Sure, I'll be on your buddy list,

[bkc56]

I've said "yes" to a few to many buddy-list requests over time. I'd like to drop off the radar of a few people now. Since it took my permission to be added to their list, I think there should be a way to remove myself from somone else's list (retract my permission).

 

The buddy-list window as an "add buddy" button at the bottom. I think there should be another button like "remove from list" or "cancel buddy" or "recall name" or something like that.

 

It would pop-up a dialog just like "add buddy" does where you can enter the name of a player who's list you want to be removed from. So you type in "bozo" and get one of two replies (beyond the "can't find player" message):

 

"You are not on the buddy-list for bozo"

"You have been removed from the buddy-list for bozo"

 

And the other player would get:

 

"bkc56 has removed their name from your buddy-list"

 

It just seems appropriate to be able to remove yourself from another's list if you want to.

[Derin]

The buddy list is personal, once you accept to be on a players buddy list, you no longer have control.

 

So the obvious advice is: be careful when allowing ppl to add you to their buddy lists.

 

There is also a command to auto-prevent (or allow) people to send requests to add you to their buddy lists:

#set_privacy on or off

[bkc56]

The buddy list is personal, once you accept to be on a players buddy list, you no longer have control.

Yup. That's why I'm suggesting an enhancement...

[Vanyel]

I agree with Derin, once you accept somebody's request you have to aware you can stay on his list forever.

I don't see any sensible reason to change it. Just be carefull accepting requests.

[scarr]

yeh if some1 accept you can see your enemys come online :\

[Mr.Mind]

Some people that have me on their buddy list are now on my ignore list. I am not sure if the buddy list changes according to that.

[Lachesis]

I neither understand Derin nor Vanyel here. In my eyes believing that you can make sure you don't entirely err about a person is simply naive.

[Aislinn]

It just seems appropriate to be able to remove yourself from another's list if you want to.

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Agreed.

[bkc56]

Just to follow up on my own thread a bit...

 

I try and be helpful to new players when ever I can. Because of my help, they will often want to add me to their buddy list. That would be fine for a while (in case they have more questions) but not for the life of the game. If I could remove my name from their list in a few weeks, then I'd accept. But since I have no control, I must (as politely as I can) decline their request.

 

This has happened several times in just the last few days.

 

It makes me look bad and leaves them without an easy way to ask me more questions (people seem reluctant to simply write a name down to remember it). I hate having to decline, but the lack of a removal command leaves me no choice.

[gilthanas]

this could help ppl who want to "dissappear" for awhile

Edited October 18, 2005 by gilthanas

[Sildegaar]

Agree with Bkc56. I had the same problem: I added a noob to my list because he sent me a request after I helped him and I knew he would need more help. Now I'm on his list but I don't know how bad he could turn.

 

Plus, I don't want to have a 10-kilometer long list. I'd like to be able to remove people.

[Minardus]

I don't really care if I am on anyone's list, but I DO want to have control over my own list.

I want to be able to erase someone from MY buddylist.

[molime]

I don't really care if I am on anyone's list, but I DO want to have control over my own list.

I want to be able to erase someone from MY buddylist.

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But *that* is just possible with #del_buddy <name>. I'd like to be able to 'block' others that have me on their list as well though. All messengerprograms I know have options like that and it's kinda similar.

[Vanyel]

Buddy list is not messenger list - it wasn't implemented to make EL another e-connector with extra graphic.

But... taking that it shall works like this - there is not way to remove your name from other's list in messengers. There are options like say invisible, not connected, etc. - but none program gives you way to remove you from others' lists.

Once again - no-no to such possibility.

[Arnieman]

Slidegaar, Minardus - you have the control of your list - you can remove their name from your list (#del_buddy). However, YOU are still trapped on their list

 

Vanyel - For the very reason you mentioned is why I support having this option to remove yourself from another's list - This isn't just another "messenger" with graphics - there's real interaction.

 

Scenario: One day two people are friends, tomorrow they're enemies.

 

In a messenger: One blocks the other, no further communication, generally ends there.

 

With the buddy list: One ignores the other, other still knows when the first comes on, PMs a few buddies in PK maps, other hunts down and slaughters one - and possibly goes to IP to follow him around and harass him.

Edited October 19, 2005 by Arnieman

[Ember]

I agree but what about something like this but I think also::

 

when you remove a person from your list it also auto removes you from theres (ie no point in you being on there list if you dont want them on yours//unless you let them add you with out adding them//)

 

An other think thou is my buddy list got filled up way to fast (didnt know the limit was so low only had maybe 20 people?) I would like to see more room on it!!

 

And some of the names on there where new players who played a few days and stoped I would like to remove them but they dont log in because they have stoped playing so i would also like to see a list of names that are on my list twards the bottom in grey maybe to show offline with the option to delete them still.

 

And possably have a window'd buddy list with a build in guild list where you can tab between the two that way if you log in and #gm hihi you can look and see if yyour talking to yourself or not if you get no replie.

[LadyWolf]

but none program gives you way to remove you from others' lists.

Once again - no-no to such possibility.

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that you are wrong about vanyel..there are programs you can run for msn and yahoo messengers that will wipe your name from someone eles buddy list. i use it all the time when i decide i no longer want someone to contact me.

