look funny. A boar (20/20) supposedly has almost twice the A/D as an imp?


I know stuff is missing but I either need to be able to create a char suited to check the a/d or need help from someone else to get it. I'll check at a later time what is missing and post the list of 'Missing animals and monsters.'

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#40 smalul

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Posted 09 November 2006 - 09:58 AM

Imps and wood sprites were updated a few updates ago, making them much stronger - the Imps still have low a/d (it's in the minimum for me), but they do fire damage, which doesn't give defensive exp, and the wood sprites have had either their attack or defense raised a lot (in fact, at a/d of 43/46 I can get about 20 exp of def or att, don't remember which one, when fighting them).

I still haven't found a troll to fight against, but I'll keep trying (I think they are in SKF, but I got killed by ogres and cyclops).

Edited by smalul, 09 November 2006 - 09:59 AM.





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