Branch of Destruction

[Zaer]

ofcourse it is always a matter of opinion.

However the fact still remains that the bone and branch are the most stupid, overpowered items i have ever seen in a game, and i have played most MMORPGs out there.

An item that nullifies levels, which are the main part of most of these games, is really quite silly, as it something that just breaks other items.

 

Seriously something needs to be done about them, they have ruined the PK aspect of this game.

Edited July 6, 2006 by Zaer

[Lorck]

For the_antiroot, i am more honorable with =Hc= tag than many JusTies with JusT tag. I only attack enemies, give back bags to all, help newbies, fight scammers instead of protect them, etc.

 

That comments was directed to you because you said that some normal pking (for instance, attacking someone in pk map is outlaw). I kindly recommend you to read that thread, there are several comments from guilds allied to yours (like PL and Ca$h there that reforces the arguments) that pk is not dishonorable by nature.

 

Almost all pkers and the community at large agreed that attack someone in a pk map is not dishonorable, as you said. I said that JusT because you said normal stuff is dishonorable, while you mantain in your guild some scammers (read above about iktor and redjake, without mention when you accepted liquid, but that is another story).

[the_antiroot]

An item that nullifies levels, which are the main part of most of these games, is really quite silly, as it something that just breaks other items.

 

Nullifies levels? Bull, what use are either if your too low level to hit oyur target with one?

I say again, adapt your stratege. Those items were added to make pk more strategic.

[Lorck]

LoL, brilliant strategy. You attack someone with branch and he dis and tele.

 

Branch was made for cowards who cant win a fair fight, so they employ dirty methods.

 

EDIT: The new swords and armor added an interesting degree of strategy. But its utterly bullshit to say that a weapon which makes you dont win a fight (low acc and damage) and just break somebody elses' items added any strategy.

Edited July 6, 2006 by Lorck

[Zaer]

anti i respect you as a person and agree with you on many other points, however i fail to see why you even post here.

 

you never go in a pk map, have never pkd properly and so know fuck all about this.

 

Where is the strategy in buying a weapon that hits a stupid amount of damage, and then going into pk and killing everyone? Please explain.

 

I have Pkd on this game for a long time and so know what i am talking about.

 

you say that if they have too low lvls then they cant hit.. so why does someone who is 40 a/d lower than me come up to me with Bone, and proceed to kill me or make me diss/flee, even though i have about 30 million more experience than him that i have worked hard for. Yeah brilliant idea

 

and dont say any shit about teaming up on the person who uses the bone, they all team up together because they are either too scared to have a fair fight or not good enough.

 

Either way PK has been ruined. There always used to be 2 balanced sides, which made it fun. A while back when the sides became uneven =Hc= broke their alliance with ca$h to liven things up, however these days everyone joins the same side, all the people who spend $$$ on the game gang together, because they are too scared to fight properly and even the sides out once again.

[the_antiroot]

For the_antiroot, i am more honorable with =Hc= tag than many JusTies with JusT tag. I only attack enemies, give back bags to all, help newbies, fight scammers instead of protect them, etc.

I totally disagree here, and continue to see it as irrelevant to the thread. iirc the thread was about "Branch of Destruction"

 

That comments was directed to you because you said that some normal pking (for instance, attacking someone in pk map is outlaw). I kindly recommend you to read that thread, there are several comments from guilds allied to yours (like PL and Ca$h there that reforces the arguments) that pk is not dishonorable by nature.

Parse error : Failed to find any relevance to "Branch of Destruction".

 

Almost all pkers and the community at large agreed that attack someone in a pk map is not dishonorable, as you said. I said that JusT because you said normal stuff is dishonorable, while you mantain in your guild some scammers (read above about iktor and redjake, without mention when you accepted liquid, but that is another story).

Parse error : Failed to find any relevance to "Branch of Destruction".

 

I ask you once more to, to try and keep your replyes to me related to the topic at hand, (incase the topic title has scrolled off the top of your screen, its "Branch of Destruction".

You appear to wish to state your point, and sather than answer my opposing views, try to discredit me and my guild with issues totally unrelated to the Branch od Destruction".

 

If you have issues with JusT, then there are other avenues, including contacting me on the forums, ingame, or posting in an appropriate thread. Say one relating to the issues you wish to bring up.

