Rasool Report post Posted November 28, 2008 I'm in a stage where i've started "ogres marathon". i want to know if there is any replacement of ogres for training? something which gives less exp but more drops or vise versa Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wizzy Report post Posted November 28, 2008 Bears are pretty good, good supply of meat, bones fur, and you can get some nice magic xp with them also Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Peach Report post Posted November 28, 2008 u cant train on bears till 85 def unlike training on ogres... stay on ogres is best, they are the ones who give the best drops and pro xp at the same time if ur 70s u can always try armed orcs but they are shit, ogres for life Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Affliction Report post Posted November 28, 2008 Just a thought.. but shouldnt there be a monster slightly stronger than a ogre that you could split that long haul on.. ive been on ogres forever.. seems ill still be on them for another.. 20 def lvl's.. i sometimes train on armed orcs or bears for a change.. but ogres are just the best i can train now.. i just wish we had something else.. or more spawns.. lol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rasool Report post Posted November 28, 2008 well, it seems that i'll be on them for at least 10 A/D lvl, but i will do some training on bears for a change some time for sure...Thanks all for help Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wizzy Report post Posted November 28, 2008 u cant train on bears till 85 def unlike training on ogres... stay on ogres is best, they are the ones who give the best drops and pro xp at the same timeif ur 70s u can always try armed orcs but they are shit, ogres for life O? Wanna bet Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fryslan Report post Posted November 28, 2008 Polar bears maybe.. but, Ogres are still the best.. if they are still a litle too strong than you should try polar bears I think. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
korrode Report post Posted November 29, 2008 (edited) polar is like 55/50 a/d, ogre is 70/50 ...maybe an 'ok' alternative, but not for inbetween ogre and clops/fluff. IIRC, the key reason armed orcs are not a good training option is their re-spawn time is significantly longer than ogres. lowering armed orc respawn, upping their health a bit and maybe slightly lowing their crit rate would do the trick... no? EDIT: (i realise that's now more of a suggestion to developers than informing players of an existing in-game alternative to ogres ) Edited November 29, 2008 by Korrode Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sonic Report post Posted November 29, 2008 You don't give your Stats or Attri anywhere so I don't know how you can expect people to help you to the best of their abilities but you could also try Cyclops(something that hasn't been mentioned yet). They are decent exp and lots of books and ti-long drops. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wynand Report post Posted November 29, 2008 (edited) Neg out and go Cyc. edit: oh or you can go train armed orces at EVTR PK caves or some other 'secret' place in Hurquin. There are like 4+ armed orcs at EVTR and 2 armed goblins so even if you use a sword you can get good exp. Then again it is PK, but risking a rosto is worth the extra exp. Edited November 29, 2008 by St_Arcane Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Affliction Report post Posted November 29, 2008 There are several places to train armed orcs.. c1 and c2. and the majority are not PK . btw. im in the same problem so ill post my stats.. i could care less if peeps know them or not.. maybe i can get some suggestions A/D 69/65 P/C 28/30 W/V 16/10 I have tried training cycs with a weak sword and i can do it.. but the amount of he's/sr's that i use is just ungodly.... im to the point i can take 200 he's and 60 sr's to melinis tripple spawn and stay for hours on end...... i usually leave with 10K+ gc's plus plenty of sword drops.. ..so.. on one hand i am tired of ogres and think i could get better experience elsewhere.. and on the other hand.. its very profitable for me to stay on ogres.. b/c of the amount of drops and gc's i get per load. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Miiks Report post Posted November 29, 2008 There are several places to train armed orcs.. c1 and c2. and the majority are not PK . btw. im in the same problem so ill post my stats.. i could care less if peeps know them or not.. maybe i can get some suggestions A/D 69/65 P/C 28/30 W/V 16/10 I have tried training cycs with a weak sword and i can do it.. but the amount of he's/sr's that i use is just ungodly.... im to the point i can take 200 he's and 60 sr's to melinis tripple spawn and stay for hours on end...... i usually leave with 10K+ gc's plus plenty of sword drops.. ..so.. on one hand i am tired of ogres and think i could get better experience elsewhere.. and on the other hand.. its very profitable for me to stay on ogres.. b/c of the amount of drops and gc's i get per load. Ogres, ogres, ogres, more ogres until u get def 68... Then TS down -8 lvls and ogres, ogres, ogres, more ogres until u get def 75... Then TS down -15 lvls and ogres, ogres, ogres, more ogres until you get def 95 and go train fluffs Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
