Jump to content
Eternal Lands Official Forums
Ateh

Laws discussed in germany relating to violent video games

Recommended Posts

That's not new, but yeah, it's stupid.

It reminds me of Greece who banned ALL video games, AND the devices that come with them (so in theory even the cellphones) a few years ago. Fortunately, a judged told the government to fuck off, because the law is unconstitutional, but the ban was in effect for a few months.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Well, it has been discussed for a long time now and in my opinion it is simply stupid.

The politicians just want to show the people that they TRY to do something about those school shootings and forbidding computer games is a good way to get senior citizens' votes. It got that popular again because of the elections that were about to happen.

 

Although I'm almost sure that law won't be approved because it takes away a lot of jobs and it's simply no way to stop the shootings.

Every person that was running amok also ate bread, BAN BREAD!

 

For all germans:

http://ich.waehlepiraten.de/

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

#they agreed to forbid the production and distribution of all video games "where the main part is to realistically play the killing of people or other cruel or unhuman acts of violence against humans or manlike characters."#

 

i guess games with realistically killing of animals (other than monkeys that are manlike), removing their furs with a carving knife and pelting can be produced ! :pickaxe:

what about a terrorist camp kind of game where the main purpose is to create bombs, plan attacks that never happen. A flight simulator won't be allowed to simulate malfunctions and no more "faul button" for sport games? :D

 

even RL would be more fun to mess around with

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Isn't it germany that censors EVERYTHING? I remember seeing photos of them censoring a sword in an anime, censoring the blood in every game so it's black, and changing the entire cast of C&C Generals into cyborgs.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

yeh my first reaction was OK well they should ban the evening news then because that totally glorifies war but hey I suppose when your in power of government you get to decide which sort of extreme violence is acceptable for the serfs to partake in

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Well, that depends on *EVERYTHING*.

 

Do you think, it's okay for kids to play violent games?

 

Is that a society you want to live in, where violence is everywhere?

 

Keep in mind, that censorship in germany is related to the age of players too.

 

And i dont think, that 10 year old kids must play games where they can do chain saw massacres with real blood spluttering effects.

 

If your opinion is different, go to iraq and get shot.

 

Seriously.

 

Piper

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
And i dont think, that 10 year old kids must play games where they can do chain saw massacres with real blood spluttering effects.

 

I don't think anyone MUST play video games.

Either way, only a fascist government would dictate what its people are and are not allowed to do so long as it does not affect anyone else. And yes, US is a fascist nation as well (can't do drugs, minors can go to jail for havign sex with other minors, you need prescriptions to buy even relatively harmless medicine, and shit like that).

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

As i always say... Games TV and Movies always reflect what we are...

 

We can get violent from playing violent games?

 

No, games are violents coz that´s in human nature.. u see people killing people on the tv and say it´s horrible? Well that shit is only showing u what a human being is really capable of doing...

 

Violence in games tv and movies is just the refletion of the everyday human...

 

Don´t blame games for our shit world, start worrying less with "stupid" games and start worrying about real important stuff, like giving kids a real good education so they won´t go around blowing each other´s head off..

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
I don't think anyone MUST play video games.

Either way, only a fascist government would dictate what its people are and are not allowed to do so long as it does not affect anyone else. And yes, US is a fascist nation as well (can't do drugs, minors can go to jail for havign sex with other minors, you need prescriptions to buy even relatively harmless medicine, and shit like that).

You want underage kids having sex with each other to be legal?

Ok, jail is a bit rough on a kid but if you don't threaten kids, they won't learn. Exactly how hard is it to wait till you're 18 before having sex?

Also consider the consequences of underage sex in a community like the US where people think sharing audio/video media is ok, illegal software is ok, all because of "OMG! freedom". Are you telling us you're ok with 15 year old pregnant teenage girls running around? Underage sex isn't exercising freedom, it's plain ignorance and lack of proper education. Even if it doesn't affect you personally, it still harms your community.

I seriously doubt the US is a fscist country.

Edited by hussam

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
yeh my first reaction was OK well they should ban the evening news then because that totally glorifies war but hey I suppose when your in power of government you get to decide which sort of extreme violence is acceptable for the serfs to partake in

I was thinking morning and noon news also. They interrupt meal times AND glorify war. Ban CNN. Ban BBC also. Ban boxing and it's variants. Ban hockey. Ban bingo as it can result in fighting. Ban underage drinking in Germany. Ban the autobahn. Ban free thinking. (Is Hitler still around over there?) Ban German porn. The illegal copies circulating the internet aren't really great quality. Ban nukes in North Korea. Ban nukes everywhere. Ban space exploration. Folks are dying on earth.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Also consider the consequences of underage sex in a community like the US where people think sharing audio/video media is ok, illegal software is ok, all because of "OMG! freedom".
Either way, only a fascist government would dictate what its people are and are not allowed to do so long as it does not affect anyone else.

