Sadez Report post Posted August 24, 2004 In the other forum we were discussing about the e3dobject list, map converting, switching to cal3d etc. The last idea was from Cicero, and it consisted on merging the harvestable, entrable files with the model id and path, and then use the ids on the maps instead of the file names. Correct me or explain it again if I'm forgiving something or I'm wrong Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cicero Report post Posted August 24, 2004 Nope, that was basically it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Roja Report post Posted August 25, 2004 There's also a new "heigth" that we must add..and that is "swimmable" Not sure exactly how to do this..but basically when you go in the water and hit a certain heigth your character would start the swim animation..same with some animals. Also some animals will have to be labeled as swimmers, because it would be stupid to see a rabbit in the middle of the ocean I'm still trying to get a model to export from blender, for the cal3d thing..but i've been extremely busy these past few days(and more to come), so i haven't had time for it. So that's on a small halt right now. And as for the objects all going into one big folder, I'm not sure if it is best to have them all in one folder(only for the 3dobjects & ground tiles with their textures), or to have them in 2 separate folders: 3dobjects, textures. It doesn't really matter either I guess... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Leeloo Report post Posted August 25, 2004 Swimming? Cool. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fred_penner Report post Posted August 25, 2004 Swimming? Can you drown? Say for example, your food level drops to 0 then you're too tired to swim (just like you get too tired to harvest effectively) and you'll start losing 1 mat point every n seconds until you die or get out of the water. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cicero Report post Posted August 25, 2004 Yes, leeloo, and if the cal3d stuff works out, you just might get your bathing suit Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Leeloo Report post Posted August 25, 2004 COOL "You have posted a message with more emoticons that this board allows. Please reduce the number of emoticons you've added to the message" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Roja Report post Posted August 25, 2004 great idea fred!! We must have drowning too guys :DD Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fred_penner Report post Posted August 25, 2004 And maybe the depth of the water (or distance from shore) starts applying "cold" damage. Just to put some danger into swimming. I'm thinking people might be able to swim to the new continent, but only if they're strong enough. Or maybe "might" or some skill dictates how long you can be in the water before you start to drown. And the inventory you're carrying could make a difference too. Some formula involving the weight you're carrying and your "might" skill could dictate how long you can swim for before you start drowning. There's lots of fun things you could do with swimming. Make it a skill maybe; somehting to practice. Put islands out in the water, maybe with rare resources on them like mercury or enriched essence spawns, etc. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Laibach Report post Posted August 25, 2004 Hey now, water shouldn't be cold implicitly. I go scuba diving all the time with nothing more on than a 2.5mm shorty.. -lai Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Roja Report post Posted August 25, 2004 yes what you are carrying WILL influence how well you swim..or how fast you drown I think the cold factor can come into play in the icelands. heat too..if you're near a volcano er somethin hot Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Laibach Report post Posted August 25, 2004 I know this is a bit off topic, but since we've already had one tangent subtopic about new animations -- how about some emote animations also Like cheer, jump, run in place, wave, etc.. It'd be even more uber if I could trigger a silent emote animation (without the default text) e.g. :cheers like a mad fool. #silent_emote joy or something like that.. -lai Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cicero Report post Posted August 25, 2004 If we get cal3d working, we can have some very nice, smooth, animations, and combinations of animations (like waving while running, limping, etc). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
duran Report post Posted August 25, 2004 now thats very interesting cicero Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Leeloo Report post Posted August 26, 2004 There's also a new "heigth" that we must add..and that is "swimmable" Not sure exactly how to do this..but basically when you go in the water and hit a certain heigth your character would start the swim animation.. Is this new height really necessary? Checking if the ground tile is water shouldn't be difficult. And we know where the water surface is (since it's always in the same place), and we have the height map. From that we get the depth of the water. If we add a max walking depth value to each kind of person/animal/monster, you simply start to swim when the water gets deeper than that. That value would be a little lower for dwarves of course, so they start swimming closer to the shore. And very low for something like snakes (yes, snakes do swim). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sadez Report post Posted August 26, 2004 The height is stored in a char and only 5 bits are used (32 heights), we could expand it to 64 or 128 different heights and then use one bit to flag the tiles as water. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Entropy Report post Posted August 27, 2004 No we can't. The other bits are used by the server for other things. Anyway, soon I will come up with the protocols for the changing objects on the map and such. Basically we will have the following things: 1. Remove all objects of this type from the map, temporary. 2. Remove all objects of this type from the map permanently 3. Remove all the object of this type from this area (x,y,x2,y2) temporarly/permanently 4. Replace all object of this type (map, area, temproarly, permanently) with this object 5. Add this object at this corodinates (temporarly/permanently) 6. Replace object ID (as in the index in the map) with this object. (pem/temp) 7. Remove ------------------------------------------- (perm/temp) 8. Rotate objects around. etc. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Leeloo Report post Posted August 27, 2004 The height is stored in a char and only 5 bits are used (32 heights), we could expand it to 64 or 128 different heights and then use one bit to flag the tiles as water. The point is, the client already knows that the tile is water. It needs to know that to be able to draw it. And since the server uses the same map file, it should know too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Entropy Report post Posted August 27, 2004 Umm, no, the client can't really know that tile is water. I mean, what if you put a bridge over some water tile? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Leeloo Report post Posted August 28, 2004 Umm, no, the client can't really know that tile is water. I mean, what if you put a bridge over some water tile? It's still water, but the heigh-map is above the surface, so you don't swim. You only swim when the water depth (surface height - height map) > max walking depth. Even Jesus didn't swim when he was walking on the water (height map = water surface) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
