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Isnt this a bit overpowered?

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I just wanna hear what you guys think about this? +25 def in 30 seconds? ;)

 

-Kaddy

 

P.S. i m not blaming ATH for this, just wanted to mention how OP sgoub was.

 

EDIT# sorry for the bad words in GM :> those guys are a bit nasteh :P

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Yeah but still %2.5 is too high coz it drops 1 minus every minute, and you take like 25-30 hits in a minute while fighting, not to mention 2vs1 or 3vs1's

 

-Kaddy

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He was lucky, the chance is only 2.5% per hit.

 

Considering how long fights last these days, and you can go straight back to KF when you die (and accumulate a large def lvl with this item from coming back and back) may I suggest that when a person dies, they lose all buffs from pots/special weps? Nothing unreasonable I'd say. Simple and effective.

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This is just why we need a de-buff spell.

Removes bonus from pots\spells\armors, and Magic Immunity.

 

Perhaps a perk required to cast it? The Vampire - can cast debuff spells

damage over time, etc.

 

(and that nightstalker perk for scouts\assassins ;))

 

Either way, however its implemented, its needed.

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Well fine, adjust the parameters so such a thing would only remove (or have a chance or removing) the boosting effects of certain armours, or even pots.

 

Of course it should have an uber high EMU or mana usage ;) so the rare armours don't become as 'weak' as the ordinary ones.

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Last time I suggested a spell to remove MI, people were up in arms..

 

Yep we did, btw his suggestion was all cool except MI removal thingie

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Ent posted whilst I was writing my epic post novel.

So you would like a buff removing spell that can bypass MI?

 

I would vote yes, knowing you would implement it well. Everything I

opposed or had doubts about in the past, that ended up implemented,

turned out to prove me wrong, even if only to myself. We will always

have the OH LaWdY NOES people, I know, I was one of them.

(NMT poll ehem :P )

 

Ok the epic snooze-fest I wrote is below ;)

----

 

Well I'm just suggesting that it require a specialty combat character.

 

Weak by itself, but sent in to de-buff, bringing more variety in group PvP Its the

same for scout type characters, weak, can see far,hard if not impossible to see.

mainly for warnings and determining enemy team strengths and so on.

 

MI remove could work as part of the debuff:

 

If every fighter could not cast it, requires pp commitments or weakens melee.

and fighters have real alternates to restore, whether its potions, or a new item.

 

I think the main reason for the panic regarding a MI removal spell, is

magic is tied to the strength of a fighter. Alternates to healing, being able to cast

buffs onto another player. (IE you lose MI, friend mage casts it on you, saving your

ass), and perhaps opening the need for healers in combat, and could be a step

to make range a part of pk.

 

yadda yadda. yeah overkill atm.

 

But without MI remove, it would be balancing at least to the buffs. Not a

spell every fighter(battlemage) could cast, so it would not make armors

like Ubber Def, instantly worthless. (I'm 50 manu, so those greaves are

cha ching time if you ever make them)

 

Don't get me wrong, EL still kicks ass regardless, probably why we

waste so much time suggesting things for it.

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I agree that SGoUD are overpowered. The following are some logs from last night in KF, where several (four or five I believe) 120+ a/ders (and a few lower level pkers) fought one player, who I believe is close to 130 a/d for about 10 minutes. I removed the names, don't want anyone flipping a shit because I revealed their ebul secret equipment. Cut out lots of #ig spam.

 

[22:12:30] PRO PKER #1 got mana depleted!

[22:12:34] PRO PKER #1 got healed a little because of his/her armor!

[22:12:34] PRO PKER #1: lol

[22:12:36] Pro Pker #2: ouch?

[22:12:43] Shujral: osomn ;o

[22:13:32] PRO PKER #1: stop fucking ranging

[22:13:32] CooLDyLaN is having drinks with the Reaper.

[22:14:08] Uber rich guy had his defense increased as a result of his/her armor!