robotbob Report post Posted November 29, 2008 My advice is to enjoy ogres and their drops now, you think training ogres is marathon-like, just wait for fluffs\feros. At that point you will be nostalgic for ogres again. If you are getting bored now, wait till a few levels require the same experience as 0-100ad. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eagleprince Report post Posted December 4, 2008 Ogres, ogres, ogres, more ogres until u get def 68... Then TS down -8 lvls and ogres, ogres, ogres, more ogres until u get def 75... Then TS down -15 lvls and ogres, ogres, ogres, more ogres until you get def 95 and go train fluffs Did anyone mention that you need luck to actually be able to TS down? I find the 'wastage' of potions ridiculous sometimes, especially since the effect lasts only a few minutes. Of course, it's ok if you have loads of gc, but what will you do when this silly side-effect of the potion is removed or changed? And don't say never....it's already been changed once. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dilly Report post Posted December 4, 2008 Ogres, ogres, ogres, more ogres until u get def 68... Then TS down -8 lvls and ogres, ogres, ogres, more ogres until u get def 75... Then TS down -15 lvls and ogres, ogres, ogres, more ogres until you get def 95 and go train fluffs Did anyone mention that you need luck to actually be able to TS down? I find the 'wastage' of potions ridiculous sometimes, especially since the effect lasts only a few minutes. Of course, it's ok if you have loads of gc, but what will you do when this silly side-effect of the potion is removed or changed? And don't say never....it's already been changed once. uhm.. you do realise that by not eating, you can make the TS last for as long as you want it to last right? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cruella Report post Posted December 4, 2008 My advice would be to occasionally stop training and go hunting. Just grab a good sword and go get mosters 1-2 classes higher than you train on. You'll have fun and exp as well. The game is supposed to be fun so "enjoy now and wait until it get worse" is not the best advice in my opinion Also remember that practically you can switch to higher level monsters 5-10 levels earlier that it is being commonly practiced at a cost of using much more resources (he's and sr's mostly). Also instead of staying on one creature by tsing, use all possible creatures along the road, so instead of ogres-fluffs, go ogres-armed orcs-cycs-fluffs, that is much more fun. I admit is is expensive way but it makes your game experience much more enjoyable. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eagleprince Report post Posted December 4, 2008 uhm.. you do realise that by not eating, you can make the TS last for as long as you want it to last right?What?? that is just....I don't know what to say. Well, you're right, I didn't know that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dilly Report post Posted December 4, 2008 uhm.. you do realise that by not eating, you can make the TS last for as long as you want it to last right?What?? that is just....I don't know what to say. Well, you're right, I didn't know that. just go on hungerstrike and keep your foodlevel negative. You'll find you'll be able to carry a lot more training supplies to your spawn too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MagpieLee Report post Posted December 4, 2008 I'm in a stage where i've started "ogres marathon". i want to know if there is any replacement of ogres for training? something which gives less exp but more drops or vise versa Lions. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Burn Report post Posted December 4, 2008 Lions? Much lower, spread out thinly over a single large map, and meat-bones-only drops. I don't think they'll work as a substitute. That's less experience per creature (much less since they're so spread out), and worse drops (better ways to get meat and bones, heh). Even combined with kicking leopards, black panthers, and pandas in KJ, the experience will be much lower, and none of those has good drops. There really isn't any other "good" way to level once you start the ogres. You'll spend a lot of time in various caves kicking them repeatedly... and dealing with the extreme number of spawn stealers and such that come with them due to so many people stuck on them and so few relative spawns. The long time on ogres makes people not-so-nice, or bright. (Now that I'm hitting clops and a handful of fluffies, I'm really not looking forward to feros since I've heard people are just as bad with them as with the ogre spots.) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MagpieLee Report post Posted December 4, 2008 GoodDay2Die: I think you've missed the point of the original post. I suppose I could quote it again but I'd rather not. Anyway, Lions are a decent alternative at least for me. They give me more att exp then def - that alone can make it worthwhile training on if I wanted to even up my a/d gap. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alberich Report post Posted December 4, 2008 Lions are a good alternative to polar bears and ogres (when you don't have to ts on them), they do less damage and break less. And what you loose on drops compared to ogres you win by less SRs/HEs usage and less broken armor. When I trained there was at least one double spawn, doubt this has changed even if it was a long time ago. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MagpieLee Report post Posted December 4, 2008 When I trained there was at least one double spawn, doubt this has changed even if it was a long time ago. tell me Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rasool Report post Posted December 14, 2008 GoodDay2Die: I think you've missed the point of the original post. I suppose I could quote it again but I'd rather not. in fact, not only do i look for altrnatives for A/D training in this range, but also i'm asking why there is such a gap at all. although there are many gaps like this in EL, like the gap in harvest exp between Tree Mushrooms and Turqoise compared to other harvestables... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites