A new Stance for HIM

[Infamous]

pk topics are soooo hot

[chaoogie]

as i said it wasnt a declration of war it was a statement letting those know that we will be pking guilds, war would invovle us attacking you on site which we havent done, also that is a list of NEUTRAL look it up. and kajjak was kicked from HIM because of his actions during pking. how about you get over yourself and ohh hif don was here

[NitageR]

ja i know just i will miss some partys :'(

[Lorck]

as i said it wasnt a declration of war it was a statement letting those know that we will be pking guilds

Ok, a guild was neutral with you, you said that guild is not neutral (nor friendly, allied or something of that matter) anymore, it means it became enemy?

Maybe you can say your definition of neutral to me... me and many other people tought you was making anyone outside that aforementioned guilds enemies.

 

and kajjak was kicked from HIM because of his actions during pking

very honorably i may say.

 

how about you get over yourself and ohh hif don was here

When he played, we played at different clock times so rarely i saw him in game when he was not afk.

I remember only calling him once to help me in pk.

But in the other way, its really kind of funny your "allied/friendly/neutral/wathever" selection.

[Shiva]

I think this can be interesting But I do feel sorry for anyone eho pk's me because I just keep coming back...and back..and back but it is all strategy..to bore others of killing me so much that I will be free to roam where I like

 

 

Have fun with it everyone

 

Sin

Edited May 16, 2006 by SineVe

[Bharain]

I think this can be interesting But I do feel sorry for anyone eho pk's me because I just keep coming back...and back..and back but it is all strategy..to bore others of killing me so much that I will be free to roam where I like

 

 

Have fun with it everyone

 

Sin

 

omg you read my book on PK Strategy??

[Suessie]

as i said it wasnt a declration of war it was a statement letting those know that we will be pking guilds, war would invovle us attacking you on site which we havent done, also that is a list of NEUTRAL look it up. and kajjak was kicked from HIM because of his actions during pking. how about you get over yourself and ohh hif don was here

 

So what is it then? Going in maps and kill your old friends? Oh wait...

 

At war you are allowed to kill your enemies but you said it isn't war so attacking all the others what is that?

[ohmygod]

as i said it wasnt a declration of war it was a statement letting those know that we will be pking guilds, war would invovle us attacking you on site which we havent done, also that is a list of NEUTRAL look it up. and kajjak was kicked from HIM because of his actions during pking. how about you get over yourself and ohh hif don was here

 

So what is it then? Going in maps and kill your old friends? Oh wait...

 

At war you are allowed to kill your enemies but you said it isn't war so attacking all the others what is that?

 

good point

 

.. oh yeah when fighting a member from a "listed guild" and one of your members helped him.. i asked WTF i got no response for many minutes..then a 'oh sorry'... too late if i had lost a hard earned rost... may be i shouldn't have replaced that rost for anthpologist after all

 

EDIT: AKA ohmygod

Edited May 16, 2006 by godwyn

[valo13]

as the creator and previous leader of HIM, b4 i quit while back, i would like to say one thing that is bothering me. DonP and I, well the whole guild at the time, worked with Don on a few things and had mutual respect. Yes i admit i do not know the current status of things, but out of respect, please do not use don as leverage. i know some of you remember heartagram13, im just asking please leave don out of this out of respect please. To everyone, was up people, still working on playing again... stupid graphics cards is being a bitch. hopefully see you soon.

[Lorck]

as the creator and previous leader of HIM, b4 i quit while back, i would like to say one thing that is bothering me. DonP and I, well the whole guild at the time, worked with Don on a few things and had mutual respect. Yes i admit i do not know the current status of things, but out of respect, please do not use don as leverage. i know some of you remember heartagram13, im just asking please leave don out of this out of respect please. To everyone, was up people, still working on playing again... stupid graphics cards is being a bitch. hopefully see you soon.

Ok, just to sort somethings out.

HIM was long time neutral with ^v^ and chaoogie says it is not neutral anymore and say the only way it would stay that way it would be if DonP was playing. Well DonP is not going to come back.

