Soldus Report post Posted March 18, 2006 lol, so 5% of EL for 95% of the players that happen to be in that range? If they don't want an adventure then yes. Their loss. Exactly. What's the fun if you are shielded and protected all the time? We need conflict! That is what we have now, if they want adventure they can go to PK maps. No need to force anyone who likes all other skills and does not PK to let themselves get killed all over EL. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gen_Axis Report post Posted March 18, 2006 No need to force anyone who likes all other skills and does not PK to let themselves get killed all over EL. And there was need to force everyone who do not likes other skills and does PK to let themselves get bored to death all over EL ? Same to manuers/alchemist/potmakers while no-mix day, and harvesters while no-harvest day... C'mon it's one random day... you don't even have to play while that day... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Torg Report post Posted March 18, 2006 That is what we have now, if they want adventure they can go to PK maps. No need to force anyone who likes all other skills and does not PK to let themselves get killed all over EL. I guess that's why I'm really keen about the idea of OT. Should be awesome! Occasionally, I want to be put on my toes. I don't want to have to deliberatly go into a PK map and wait to get killed. Where exactly is the fun in that? Having to watch out, and having only a possibility of getting caught (depending on how well you can hide) sounds like a challenge and sounds fun. Shame I'm not going to be involved for a while even if it does get implemented. :-S Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr.Mind Report post Posted March 18, 2006 That is what we have now, if they want adventure they can go to PK maps. No need to force anyone who likes all other skills and does not PK to let themselves get killed all over EL. I guess that's why I'm really keen about the idea of OT. Should be awesome! Occasionally, I want to be put on my toes. I don't want to have to deliberatly go into a PK map and wait to get killed. Where exactly is the fun in that? Having to watch out, and having only a possibility of getting caught (depending on how well you can hide) sounds like a challenge and sounds fun. Shame I'm not going to be involved for a while even if it does get implemented. :-S If you are really interested in the excitement of being pkable, then ask to be pkable. No need to force other people into your fantasies. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Torg Report post Posted March 18, 2006 If you are really interested in the excitement of being pkable, then ask to be pkable. No need to force other people into your fantasies. That's valid, but if its just me running then I don't stand a chance and I don't think that's fun. If its 200 people running from 30, then lots stand a chance, and I would consider that fun. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr.Mind Report post Posted March 18, 2006 If you are really interested in the excitement of being pkable, then ask to be pkable. No need to force other people into your fantasies. That's valid, but if its just me running then I don't stand a chance and I don't think that's fun. If its 200 people running from 30, then lots stand a chance, and I would consider that fun. Then make Lord of the Flies day be a contest instead of a random day! This way everyone is happy. Those who want it can have it, and those who don't can ignore it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Soldus Report post Posted March 18, 2006 No need to force anyone who likes all other skills and does not PK to let themselves get killed all over EL. And there was need to force everyone who do not likes other skills and does PK to let themselves get bored to death all over EL ? NO! and i dont like that as it is either, i think the random days lack balancing. I know it's no fun to be forced to sit around doing nothing for 6 hours. (or to even log off and find other things to do) I strongly suggested making the "days" HOURS or, max days/nights (ie. 3 hours), and i still think that needs to be done. (for many reasons, not only because a few prefer logging off over doing something not fighting related.) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Infamous Report post Posted March 18, 2006 people think the high lvl'ed a/d players will chase around lower lvl'ed people at wsc docks.. don't you think those high lvl'ed have anything else to do? like kill enemy's they can't kill in pk maps cause they run all the time. so it won't just be killing lower lvl'ed, it would be kinda like a cat & mouse game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr.Mind Report post Posted March 18, 2006 people think the high lvl'ed a/d players will chase around lower lvl'ed people at wsc docks.. don't you think those high lvl'ed have anything else to do? like kill enemy's they can't kill in pk maps cause they run all the time. so it won't just be killing lower lvl'ed, it would be kinda like a cat & mouse game. No, I don't think that those high level players have anything else to do, and what you described here is exactly what happens on pk maps already. The only difference is that now pkers would have the freedom to chase people on maps that aren't designated for pk, which would put the entire game at a pause for 6 hours. When I was pkable, I logged out for a few hours if a pker got close enough to attack me. I am sure there are many others who do the same on this day. I am wondering. If you hate peace day so much, why aren't you petitioning to have it removed? That seems more logical to me. Of course, this could all be