[22:14:18] PRO PKER #1: oh lol another $$$ n00b

[22:14:19] The population count has decreased slightly with the assistance of Pro Pker #2

[22:14:25] PRO PKER #1 got healed a little because of his/her armor!

[22:14:41] Uber rich guy: well not my fault u cant afford

[22:14:54] Uber rich guy had his defense increased as a result of his/her armor!

[22:15:46] Uber rich guy had his defense increased as a result of his/her armor!

[22:15:55] Pro Pker #3: brb

[22:15:59] PRO PKER #1 got healed a little because of his/her armor!

[22:16:00] PRO PKER #1 got healed a little because of his/her armor!

[22:16:01] PRO PKER #1 got healed a little because of his/her armor!

[22:16:17] Ok, you are disengaged from combat, now run (err, walk away)!!!

[22:16:32] PRO PKER #1 got healed a little because of his/her armor!

[22:16:50] Uber rich guy had his defense increased as a result of his/her armor!

[22:16:54] You recovered 108 material points

Hourly time-stamp: log continued at 2009-02-11 22:17:21 localtime (Eastern Standard Time)

[22:17:27] Pro Pker #2 is now "Sleeping in light".

[22:17:28] [PM from Gossip: ...oooOOO Don't forget to get your harvest in! OOOooo... ]

[22:17:40] Pro Pker #3: ppl, use stuff w/ crit-hit bonus

[22:17:40] Uber rich guy had his defense increased as a result of his/her armor!

[22:17:41] Pro Pker #4 got mana burned by the Black Bear

[22:17:49] Pro Pker #3: her greaves make acc useless

[22:17:51] Pro Pker #5= PWNED lol roflol!!111~

[22:17:53] Pro Pker #3: use cutty/rapier

[22:18:02] Shujral: yes

[22:18:04] Shujral: rapier

[22:18:07] Shujral: high crit to hit

[22:18:11] Shujral: <3 Pro Pker #3 for teh lessons

[22:20:55] PRO PKER #1 got healed a little because of his/her armor!

[22:21:04] Uber rich guy had his defense increased as a result of his/her armor!

[22:21:10] Stivy got healed a little because of his/her armor!

[22:21:19] PRO PKER #1: rofl bye bye bronze

[22:21:20] Stivy got mana burned! Ouch!

[22:21:30] Shujral: lol @ 1 mill + inv

[22:21:33] Uber rich guy: osmon better?

[22:21:37] Uber rich guy had his defense increased as a result of his/her armor!

[22:21:42] Shujral: full icy, osomn, sgoud?

[22:21:48] Stivy got healed a little because of his/her armor!

[22:21:50] Stivy got healed a little because of his/her armor!

[22:21:51] shultZ: ubbers

[22:21:52] Pro Pker #6 got healed a little because of his/her armor!

[22:21:52] shultZ: ;)

[22:21:57] Pro Pker #6 got healed a little because of his/her armor!

[22:22:11] PRO PKER #1 got healed a little because of his/her armor!

[22:22:19] Shujral: omg

[22:22:20] Shujral: finally

[22:22:21] Suzuki has discovered the one ring to rule them all.

[22:22:21] Shujral: gratz

[22:22:28] Pro Pker #6 got healed a little because of his/her armor!

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lol was this fight in KF yesterday with tyrranis XD ?

 

and lol @ stop fcking ranging :whistle: i shall not range more D:

Edited by SenZon

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korrode is pr0 pker number 3

tyrannis is uber rich GIRL* :whistle:

sabbath is pr0 pker number 5

im pr0 RANGER number 4 :) ?

 

who is number 2 D: ?

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He was lucky, the chance is only 2.5% per hit.

As people already indicated, with KF as no drops when people die/diss they restock and return immediately... this may not be such an issue if dragon armors didn't give such a high armor bonus as people wouldn't be able to last as long in fights where they're getting hit regularly enough to make those greaves activate so much.