As far as i know chaoogie did not contact the guild via forums or otherwise to communicate about possible problems between the guilds. Since many guilds of that list is our enemies the only think i could imagine it was it was indeed an alliance with that guilds, therefore we becoming enemy.

It appeared really the only way we would not stay on their new pk intents was if we had really strong fighters like donpedro, smooms, and many others who weared our tag.

It is wrong? I still wanna know what that meant for the other guilds not listed (If they are not neutral or allied or friendly this means it is enemy?)...

PS:Oh, and i am rank 5, therefore i usually would be not allowed to discuss those issues, but that words (neutral, not war, etc) when i think it has not that meaning made my eyes rolling hard.

Edited May 16, 2006 by Lorck

[chaoogie]

as i said it wasnt a declration of war it was a statement letting those know that we will be pking guilds, war would invovle us attacking you on site which we havent done, also that is a list of NEUTRAL look it up. and kajjak was kicked from HIM because of his actions during pking. how about you get over yourself and ohh hif don was here

 

So what is it then? Going in maps and kill your old friends? Oh wait...

 

At war you are allowed to kill your enemies but you said it isn't war so attacking all the others what is that?

 

... ok i guess most of V doesnt comprehend that well..

 

War = Red tag = pk on site

Pking as we see fit = Orange = Pk if you want/ if they annoy you....

 

and no one in the guilds we are attacking i have any friends in cept maybe Joshyboy but he is more a cool guy than a friend. its late dont know exactly if there is any one else

 

 

as i said it wasnt a declration of war it was a statement letting those know that we will be pking guilds, war would invovle us attacking you on site which we havent done, also that is a list of NEUTRAL look it up. and kajjak was kicked from HIM because of his actions during pking. how about you get over yourself and ohh hif don was here

 

So what is it then? Going in maps and kill your old friends? Oh wait...

 

At war you are allowed to kill your enemies but you said it isn't war so attacking all the others what is that?

 

good point

 

.. oh yeah when fighting a member from a "listed guild" and one of your members helped him.. i asked WTF i got no response for many minutes..then a 'oh sorry'... too late if i had lost a hard earned rost... may be i shouldn't have replaced that rost for anthpologist after all

 

EDIT: AKA ohmygod

 

Sudoku :helped: monta although the previous time monta made you diss/tp or you died. and when sudoku did help monta you dissed and tele'd you died but to xanter/liquid. and it was not many minutes it was like 2-4 mins..if that is many i would hate to see you before new day comes around... well live n learn.. you guys took like 4 days to even decide to replace it, a few days before ulu killed anthro we were talking about pking people and as for your several RL DAY wait for replacing it, things were already set in motion

 

as the creator and previous leader of HIM, b4 i quit while back, i would like to say one thing that is bothering me. DonP and I, well the whole guild at the time, worked with Don on a few things and had mutual respect. Yes i admit i do not know the current status of things, but out of respect, please do not use don as leverage. i know some of you remember heartagram13, im just asking please leave don out of this out of respect please. To everyone, was up people, still working on playing again... stupid graphics cards is being a bitch. hopefully see you soon.

Ok, just to sort somethings out.

HIM was long time neutral with ^v^ and chaoogie says it is not neutral anymore and say the only way it would stay that way it would be if DonP was playing. Well DonP is not going to come back.

As far as i know chaoogie did not contact the guild via forums or otherwise to communicate about possible problems between the guilds. Since many guilds of that list is our enemies the only think i could imagine it was it was indeed an alliance with that guilds, therefore we becoming enemy.

It appeared really the only way we would not stay on their new pk intents was if we had really strong fighters like donpedro, smooms, and many others who weared our tag.

It is wrong? I still wanna know what that meant for the other guilds not listed (If they are not neutral or allied or friendly this means it is enemy?)...

PS:Oh, and i am rank 5, therefore i usually would be not allowed to discuss those issues, but that words (neutral, not war, etc) when i think it has not that meaning made my eyes rolling hard.

 

you missed the point about the don thing, asgnny was opposed to attacking any guilds because of friendships in different guilds, there were 2 occasions afaik where members discussed pking and each time asgnny said no to attacking V because he respected don and was a good friend...