about the money you would make by being able to kill everyone anywhere. ^^^ well duh, somebody's clever It is not my fault that most of you are not smart enough to make money in any other way than by stealing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RolandR1 Report post Posted March 18, 2006 i wanna have this day because i want a day with a real big excitement and people able to kill me anywhere (except for IP) i don't get why you cant take 6 hours have a great day where you can just be cautioned with everything you do Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nyxl Report post Posted March 18, 2006 (edited) Other objection : I was logging on. I saw the message "pk-day" and before I could log off or quit, someone engaged me and pk'ed me. Is that fair ? Something like that happened during the invasion, the other day : hostile black panthers invaded Morcraven Marshes, I got killed, and then Lord_Vermor announced that the Invasion was reaching the place... A bit annoying... Until there is no sensible synchronization regarding those PK-events (or PK-days), I won't acknowledge that as game improvement. Edited March 18, 2006 by Nyxl Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RolandR1 Report post Posted March 18, 2006 well then there should be a 10 second warning like the you entered a pk map thing Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LadyWolf Report post Posted March 18, 2006 I thought only players with a+d>120 can be attacked. That's not the majority of EL I think. You are correct, if everyone that voted were to post their a/d then i bet you that most didn't fall into this category. I'm not a pk'er, like Gen_Axis, I am an allrounder. But why FORCE the pk'ers to distribute their pickpoints into other areas? You are all about not forcing people to do things, so how can this be a fair argument? Again, there can be safe zones at certain resources, such as the ores and flowers, the challenge would be getting to the safe zone. And I can tell you, most of the higher level pk'ers DON'T waste their time killing lower lvl fighters if they aren't in an enemy guild, so their really isn't much to worry about. The ones you see that attack players during training are generally not the big name fighters that you'd have to fear. Safe zones- Can be in towns (such as wsc), certain resources, and storages. the only risk you would have is getting from point a to point b. Hire one of the larger more respectable guilds, such as JusT, to escort you for a small fee. Or like when you were a noob and needed to traverse Grubani with no MM, RUN LIKE HELL. You should see how many people run into kf just to see how far they can make it across the map, me included. Ask Matess and Toomass how many times I've played that game with them in KF, I start at DP entrance and run across KF with nothing but a bone and a diss ring. I know when I was in CEL we used to have Gump runs where we wore only a fur hat and ran across the dangerous maps for the hell of it. This can be a fun idea if it's given a chance. I'm not into pk'ing all the time, I enjoy working on my other skills, and with my 69/78 a/d I would fall victim to lots if I ran into the wrong player, but I'm willing to take that chance, cause it will be fun. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Entropy Report post Posted March 18, 2006 OMFG, I would have never expected peoplemto object so much to this shit. First of all, I think there is some missunderstanding regarding this day. It will NOT force players to attack other players. It will give the players over a certain level the OPTION to attack other players over a certain level. For all of the: "Omfg I am just a peaceful harvester or whatever and some mean PKer killedx0r me!11!oneeleven". Get a social life. If people will be killing you it means they have no use for you, and they hate you. If a PKer buys stuff from you and your guild, most likely he or she will not just attack you like that, since they know there can be consequences, such as you and your guild not doing business with him/her and their guild. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LadyWolf Report post Posted March 18, 2006 (edited) OMFG, I would have never expected peoplemto object so much to this shit. First of all, I think there is some missunderstanding regarding this day. It will NOT force players to attack other players. It will give the players over a certain level the OPTION to attack other players over a certain level. For all of the: "Omfg I am just a peaceful harvester or whatever and some mean PKer killedx0r me!11!oneeleven". Get a social life. If people will be killing you it means they have no use for you, and they hate you. If a PKer buys stuff from you and your guild, most likely he or she will not just attack you like that, since they know there can be consequences, such as you and your guild not doing business with him/her and their guild. I think Ent hit the proverbial nail on the head with that statement Edited March 18, 2006 by LadyWolf Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nyxl Report post Posted March 18, 2006 (edited) OMFG, I would have never expected peoplemto object so much to this shit. First of all, I think there is some missunderstanding regarding this day. It will NOT force players to attack other players. It will give the players over a certain level the OPTION to attack other players over a certain level. For all of the: "Omfg I am just a peaceful harvester or whatever and some mean PKer killedx0r me!11!oneeleven". Get a social life. If people will be killing you it means they have no use for you, and they hate you. If a PKer buys stuff from you and your guild, most likely he or she will not just