Radu said "does not affect anyone else", If person A records persons B+C having sex, then distributes it, person A is affecting the lives of persons B+C with their actions, so hence that would still be illegal.

 

If you're trying to use the argument "but everyone breaks those laws anyway", it's invalid, imagine the crazy laws we could have if that mentality was used as a basis.

 

I'm not saying that the production and display of sex videos that contain minors should be legal (or any kind of public display of minors in this fashion), just that legally punishing some experimenting 15 year olds doesn't help anyone.

 

if you don't threaten kids, they won't learn.

Threatening is the best method to educate? ;)

...maybe in KF xD

 

You want underage kids having sex with each other to be legal?

...

Are you telling us you're ok with 15 year old pregnant teenage girls running around? Underage sex isn't exercising freedom, it's plain ignorance and lack of proper education.

Exactly.

There's quite obvious physical signs when humans have commenced puberty, parents need to educate their kids the second these signs start to show. Governments should not raise children, parents should raise children.

 

If governments are going to start running our lives for us, where will it end?

 

If some parents do not want to discuss topics of a sexual nature with their kids (ever, let alone at the right time,) due to some archaic religious belief or tradition, well, who's fault is that.

 

Exactly how hard is it to wait till you're 18 before having sex?

People wait until they're 18 before having sex? :)

 

--------------------

 

EDIT: btw for anyone who completely disagrees with my sentiments, Australia is still mid-debate about whether or not we should have a compulsory internet content filter (china-style), with the list of blocked sites not publicly available for scrutiny. The reason the filter is suggested in the first place is under the "omg plz think of the childrens" umbrella.

 

If it goes through maybe we can get a deal to swap citizenships xD

Edited by Korrode

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Thats the dumbest fucking thing i have ever heard!

I don't know how it is in the rest of the world but here in Sweden there is an age limit on games so you have to be over 15 for some games and 18 for the more violent games with lots of blood and so on in em..

I have no idea why someone becomes a serial killer or start going beserk somewhere and so on but i do know that these things have been occuring a long time before videogames/TV/Radio/the ppl living on this earth now too and i wonder what they blamed then

 

You want underage kids having sex with each other to be legal?

 

Whats wrong with that? I can't see anything wrong with 2 teenagers having sex with each other as long as they are both in on it, who are we to say that they can't do shit before they turn 18, thats just dumb!

 

As Korrode said it's the lack of education in the subject that makes teenagers do mistakes and gets pregnant even tho they don't want to become just that and so on so get the schools to edjucate teenagers in how to have safe sex would be a good idea and the parants should also have a talk with their kids and tell em how important it is to protect themselfs If they are going to have sex to prevent them from getting pregnant or getting some STDs

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Whats wrong with that? I can't see anything wrong with 2 teenagers having sex with each other as long as they are both in on it, who are we to say that they can't do shit before they turn 18, thats just dumb!

You'll change your mind when you have a younger sister or your own daughter, at least I hope so.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
And yes, US is a fascist nation as well (can't do drugs, minors can go to jail for havign sex with other minors, you need prescriptions to buy even relatively harmless medicine, and shit like that).

 

fascism -n. a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.

 

In no way is the US a fascist nation. Maybe rural Arkansas where your local sheriff is in everyone's business. But to say the entire nation is fascist is a generalization and an over-simplification. Because you need a prescription for relatively harmless medicine? really?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

You can't really pick a few things and call the US a Facist nation ent ;/

 

iirsex minors can have sex with each other but non minors cant with minors :whistle:

 

edit- epic grammer fail

Edited by Kharn

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
yeh my first reaction was OK well they should ban the evening news then because that totally glorifies war but hey I suppose when your in power of government you get to decide which sort of extreme violence is acceptable for the serfs to partake in

I was thinking morning and noon news also. They interrupt meal times AND glorify war. Ban CNN. Ban BBC also. Ban boxing and it's variants. Ban hockey. Ban bingo as it can result in fighting. Ban underage drinking in Germany. Ban the autobahn. Ban free thinking. (Is Hitler still around over there?) Ban German porn. The illegal copies circulating the internet aren't really great quality. Ban nukes in North Korea. Ban nukes everywhere. Ban space exploration. Folks are dying on earth.

 

exactly pops ! Bingo should be next to go ! *starts www.banEvilBingo.com*

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
And yes, US is a fascist nation as well (can't do drugs, minors can go to jail for havign sex with other minors, you need prescriptions to buy even relatively harmless medicine, and shit like that).

 

fascism -n. a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.

 

 

http://www.prisonplanet.com/state-run-news...government.html

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Are you telling us you're ok with 15 year old pregnant teenage girls running around? Underage sex isn't exercising freedom, it's plain ignorance and lack of proper education.

