Alternative to Banning

[SolarStar]

(I found an old topic from 2005 which mentions a prison but it's not what I have in mind. Therefore i made a new topic.)

 

I thought it would be a lot more fun for all players, if they were not just out of the game but in a prison !

It has a greater reference to reality too. Only moderators can give or take the Prisoner - perk.

EL already has some places with prisons. ( I think guild maps should be excluded so that everyone can visit them. )

 

Here is how the perk works :

 

Teleport rings have infinite cooldown, that means you can not use them to escape.

Magic is of course not allowed in prison.. (example: GP range arena)

#beam me will not work, the player will get some error message..

You are only allowed to chat in local, no PMs , maybe a restriction to one channel - the prison channel.

#suicide is possible, but as soon as they go out of the UW they spawn back in prison !

 

 

I want to know what you think. Is is possible to implement it ? Do you have additional ideas to it ?

 

Solar -

[hussam]

Make it so they can't talk in local or PM while they are in prison otherwise they would use this to log in and chat with their friends. They shouldn't also be able to #beam me, trade, use magic, rings or #suicide.

[Starlite]

Hehe Can we have a pillory and a basket of rotten tomatoes

[Learner]

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Think about the troublemakers & alts that just want attention, those still have to be banned. Would take extra work for the mods to decide who needs to be banned vs prison. You can't make the prison the default instead of banning or you'll have troublemakers coming in to cause trouble in the hopes that a mod accidentally bans someone that looks like an alt.

 

People will ALWAYS try to abuse anything!

[The_Piper]

And what would they do in prison and when will they be freed?

 

I like one of the older ideas, let them harvest 10k of something and they are free again.

 

Maybe nowadays, a cousin of Mesterul Manole can be there and they must harvest for him 10k sulfur to maintain GWIS or something like that.

 

Piper

[saxum]

I know it would take extra work but think of the possibilities:

1. You could put fruit and vegetables and dung outside jail - Archery practice!
2. Only give credit for time player is active - if player goes inactive time does not count
3. Require player to get friends to bring him/her food (bread only) or starve - let food level go down and down
4. Put some of the prisons really remote places - harder for friends to bring him food
5. Put player on some sort of work release program - he makes items for NPC and has to make so many before released and gets NO experience

Allow local chat only and limited number of PMs per hour.

[Raytray]

So... I have to leave my computer on for 10ish hours, maybe occasionally look at it to harv something. And whatever bad deed I did is erased?

[saxum]

So... I have to leave my computer on for 10ish hours, maybe occasionally look at it to harv something. And whatever bad deed I did is erased?

 

If you are talking about the cheaters and the others who ruin game for others? Yes. The idea is to teach them their actions can not just be waived away with some time away.

[SolarStar]

And what would they do in prison and when will they be freed?

 

Yes funny thing is, there is not much to do in a prison ! You can be in the UW or in prison. They are released after 2 weeks.. idk..

 

So... I have to leave my computer on for 10ish hours, maybe occasionally look at it to harv something. And whatever bad deed I did is erased?

 

The prison can never be a complete replacement for ban. Idk what ppl do but it can be pretty bad so i heard. I thought of some 'weaker cases' example: ruining a contest, spamming..

[Raytray]

I'd rather have a fine imposed rather than a jail. -> Jail == no fun == quit playing/start new char/etc. Newbies especially would be confused.

 

And fines have been used in the past in some way iirc. Warnings are typically used for weaker case unless they keep doing it, in which case imo a day, week ban is sufficient.

[Jeditotalwar]

Well a good idea.

But it we can't get lost with it - they got locked because they have broke a rule... It can't be in any way fun.

[learg]

Maybe they could harv in oldschool way? 1 harv per click? It would make them to be at comp all the time. If they would used macro -> permaban and that's all.

[psihokiller4]

yes I like the idea

1. radu wants a mob only for archery well we have it prisoners

and for get away from banned they must:

 

1. get (no harv exp) 10k/day sulphur harvest (not arch arena) to other spot trough road (archery arena)

so while they'll be moving archers will have to move so the'll hunting them for exp

 

 

if day that he was banned for passed he haas only 5k left to harv and bring there...

 

but until they manage to get 1 day pass they cannot get top next day pass

 

EXAMPLE:

banned for 5 days:

day 1 10k sulphur to harv (2k sulphur harved)

day 2 5k sulphur to harv (2k sulphur harved)

day 3 3k sulphur to harv (2999 sulphur harved)

day 4 1 sulphur to harv (3k sulphur harved)

day 5 10k sulphur to harv

(days to pay banned 4, 1 was payed away)

 

edit

 

if it's not clear

 

day 5 10k to harv (0 sulphur harved)

day 6 5k to harv (0 sulphur harved)

day 7 5k to harv (5k sulphur harved)

day 8 10k to harv (5001 sulphur harved)

day 9 4999 to harv I hope it's very clear

 

 

people usually don't understand me sorry

Edited April 24, 2011 by psihokiller4

[Lexi]

I love the archery idea! It would be cool to avenge a "bad" player.

[psihokiller4]

uhh I must not forget anything that's dropped it's instant poof

 

so there wouldn't be 1 on end just collecting from dead corpses

 

EDIT:

and maybe a NPC reward for each killed prisoner you would gain from npc some GC

Edited April 24, 2011 by psihokiller4

[LittleLooter]

Good idea, but people who do things wrong should still be banned, maybe instead of being PKable for misbeaving have this insted?

[bigkav]

I doubt this will be implemented. There's already the standard ban rules & command, which imo are more than satisfactory and work well.

[psihokiller4]

rules can change so can commands

 

but the point is Radu is searching for a range mob

and this seems to be perfect for target practice + this teaches players more how to behave than anything else

 

as the'll not only w8 till get un banned but they'll have to get sweating to get unbaned

 

EDIT:

Good idea, but people who do things wrong should still be banned, maybe instead of being PKable for misbeaving have this insted?

I still think people don't understand me

 

banned man could w8 30 years and he's still got 5 days to repay

4 days= 10k

1 day = 5k left if he doesn't do anything but just w8

 

so he doesn't need only to w8 but even sweat to get out of beeing banned

 

look it's pretty simple people don't get random banned as it seems so

people do something wrong knowingly or by accident and if little thing it's a usually warning as far as I know

 

so banned people are just those who really deserve to be banned

Edited April 25, 2011 by psihokiller4

[Entris]

I think this would only cause more problems then solutions and since it is working as it is now there is no need for this.

[Vanyel]

I somewhat find it wrong to shoot to prisoners >.>

[psihokiller4]

I think this would only cause more problems then solutions and since it is working as it is now there is no need for this.

what problems do you see?

[Entris]

First it would be an easy "punishment to avoid - As Raytray said log on and just AFK for a while and all done, if you need to harvest well AFK harvesting works too so not really a punishment.

As LRNR said the troublemakers that wants attention would just create a new char and let the first one AFK (or just don't care about it) and then run around causing more trouble with the new char if that's what they want so still not much of a punishment.

Or let the first char sit AFK while going to work/school/watching a movie and then log in on an alt playing the game with it = Not much of a punishment.

 

In the end if someone would keep causing trouble they would get banned from the game anyways this would just make the mods work alot longer in dealing with them and i don't think they need that.

[SolarStar]

Well a good idea.

But it we can't get lost with it - they got locked because they have broke a rule... It can't be in any way fun.

 

No we can make fun of them while we visit them

 

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As LRNR said the troublemakers that wants attention would just create a new char and let the first one AFK (or just don't care about it) and then run around causing more trouble with the new char if that's what they want so still not much of a punishment. Or let the first char sit AFK while going to work/school/watching a movie and then log in on an alt playing the game with it = Not much of a punishment.

 

In the end if someone would keep causing trouble they would get banned from the game anyways this would just make the mods work alot longer in dealing with them and i don't think they need that.

 

You can always play with a second character when it is banned or not ? So you give the player a chance to log in, he just can't do much but walk in his cell, suicide and chat with other prisoners; or visitors if they have any.. Harvesting gives xp, that is no punishment.

[The_Piper]

You can always play with a second character when it is banned or not ? So you give the player a chance to log in, he just can't do much but walk in his cell, suicide and chat with other prisoners; or visitors if they have any.. Harvesting gives xp, that is no punishment.

 

Well, let them get xp while harvesting, who cares.

 

The point is, a banned player is off, a player in a prison can still have limited contact with the community, even if it is shooting them at a snipers alley or chatting with them on the idiot's channel.

 

But that way they are not out of the community, and that might change their mind (hopefully). Well, if not, they still can be banned, but i guess, letting them being in game and doing some slavery work might teach them more a lesson than a time penalty.

 

Piper

[TuDaeFadda]

IMO this hinges on "Cruel and Unusual Punishment", and there really isn't any call for that. If a player breaks rules enough times and if the rule breakages are of enough magnitude to negatively impact the game, then they stand banned.

 

 

They waste your time, or sully the enjoyment you could have had with your time, you disbar them from interacting with you. You don't go out and try to enforce torture on them. An eye for an eye never works, especially if one of the contending sides is being assisted by the legal apparatus. Even in a game.

 

Plus the banning method works well, is no muss, no fuss and is even polite. We need to take no steps backward so far as civility is concerned.