attack you like that, since they know there can be consequences, such as you and your guild not doing business with him/her and their guild. I think Ent hit the proverbial nail on the head with that statement When it comes to Player Killing, any topic will get hot. I'm surprised, Entropy, that you did not expect that, given the history of Eternal Lands community. I happen to have an interesting job that cost me 60 hours of time per week (40 hours plus the train journeys). I read an average of three books per week, most of the time in another language than my mother tongue. I have friends and real RP (not computer game, no, the good ole stuff with a table, a bunch of real good friends and, sometimes, dice) activities sometimes. I enjoy walking, writing stories or poetry, hitting on ladies when I'm too tired to behave, drinking new drinks and eating new food. I think I can tell I enjoy life with all the good & bad stuff it can bring. So when it comes to social life, well... Nevermind. By the way, I am a pacifist. And a rather stubborn one. Sorry. Edit : Just to make sure there's no misunderstanding. I wanted to point out with strength that one can defend a pacifist point of view without being an inarticulate idiot or an asocial geek. Edited March 18, 2006 by Nyxl Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flinto Report post Posted March 18, 2006 lol I voted no but my stats arent there yet but it wont be long On the flip side I used to mine iron in the NC north PK cave. Most of the time I would be left alone but occasionally some people would attack for the fun - no other reason (normally =HC= and ^V^ members but that is there game). Other times people I didn't even know would come to my rescue. Was it an annoyance - yes - Did I lose much - No, just a view pick axes. Would I play on this day - yes (even when I reach a+d>x whatever x is set to) Would I die - probably Would others protect me - I'd like to think so Would I change my plans for the day - yes, but then I do for all special days (except for the no knowledge day) Would I be able to find a quiet spot and be left alone - I expect so, we have two continents Andrew Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Entropy Report post Posted March 18, 2006 Well, I have a surprise for you. The new metals will be in PK maps, so you will have to do some PKing or have some alliances with others to protect you. Why? Because it adds to the game. Makes it more interesting, creating a whole new world of politics, bribery, protection fees and so on. FFS people, this is a game, not a life simulator. If someone PKs you, you won't die inside the Matrix. In EL, the body CAN live without the mind. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest stalag Report post Posted March 18, 2006 Makes it more interesting, creating a whole new world of politics, bribery, protection fees and so on. Finally a real new plot for the game! A Nicolau Maquiavel vision I'm with god! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RolandR1 Report post Posted March 19, 2006 The new metals will be in PK maps, so you will have to do some PKing or have some alliances with others to protect you. WOOT!!! and when is this update!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Arnieman Report post Posted March 19, 2006 (edited) I've got a better idea, since we obviously now want to cater to PKers, and let no one else have a say: Let's totally forget this idea; it's obviously less than what the game developer wants. How about instead, we just turn every map permanently PK - including IP and the Underworld. Then, with the total catering to PKers, we can remove Peace Day, just so no one has to hear the obscenities the PKers are hurtling at the developers for having a Peace day? We can also remove the No Drop Day; and Rostogal stones, just to fully finalize the groteque catering. That would be such a fun game then... Edited March 19, 2006 by Arnieman Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NitageR Report post Posted March 19, 2006 Great idea more drops!@#~~ lol... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Entropy Report post Posted March 19, 2006 I've got a better idea, since we obviously now want to cater to PKers, and let no one else have a say: Let's totally forget this idea; it's obviously less than what the game developer wants. How about instead, we just turn every map permanently PK - including IP and the Underworld. Then, with the total catering to PKers, we can remove Peace Day, just so no one has to hear the obscenities the PKers are hurtling at the developers for having a Peace day? We can also remove the No Drop Day; and Rostogal stones, just to fully finalize the groteque catering. That would be such a fun game then... You would be surprised on how many new player we'd get if we did that. UO was, at a point, pretty much like what you sarcastically suggest. When they turned it into a PK optional thing, a lot of players left. Those players would like a game where PKing everywhere is OK. Tibia, I think, has a similar system. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
epervier Report post Posted March 19, 2006 Yes this will make the game much more interesting for fighters (protection, fees, etc...) and for harvesters (dont isolate socially, economically, etc...). PK maps are empty most of times.... Oh and afk miners will be pretty much awake ô-ô. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vwpro Report post Posted March 19, 2006 yea, but in a game like EL it wouldnt work to make evrything pkble 24/7 cuz its not only a/d skill no1 would be able to make things if u keep get pked while mixing stuff at a storage Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