 

I think spell that removes all buffs is a bad idea.

(Everyone consider that such a spell would no doubt remove all your buffs... the acc/eva/coord/etc. potions u sunk over the last minute suddenly get their effects removed.)

 

Here's the ways i'd fix or help the situation in order of my preference:

  • Remove the Steel Greaves of Ubber Def from the game
  • Significantly reduce their activation chance (to say 0.5%)
  • Decrease the dragon armor's armor bonus to match Ti plate's (leave all the cold/heat/mag/etc. protections, still making them desirable armor) and reduce the scales needed in production by ~25-35%
  • Remove the accuracy and defense bonuses from the Rapier and increase it's damage to 30-35

my2cents

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[*]Remove the Steel Greaves of Ubber Def from the game

And what will you tell to people who paid 900k for them? i'm sorry ?

[*]Significantly reduce their activation chance (to say 0.5%)

Up up up.

[*]Remove the accuracy and defense bonuses from the Rapier and increase it's damage to 30-35

Who will use Orc Slayer then? Since rapier would do 5 less damage and would have +15 critical to damage ?

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SGoUD are pretty powerful, I remember a figh twith OMG and some one on a NDD way back when in WS arena.

 

OMG got 20~ SGoUD boosts in a matter of 1 fight, and was there fore unbeatable until the defense went away.

 

ws was cleared out and PK died from a pair of greaves adn one fight.

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[*]Remove the Steel Greaves of Ubber Def from the game

And what will you tell to people who paid 900k for them? i'm sorry ?

Fuck them, the game says "beta" dont it?

 

EDIT: or ,convert them to something they can sell and get some or all of their gc back.

"Steel Greaves of the Excavator" - Gives Excavator perk.

I'm sure a lot of people would want them, so they could use MM/FR/PS cape while harvesting.

 

[*]Remove the accuracy and defense bonuses from the Rapier and increase it's damage to 30-35

Who will use Orc Slayer then? Since rapier would do 5 less damage and would have +15 critical to damage ?

LOL, it has +15 to critical-to-hit.

Well what is the chance of rolling a crit-hit once it has the +15 applied to the natural bonus? Lets say it's 30% chance. (i'd say thats being generous.)

Everyone who can hit their opponent ~30%+ of the time with OS, will still use OS, cause 5 more damage.

Heaps of people will still use OS against a multitude of their oppnents, it'll still be a far more popular PK weapon than Rapier.

 

EDIT: The Rapier does have +5 to crit-dmg, that can go along with the def and acc bonuses.

Edited by Korrode

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I think spell that removes all buffs is a bad idea.

(Everyone consider that such a spell would no doubt remove all your buffs... the acc/eva/coord/etc. potions u sunk over the last minute suddenly get their effects removed.)

 

How about it increases the time in which they diminish? -3 per whatever

instead of the -1 Other games have a high level spell for it, one example from a

group PvP game:

Gravechill - "Single Target Dispel All Buffs"

requires Necromancy Skill ( 88 )

 

Why not EL too, if you want all your buffs protected, have someone kill the

debuffer fast? I don't mean, everyone and his cousin can cast it, specialty

profession thingy. Maybe fights wouldn't take 10 minutes anymore?

 

Here's the ways i'd fix or help the situation in order of my preference:
  • Remove the Steel Greaves of Ubber Def from the game
  • Significantly reduce their activation chance (to say 0.5%)
  • Decrease the dragon armor's armor bonus to match Ti plate's (leave all the cold/heat/mag/etc. protections, still making them desirable armor) and reduce the scales needed in production by ~25-35%
  • Remove the accuracy and defense bonuses from the Rapier and increase it's damage to 30-35

How in the world is this a solution to untouchable buffs? I think the ubber def

boost is just an example of buffs that cannot be thwarted by the enemy, ever.

Lowering its chance, or removing it, is skirting the real issue.

 

And perhaps Oh LaWdy dragon armors are too good is another topic.