 

as i mentioned before in a previous post i was one who was in favor of creating a 3rd faction to go against V+hc+edf?(not sure about that) Vs. Fubr + Cash + pl Vs. HIM, but as was discussed in gm, we are mainly a training non heavly pking guild so us jumping into that position was not a plausable path as most of the members arent well skilled with pking, other than the older playesr asgnny,sudoku, felkku anthro.... the rest of the guild is mainly trainers and rarely pk.

 

Of the guilds listed they are NEUTRAL, we have a few guilds as friendlys and allies, and the rest are pretty much PK IF YOU WANT policy that we have. AGAIN I STATE... IF WE DECLARED WAR ON ALL OTHER GUILDS THEY WOULD BE PK'D >>> ON SITE <<<..., but we did not declare war on anyone...hopefully this clears up some things that arent registering with your minds

[Lorck]

there were 2 occasions afaik where members discussed pking and each time asgnny said no to attacking V because he respected don and was a good friend...

Sorry, but it still sounds like an oppornity to attack us because we are weak now. And i think it *is* a coward behavior.

I never did anything wrong to HIM up to this time. I even tried to make peace when don and other leaders wanted war with HIM in the past. And you guys puts us in orange tag because there are a stuff about Ulu i dont even know about.

And i know "orange tag" usually means "attack when you are stronger".

And here there was no "2 classes of enemies", if you are an enemy you are attacked on sight. So, i will talk with the leaders of my guild, if war not comes i will leave and fight FUBR and CA$H (my old school enemies) and HIM alone.

Have a nice day.

EDIT:

Pro Epervier que era meu amigo até agora: me desculpa mas se eu te ver no jogo vou te atacar on sight.

Você sabe come me irrita falsidades e hipocrisia.

Só traem e atacam quando estamos fracos?

Quando somos fortes somos amigos, quando fracos podemos ser mortos...

Só querem atacar fracos? Então vou ficar forte e vou atacá-los.

Eu escrevi em português por que as pessoas que eu quero que leiam falam português.

De volta no jogo, mesmo com um ping bem alto e 4 fps...

Edited May 16, 2006 by Lorck

[chaoogie]

iono about you but in HIM it is pk if you want/ they annoy you.... most of are members are strong and just lack the skill and mind set to pk constantly... there are alot of people that HIM wanted to attack since we posted but each time there were Neutrals that were fighting them, and we are getting bullshit from neutrals about not helping... and again i stated we will not attack or help neutrals unless things change depening on their behaviour... time will dictate this.. the thing with sudoku was wrong yes, and was appologized a few times 2? ... and personally from the stuff i read on your forums and some things oyu have said on el forums you have talked shit about a few of the members... you might say things in jest but they can be precieved as insulting and rude :\

[Lorck]

iono about you but in HIM it is pk if you want/ they annoy you.... most of are members are strong and just lack the skill and mind set to pk constantly... there are alot of people that HIM wanted to attack since we posted but each time there were Neutrals that were fighting them, and we are getting bullshit from neutrals about not helping... and again i stated we will not attack or help neutrals unless things change depening on their behaviour... time will dictate this.. the thing with sudoku was wrong yes, and was appologized a few times 2? ... and personally from the stuff i read on your forums and some things oyu have said on el forums you have talked shit about a few of the members... you might say things in jest but they can be precieved as insulting and rude :\

I will say it again in case you dont got it for the first time.

I am pissed off with HIM, because after DonP, sMooMs and other left some people who never attacked and always respected us started to show their true faces (for instance in the same day they left a bunch of people in friendly guilds left, joined ca$h or *co* and insulted me, some for no reason). And in my opinion, your guild is one more example of this coward behavior.

When strong friendly, when weak enemy, i just cant stand this.

So most guilds who attacked us, even "sometimes" and "not on sight" happened to enter in our pk list. If this is different with HIM for whatever reason and will leave.

I can be weak, i can die, but (what i think it is) my honor will remain.