[ttlanhil]

since we're going into the IM setups and all... I'll detail what they have that we can use

reverse lists: see who has added you to their list (interesting to see, and important for later parts)

offline lists (sure, you can remove buddies while they're not online... if you don't know their nick, that aint gonna work too well though)

blocked lists: people who don't get to see your status/message you (we can split that into two parts. but if you can't remove your name from someone elses' list, then maybe we can instead block them being able to see you)

allow from all/friends only: if they're not on your list (optionally an extra 'allowed' list, but we don't need that) they can't see your status. privacy_on could do that (allow people on your list to see you're online, anyone not on your list can't see you) as an extra option

status: away/busy/etc. currently AFK is client-side only... no reason the server can't be made aware of this, and apply it to other peoples' buddy lists(and the client is still responsible for saving messages, and sending an "i'm afk" message)

notify/don't notify: whether the client tells you when the person goes on/offline, or changes status(some clients allow that): I know we have buddy notification(I wrote it, after all), but that's an all-or-nothing sorta thing. you could have it so that normally you don't get online/offline notifications, but when certain marked entries go on/offline, then you do get it (yes, this could be done with a simple colour check in existing code, but colour is useful for other things)

groups: you can organise your list into groups, like "guildies"(though being able to add entire guilds, and have them show up as a group would be better), "enemies"(well, some people will have it so both sides agree to fight, in that case they'd allow each other to add to list), friends, business(your alchemy hookup, and your usualy crafting customers, for example), etc

[TheDoctor]

On a slightly related note about "dropping off someone's radar" and trying to get away from someone on your list, I would like it that if you have someone on #ignore, it will give them the message "No player with such name!" or something. This is because when I ignore someone, I don't want them to know I am on, then they get on another character, try to talk to me, I ignore them again, untill finally they give up. Also, if I have someone ignored there is no way for them to know that, it looks as if their PM is going through.

 

I understand this might be difficult because the #ignore list is client side so it would have to send another message to the server, maybe it could log your #ignores server side though like the way it logs the buddy list thre.

[Minardus]

But *that* is just possible with #del_buddy <name>. I'd like to be able to 'block' others that have me on their list as well though. All messengerprograms I know have options like that and it's kinda similar.

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OK, thanks. I didn't know that!

How could I know that, anyway??

 

I mean, when I click the buddy icon all I see is the list of buddies online and an option to add a buddy.

Isn't it easier to include an option for removing a buddy as well??? (just a suggestion)

[Aislinn]

OK, thanks. I didn't know that!

How could I know that, anyway??

 

I mean, when I click the buddy icon all I see is the list of buddies online and an option to add a buddy.

Isn't it easier to include an option for removing a buddy as well??? (just a suggestion)

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Click on the ? icon at the bottom of your screen. That is your help window. Then click on "Text Commands". (you'll find buddy list commands at the top of page 2).

 

While you are at it, you might want to look through all of that. There is a LOT of helpful information in there.

[Arnieman]

I mean, when I click the buddy icon all I see is the list of buddies online and an option to add a buddy.

Isn't it easier to include an option for removing a buddy as well??? (just a suggestion)

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There's that too - when a buddy on your list is on, right-click the name on your list - you can change their color on your buddy list (I've set the few members of my guild on my list to blue), or even click a button to delete that name from your list.

 

Just try playing around with the features a bit. (That's my way of learning - I have to learn to protect me from me...)

[ttlanhil]

Click on the ? icon at the bottom of your screen.  That is your help window.  Then click on "Text Commands".  (you'll find buddy list commands at the top of page 2).

 

While you are at it, you might want to look through all of that.  There is a LOT of helpful information in there.

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while it's true, requiring people to use text commands is not the best option, especially if we can delete online people on out list through a GUI

besides... it's near useless

why would you want to remove someone offline? well, I wanted to because I filled my list up(on the test server before 1.1.0 came out ), and wanted to clean it... problem: how the heck to I find the names of all the people clogging it up? If they were online enough that I knew their names, I wouldn't be removing them(yes, I'm now far more restrictive in who I will add to my list, but even best freinds may drop off of EL, and as long as I remember them, I'll hope they come back... so I won't remove from my list anyway)

there are 4 options:

don't use the buddy list. not acceptable as an option

use it, and when you fill your list up, you have to remove active people in order to add more people. not acceptable

write down a list of all the people you add, put it in deskdrawer or notepad or whatever. it'll work, but that's a bad workaround, and not an acceptable option

ask for a way to be able to see your offline buddies. I pointed out that this is required a while before 1.1.0 even came out, and as far as I know it still hasn't come

[Aislinn]

while it's true, requiring people to use text commands is not the best option, especially if we can delete online people on out list through a GUI

besides... it's near useless

Lol I was answering a specific question, which I did quote. I in no way implied that by learning the current available commands, or by showing someone where to find them, replaces the need for a few other buddy list options.

[Arnieman]

Lol I was answering a specific question, which I did quote.  I in no way implied that by learning the current available commands, or by showing someone where to find them, replaces the need for a few other buddy list options. 

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And I pointed out the GUI ("gooey" ) way to work the same thing - as pointed out, the downside is being unable to do what I said if the player is offline...

 

So, looks like we've got two (maybe 3) problems people want addressed here (posted as what the suggestions are):

1.) Impermanence of "your name on other people's lists"

2.) Displaying offline buddies

3.) (maybe)more people on the buddy list

 

I have a suggestion that addresses the original (first) problem:

What if - when accepting a request to add yourself to a buddy list, you had to set a time - say, a text field for number input of how many EL days to allow your name to remain on their list. Could set this to to 0 or have a checkbox for "Indefinate Time". Then, when the request is granted, the requester's client would record when you accepted the request, and use your limit to calculate the time to expire and record that (or something to note "don't expire" if you said "Indefinate"). When that limit is reached, or when logging on after a limit has passed, their client automatically removes your name, and gives them a console output saying something like, "<Your Name>'s time limit has expired, and s/he has been removed from your buddy list. Please resend your request."