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[*]Remove the Steel Greaves of Ubber Def from the game

And what will you tell to people who paid 900k for them? i'm sorry ?

Fuck them, the game says "beta" dont it?

 

EDIT: or ,convert them to something they can sell and get some or all of their gc back.

"Steel Greaves of the Excavator" - Gives Excavator perk.

I'm sure a lot of people would want them, so they could use MM/FR/PS cape while harvesting.

What about steel greaves of making Korrode PK-able ?

LOL, it has +15 to critical-to-hit.

Well what is the chance of rolling a crit-hit once it has the +15 applied to the natural bonus? Lets say it's 30% chance. (i'd say thats being generous.)

Everyone who can hit their opponent ~30%+ of the time with OS, will still use OS, cause 5 more damage.

Heaps of people will still use OS against a multitude of their oppnents, it'll still be a far more popular PK weapon than Rapier.

 

EDIT: The Rapier does have +5 to crit-dmg, that can go along with the def and acc bonuses.

My bad, misstype.

Yeah against opponents who you have 100% accuracy against.......so actually nothing that i would care about, i can useany great sword against them....otherwise rapier is better.

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I Agree Uber defenese greaves are waayyy over powered. Many ppl i fight even lower leveled then me can end up beating me with better armor + greaves. have you ever fought anyone using bronze sword + uber def greaves and ice drag set? they are fucking impossible to beat. all because they have $ to spend. cutlass isnt even used for PK anymore. it's so pointless to use one.. u hit around 10-16 dmg on ppl with js, 20s with orc slayers and 1-8 with cutlass on drag armors. HOW THE F$*K are you supposed to beat them? Attila is a perfect example of this. ubers, ice drag set, jsoc/osomn etc. this is supposed to be a game, not "lets see how i will spend my $ this week to exploit items in PK".... >.> cmon seriously.

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I Agree Uber defenese greaves are waayyy over powered. Many ppl i fight even lower leveled then me can end up beating me with better armor + greaves. have you ever fought anyone using bronze sword + uber def greaves and ice drag set? they are fucking impossible to beat. all because they have $ to spend. cutlass isnt even used for PK anymore. it's so pointless to use one.. u hit around 10-16 dmg on ppl with js, 20s with orc slayers and 1-8 with cutlass on drag armors. HOW THE F$*K are you supposed to beat them? Attila is a perfect example of this. ubers, ice drag set, jsoc/osomn etc. this is supposed to be a game, not "lets see how i will spend my $ this week to exploit items in PK".... >.> cmon seriously.

 

 

There are ways ^^

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One guild seems to be doing most of the complaining about them, they do not own any of them. Those that have worked hard and bought them would be penalized. I am often fighting a whole guild singlehanded too, if 5 or 6 people were not hitting on me at the same time they would not hit as often, one at a time please :whistle:

Anyways I like my Ubbers. They often do not hit but it makes your def lvl more random, PKing more entertaining. One can always pay a manufacturer to make some if they want. Do not know want the odds are but if they make enough and you sell the extras to an NPC you may get a set.

My two cents :)

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One guild seems to be doing most of the complaining about them, they do not own any of them. Those that have worked hard and bought them would be penalized. I am often fighting a whole guild singlehanded too, if 5 or 6 people were not hitting on me at the same time they would not hit as often, one at a time please :)

Anyways I like my Ubbers. They often do not hit but it makes your def lvl more random, PKing more entertaining. One can always pay a manufacturer to make some if they want. Do not know want the odds are but if they make enough and you sell the extras to an NPC you may get a set.

My two cents :)

To look over everything that was said, and just gloat about how well they work for you, just shows your ignorance and stupidity. RTFT! and PK more entertaining? lol you must have such a boring life to think that watching your def go threw the roof and not have any tactic but for your $$ to pk for you is sad.

 

There are ways ^^

 

We know.. :) midget mage :whistle:

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