_______________________

I usually only "talk shit" about members when i think they are scammers (which is another think i cant stand) and char buyers. And i think they deserve it. And there are moderation, if you find i am being rude and otherwise insulting someone you can send a forum abuse.

I never received any pm or something from a moderator for being rude, if i do receive i will (even if i am not punished) stop posting on forums for a week in sign or respect

[roos]

I have a whole lot of respect for asgnny for remaining neutral for this long. How many other PK guilds have you seen which were neutral? Being neutral is damn hard. You know how many times we had to stand by while our friends got PK'd and we couldn't interfere because of neutrality? You have any idea how many times guildies said they weren't satisfied with PKing but we stayed neutral anyway? Then, you have any idea how painful it was to watch our guildies leave and go to other guilds because they had a more active PK life? I've been so depressed I almost quit EL twice.

 

So, we finally decide we're going to stop trying to make everone happy, and ourselves miserable, and start actually PKing like every other PK guild in EL. What's so wrong with that?

 

As for our decisions about who to align with, we did actually try to create a 3rd PK faction but we weren't able to get other guilds to buy into the idea, so that flopped. So then it was basically a question of picking sides. What can I say, even despite the recent tension between our guilds, we don't hate you guys, we simply have more friends on the other side. Sorry that's how it worked out :/ If this results in a war, that's unfortunate but I don't really know what I can do to change your minds..

 

Finally, to all the other people caught in the middle who aren't on our list, you should be warned that if we don't have some kidn of friendship with you, we might attack you, but we aren't going to suddenly start attacking our friends. For example Suessie, I would never attack you because I like eVe and I think Tigs is awesome. I wouldn't even attack ^v^, and that even extends to you, Lorck because iirc you are friends with stalag. That said, I'm loyal to my guildies so if a fight starts, I might join in if I can help.

 

Thanks.

Edited May 16, 2006 by roos

[Ruibinha]

Ow, god bless my and my guildmates soul.

 

Hmmm.. i have a question.. noob question, i know.. Pk in pk mapes is legal ofc, and "bj" on them is too. But u guys (from HIM, the ones that posted here) are going to BJ everything u can, or will retrieve it?

 

I know that u can pick the db after o pk in pk maps :x . But just want to be sure if, for some reason, i need to pass by any pk maps, i need to go only with my pijama (lol)

[Lorck]

You know how many times we had to stand by while our friends got PK'd and we couldn't interfere because of neutrality?

I watched some guildmates dieing fighting friends (who i made a "non-agressive pact"). Then i think i know how is this. Oh, and twice i got attacked by that supposed friends when fighting their guild mates. Of course that friendship did not resist that.

For sure, be betrayed is far worse.

 

So then it was basically a question of picking sides. What can I say, even despite the recent tension between our guilds, we don't hate you guys, we simply have more friends on the other side.

Or because the other side is stronger?

 

I wouldn't even attack ^v^, and that even extends to you, Lorck because iirc you are friends with stalag.

You dont need to not attack me because of stalag, he will perfectly understand.

Even if you dont, fluffies does not attack me and i still attack them. And now, because i strongly dislike your guild behavior i will attack you.

 

If this results in a war, that's unfortunate but I don't really know what I can do to change your minds..

Maybe it will not happen a war with ^v^ since the guild already has many enemies, and it is not wise to make now another war with a stronger guild.

But i think your guild is "not courageous" and only stay on the strong side. Since i think it is not acceptable if that happens i will fight HIM the solo way.

[Knuckles]

To be honest with you..

 

I'm against HIM on this one, weither I am on the list or not.. (FUBR) I think that everything that people have said in this thread regarding ^v^ and HIM is true, you guys would put ^v^ there if Don and sMooMs were still playing.. And you saying you would go against CA$H and PL? wtf? Lmfao.. Ya right, err nice one chaoo..

 

You've got Sudoku.. And the only person you fight with it is me.. I have never EVER seen you attack anyone above your stats.. Let alone help friends when there in combat.

 

I mean wtf you attacked me cause I killed someone in IRON, rofl..

 

Grow up please..