 

Well, I think you're wrong on this one, teenage pregnancy is lack of education, just like Korr and Entris said...fck, maybe I live in a bit too liberal country by some standards, but I knew practically everything about safe sex by the time I was 13-14, even before I started to experiment, and I learned it in school...I mean, what's wrong with giving kids a bit more info about things that are 'important' in life?

 

Same thing is with video games/movies/tv shows/whatever...as long as they are aware that it's all fiction and it's not a way they should behave/act, I don't see a problem with some blood or violence in games (sure, there have to be certain age limits...but complete banning, I mean ffs?)...

 

just my 2 cents

 

Skod

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Well, I think you're wrong on this one, teenage pregnancy is lack of education, just like Korr and Entris said...fck, maybe I live in a bit too liberal country by some standards, but I knew practically everything about safe sex by the time I was 13-14, even before I started to experiment, and I learned it in school...I mean, what's wrong with giving kids a bit more info about things that are 'important' in life

 

Completely agree. Sex was taught in our class around the time we were all 11-12. Frankly, I would be pissed if nobody had really told me where babies come from before legal consenting age. It's much better to hear from someone like a teacher or parent than a friend.

 

Click here for a very controversial video on a related subject. Contains graphically explicit images; not recommended for youngsters.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
If some parents do not want to discuss topics of a sexual nature with their kids (ever, let alone at the right time,) due to some archaic religious belief or tradition, well, who's fault is that.

 

When I hit 13-14, I pretty much was on a mission to insert tab A into slot B. There is no reason to

teach your children a religious fear about sex, only to have then ignore it.

(Give them all kinds of sexual disfunction and hang-ups about it in the process, way to go)

Teach them raising children at the age of 15, sucks ass. So teach safe sex (IE no disease, no babies). Nature, obviously

thinks they are ready to reproduce, but our society is not designed to allow them to flourish in doing so.

(extended families don't exist, its every man for himself, mostly)

 

The best (tv) related thing on the topic to me, makes me laugh:

Penn & Teller's Bullshit

They are also great for determining other sources of humor and bullshit. :rolleyes:

 

Yes, USA is a fascist nation. Most Americans will flatly deny this, since they are so heavily under its propaganda system.

The people that deny this fact, love to immediately request their religious\personal belief system enforced...

(Political Science is a hobby\love of mine, and I am a native resident of the for-mentioned fascist country)

To prevent an epic post, I'll explain my point further if this thread deviates in that direction :/ lol

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
You want underage kids having sex with each other to be legal?

Of course I do. In fact, I don't understand how the government has the right to tell people who they are allowed to have sex with. Same thing with the fascist "you must be over 21 to drink" rules.

 

Exactly how hard is it to wait till you're 18 before having sex?

And who are you to mandate another human being what age they must be to do stuff? Are you God or something?

 

Are you telling us you're ok with 15 year old pregnant teenage girls running around?

That's not an ideal situation, but I hope you realize that there are ways to have sex and not get pregnant.

 

Underage sex isn't exercising freedom, it's plain ignorance and lack of proper education. Even if it doesn't affect you personally, it still harms your community.

What harms the community is that we have to pay taxes to support and 'protect' other people children.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
fascism -n. a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.

 

In no way is the US a fascist nation. Maybe rural Arkansas where your local sheriff is in everyone's business. But to say the entire nation is fascist is a generalization and an over-simplification. Because you need a prescription for relatively harmless medicine? really?

 

I am sorry to let you know, but US IS becoming a fascist nation.

Virtually every day I read about some new fascist shit happening here, from rampant police abuse, military people that kill civilians and get away with it, torture, secret documents, ilegally spying on citizens, and now this shit: http://www.contracostatimes.com/politics/ci_12589887

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Underage sex isn't exercising freedom, it's plain ignorance and lack of proper education. Even if it doesn't affect you personally, it still harms your community.

What harms the community is that we have to pay taxes to support and 'protect' other people children.

What about the american Welfare system? That's paid for out of our tax dollars too. If we have to pay before or after, I'd rather pay for the "prevention" than the "cure".

 

And most teens can be preached at ad nauseam about babies and the like, but most say "oh that won't happen to me, i'm too smart for that!!!111"

I can't really agree that either viewpoint here is totally right or totally wrong. Teens will be teens in so many ways (wanting sex, thinking pregnancy can't possibly happen to them, wanting to drink and "oh I know just fine how to drive while drunk!!!11 etc). Most teens can't be told they can learn something from their elders until it's too late.

Times are different now, teenagers are still kids on the inside for the most part, no matter how grownup they think they are. Kids should not be raising kids, yet kids have thet eternal faith that nothing bad will happen to them either and really don't have the life experience to know it sure can.

I don't like the government being so intrusive though either. But it is understandable why it's coming to this. Society is generally a mess right now.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now

×