 

I do have to slightly offtopic though and thank you for the hilarious impllication ther =HC= is more honarable than JusT.

[vampireLOREN]

So why dont you switch armour/weapon when you see somone with a branch?

 

The new (not so new now) weapons were added to add strategy to the game.

 

It appears the folks who object most are the thermal $erp totting ro$t buying folks who are happy with their financial status un u$d and dont feel thos who save hard for 200kgc in game deserve any way of staying even.

 

You see a branch, switch to your cheapo's, thats your strategy, their strategy is making you fight without your $hop bought goods.

 

And as others have psoted earlier, many who would see the branch as dishonorable are forgetting how dishonorably they act so much of the time, attacking pvp'ers, noobs, basically anyone they see.

 

also said before, dont enter pk if you aint willing to lose your stuff.

Lets just drop the "OMG!!~~~111oneoneone~~~~ those without u$d can cause me grief now attitude".

 

Stop whining, and either adapt your strategy, or run home to mommy whenever you see a branch.

It amazes me the time spend in these discussions.

today via the viking forum I was able to communicate with DonPedro and i fully accept his argument as to his departure....saddened by yes, but understand.

For those who are staying...it is differant, Why are you here? ask all of you that simple question.

If it is as a place to make friends...hang out with online buddies....fall in love ...whatever its your time and its cool. You have become a part of one community.

But if you wish to play the game per se......well what is it??? because it involves levelling and making your char grow. It is obvious that the game will constantly change...in fact get harder. It is a game one needs to adapt to play . Some will spend large amounts of real money to become an uber player...others will sit forever and kilk away its your life do what you like. Looking here its not these items that is the problem

it is ...a failure to change. The points raised by pk ers amuse me....you all hate ros stones, but use them..... I would guess most have bought items from the shop. The idea of going pking with less than the pro gear on has merit, just maybe it is the way to go.

We hear about the lack of "drops" this approach could remedy that in a flash.

I would say to you....those who wish to keep playing.....do not think items like thermals..then COL...then the BOD or BO Destruction are the thin edge of the wedge.......I doubt they are even the tip.

[Lorck]

For the_antiroot, i am more honorable with =Hc= tag than many JusTies with JusT tag. I only attack enemies, give back bags to all, help newbies, fight scammers instead of protect them, etc.

I totally disagree here, and continue to see it as irrelevant to the thread. iirc the thread was about "Branch of Destruction"

 

That comments was directed to you because you said that some normal pking (for instance, attacking someone in pk map is outlaw). I kindly recommend you to read that thread, there are several comments from guilds allied to yours (like PL and Ca$h there that reforces the arguments) that pk is not dishonorable by nature.

Parse error : Failed to find any relevance to "Branch of Destruction".

 

Almost all pkers and the community at large agreed that attack someone in a pk map is not dishonorable, as you said. I said that JusT because you said normal stuff is dishonorable, while you mantain in your guild some scammers (read above about iktor and redjake, without mention when you accepted liquid, but that is another story).

Parse error : Failed to find any relevance to "Branch of Destruction".

 

I ask you once more to, to try and keep your replyes to me related to the topic at hand, (incase the topic title has scrolled off the top of your screen, its "Branch of Destruction".

You appear to wish to state your point, and sather than answer my opposing views, try to discredit me and my guild with issues totally unrelated to the Branch od Destruction".

 

If you have issues with JusT, then there are other avenues, including contacting me on the forums, ingame, or posting in an appropriate thread. Say one relating to the issues you wish to bring up.

 

I do have to slightly offtopic though and thank you for the hilarious impllication ther =HC= is more honarable than JusT.

Man, dunno if you cant read or just dont want to read.

 

You said above that people who dont have honor was complaining that the branch have no honor. Of course, you are blind to issues involving honor in your own guild, and showed exemples of when your guild dont had honor, i can say more if you want.

 

And yes, maybe some people in my guild dont follow the same strict honor code that i follow, but that is their problems, not mine. Or i should make you responsible for iktor's and redjake's scamming try outs?

 

The point is: to use branch is not honorable. You tried to warp the issue attacking some saying "look, you cant talk about honor because you are not honorable", when it was completly misplaced and ridiculous. And you dont had any argument saying "the branch is honoroble", so you tried an attack ad hominem and failed doing so.