 

kthnxbye

 

- Edit : Bha.. How did he..? I don't see why really.. And I'm on that list why should he attack me?

- Edit : Lorck, your not above him.. I'm talking like him fighting dezm or MufossA.. Someone alot higher than him.. I've attacked scarr to prevent someone dieing.. I've attacked ZaeR to help a alliance.. I don't care, I'll fight whoever. Unlike him.

Edited May 17, 2006 by ManHunT

[Bharain]

I mean wtf you attacked me cause I killed someone in IRON, rofl..

 

Grow up please..

 

To be honest with you he had a better reason to attack you than you did to attack that IRON member ... and a smaller levels gap.

[Lorck]

Since it is no clear it would be a war because of this behavior i left the guild, and will do my best fighting alone.

You've got Sudoku.. And the only person you fight with it is me..

To be fair he fought me one day.

_______________

Now, it is my (hopefully, if nobody blatantly insult me) last post in this thread

Enki: you was an old friend, good luck now (probably you will not need).

Anthropo: we gave up bags back since when we was at gargs, and since i am noobier i died more and you recovered more bags to me. Lets see how our fight will be.

Asgnny: thanks for the hints some months back, i will use them wisely.

Epervier: i already sent a message to you, but lets see how our fight will be too.

Merrick: go go kill me.

Sudoku/chaoogie: sorry for calling you "shameless char buyer", cya in kf, btw.

CitizenKane: excelent time for revenge for the last time i attacked you while training.

[LadyWolf]

To be honest with you..

 

I'm against HIM on this one, weither I am on the list or not.. (FUBR) I think that everything that people have said in this thread regarding ^v^ and HIM is true, you guys would put ^v^ there if Don and sMooMs were still playing.. And you saying you would go against CA$H and PL? wtf? Lmfao.. Ya right, err nice one chaoo..

 

You've got Sudoku.. And the only person you fight with it is me.. I have never EVER seen you attack anyone above your stats.. Let alone help friends when there in combat.

 

I mean wtf you attacked me cause I killed someone in IRON, rofl..

 

Grow up please..

 

kthnxbye

 

He came in to help against Dezm a few times.

 

And as far as the against Ca$h & PL thing goes, it was discussed, because I was approached by Anthropologist about maybe having L&O side with HIM, and even talked to Xanter about it. As far as them not putting ^V^ on the list because sMooMs and DonPedro are gone, it's prolly true, but you see the best part of ^v^ is gone now. I still maintain the non agressive treaty Don and I struck up out of respect for my old guild, NOT because of who is there or not there.

[asgnny]

Firstly, the reason behind this new stance for HIM is in the interest of FUN, not hatred/revenge/greed/cowardice/etc.

 

As for the now infamous list of people we are restricting ourselves from attacking, it may change. Maybe today... or maybe never. This is an untried, alpha-test list, based primarily on long-lived EL friendships. The list is not set in stone.

 

There are many, many people who have been exceedingly nice to me throughout my EL career thus far. These are people against whom I could never instigate war. DonPedro is one of these people. Another who was always fair and honest was Smooms. Even in light of the criticism I'm now seeing, my views remain unchanged.

 

For those of you concerned that the ebul HIM guild is going to hunt you down... we're still comprised of the same people as before. We are opening the door to allow for more fighting, but this does not mean we are declaring war on everyone... especially our own friends who happen to not be on the aforementioned list.

 

Being chastised by the very same people who criticized HIM for not taking a stance in PK seems quite unfair.

 

Rather than spend time on these very forums in which I'd rather be playing EL, feel free to contact me in-game with any issues. I sincerely hope that everyone will just bear with us during this time of change, and not spam asinine remarks in response to our taking a leap forward in the name of fun.

 

Thanks for your understanding,

 

asgnny

[ohmygod]

I am new to ^V^ so things i post here are my opinion and should not even be considered ^v^ policy.

 

If someone attacks one of your guildes and win cause they "thought F*** it" what would happen?

 

Will there be any fall out for them at a later time for me with rest of your guild or will you and them laugh about it and move on untill the next time one of you got bored?

 

I think there would be consequences.

 

Lets be real to pk you need enemies. IMO more honurable to let them know they are enemies than to attack them when they least expect it.

 

People can then leave pk map and make decision what to do next if they know where they stand.

 

example: known enemy enters PK i get ready or leave based on what enemies i can see. When i can't see em cause they are "not at war" therefore not red tagged it is hard to make decision on what to do.

 

Oh and BTW when i "misclick" on Felkku when he was fighting a friend i felt so bad i offered him a rost even though he didn't lose one.

 

Edit1 : it happen again HIM assist FUBR (assgnny/Darklegacy1)

Edit2 : nothing personal but me and Darklegacy have been biffing it out for months i will attack him (not HIM) when ever i see him (not HIM).

Edit 3 : my last post on this ..im going to play EL

Godwyn aka ohmygod

Edited May 17, 2006 by godwyn

[Lorck]

I have said it was my last post, but i need to coment some stuff.

The list is not set in stone.

But chaoogie said the only way to ^v^ would be on list it was if DonP was still here. So for us it was indeed set in stone, and it appeared clearly that list was of *allieds* and not neutral or other bullshit.I cant comment how much i was upset with that..

 

Being chastised by the very same people who criticized HIM for not taking a stance in PK seems quite unfair.

Yeah, i was someone who said exactly this, how HIM was pacifist... but then again, i would just laugh and get over it if some coments from chaoogie did not sounded exactly like that *co*/ca$h pms i received that week.

And look again at that list, the only guild that i know it changed something was for ^v^, all the other pk guilds you already fought or appeared on the list.

So it is still looks like *a declaration of war*, and it sounded veiled with words like "not war" and not enemy. And *when* we are weak we got a classification bellow neutral, while the strong people still got their status.

As i said before, if you only want to fight weaker people i will get strong and attack you.

 

Lets be real to pk you need enemies. IMO more honurable to let them know they are enemies than to attack them when they least expect it.

 

People can then leave pk map and make decision what to do next if they know where they stand.

 

example: known enemy enters PK i get ready or leave based on what enemies i can see. When i can't see em cause they are "not at war" therefore not red tagged it is hard to make decision on what to do.

It was my point a while back.

If you wanna fight at least let them know it.

"Attack sometimes or not on sight" means attack when you are stronger, try to talk when you are weaker.

Everyone else who attacked ^v^ (even if sometimes) ended up in pk list. *If* it is different for HIM and for HIM only, i think its unfair with the bunch of guilds already in pk list.

To sum it up:

=> HIM was neutral for months (years?)

=> it changed WHEN we could not decently defend against them, it had lot of soft words to say something simple like "we will attack you if we can kill you, otherwise we will try to talk"

=> the only guild that was changed something was for us (and they dont tried to talk either)

=> all other person/guilds who showed similar behavior ended up with war

=>

Edit1 : it happen again HIM assist FUBR (assgnny/Darklegacy1)

Yeah neutral, right.

=> To be friendly while the other is strong and enemy while the other is weak is a sign of cowardice, at least where i live. Its like banks, they harass you to enter when you are rich and kick you from the door when you are poor.

For this reasons i want war with HIM. If my beloved guild cannot assist me in that because already fighting multiple enemies i fully understand. But i cant stand this and will fight alone if needed.

PS: i hope now it is my last coment :sigh:

EDIT: just to clarify my word "enemy": if you was "neutral" and you status dropped to "orange", and they say you can be attacked sometimes, i can only read enemy.

Edited May 17, 2006 by Lorck

[frostmourne]

ya i do, as i said up above i think, i was one person who wanted to make it 3guilds v 3 guilds v HIM + ally? but from those who i spoke to didnt want to create a 3rd party to fight the 2 sides that are in place atm, it was more fun before when guilds didnt actually have allys :\

 

edit : personally i would love to go against ca$h and pl as they are a dominate in kf a majority of the time and who doesnt like going against the big dogs once n a while lol

 

Join the V =hc= side then if u want fun now ure only making the other side more dominant and pk less fun