[the_antiroot]

Man, dunno if you cant read or just dont want to read.

 

Forget it. You choose to make an acusation of what you are guilty of.

 

What you have read you choose to misinterpret, You choose to interpret what you have read from what I can only class as intentionally incorrect perspectives, and continue to try and burry my points in unrelated bullshit.

 

You have in several posts now implied my perspectives on honorble pk are very different from what they really are, and just try to reinforce that when I pass over them due to their lack of relevance to the topic.

 

I see litle point in continuing replying to you on this thread as you do not counter my points, rather for the most part you try to dammage the reputation of me and my guilld, to discredit the value of my oppinions.

 

Have a nice time running offtopic now., I wont distract you further on this thread by trying to actually post with points and counterpoints that actually relate to the Branch of Destruction.

[Zaer]

however i see you failed to counter my points, and so must conclude that you have no answer.

 

gg

[the_antiroot]

however i see you failed to counter my points, and so must conclude that you have no answer.

 

gg

 

Sorry, I will take the time to answer you, as you at least address what I say, and where we have different ethos, I believe we have a level of respect.

 

you never go in a pk map, have never pkd properly and so know fuck all about this.

 

I have not in the past been very active on pk maps, ans I acknowledge I am still learning, however...

In recent times I have been spending more time on pk maps, and have been taught a fair bit about strategy now. Where my experience is lesser, I am forced to use strategy to compensate for my lower adpc than most. I believe it is to a level that allows me an oppinion.

 

 

Where is the strategy in buying a weapon that hits a stupid amount of damage, and then going into pk and killing everyone? Please explain.

I cannot comment on the bone as I have never had to face one, my comments were regarding the branch.

 

I have Pkd on this game for a long time and so know what i am talking about.

 

You have, very true, but were kinda talking about different BoD's.

However if on strategy, I can wield a branch and force you to fight me without a thermal, and crown and plate, then I have a strategic advantage.

If I bluff you with a wooden branch all the sweeter.

Anyway I see the branch as adding a level of paper, rock scisors to the game, however you get to counter each change of equip.

 

 

Thats my 2 cents worth

[Lorck]

Not my points either.

 

And he started the guild honor issue. Go back and look, he said that some people who were dishonorable was complaining about some dirty methods. I said i have honor, and when i pointed that there was some scammers in his guild so he was being hypocrite, he said "offtopic bullshit! this dont have anything to do with the topic". It has to do with the topic when i countered one of your point: there was some people who care about honor and dont see branch as a honorable metod to achieve winning.

 

And that was one of the points i countered, i countered all of him, since he dont had anything more to say he tried to say offtopic, etc.

 

EDIT:

However if on strategy, I can wield a branch and force you to fight me without a thermal, and crown and plate, then I have a strategic advantage.

PK is not 1vs1 always. There may be multiple opponents, and if you wear crappy stuff against multiple opponents you will be visiting underworld as much as your friend xanter do.

If it is in 1vs1 you dont force the opponent to use anything since he will simply dis you.

Now, if you are fighting multiple opponents and one of them has branch is another thing. Same with invisible opponents.

So, if you are using branch, you force the opponent to not fight you or break your itens...

And of course, you are only defending the branch because of your guild mate tsunami4098749827492876 who never trains, buy all the stuff from real life money and use branch against people who enjoy the game.

Edited July 6, 2006 by Lorck

[Zaer]

yeh i agree with some of what you say anti.. however the branch is still too overpowered.

 

I mean ok it stops me using thermal/col, but also stops me using any equipment. It basically means that the person who has it rules in PK, i never fought branch, i cant afford to lose items that quickly, i helped test it on the test server and it ate through my whole storage in about 15 mins.

 

Decrease the chance of break to 1/500 or so hits, and it will be much more balanced. Then i would fight it, there would be a chance of me breaking my items, but i would accept that. There is a chance anyway.

 

However the chance atm is far too high, its like bringing in an items that enables me to have 6% (or whatever it is) chance to succeed in any manufacture item i make, although this is a bad comparison as the amount of hits per fight far exceed any amount of manufacturing done.

 

The branch either needs to be altered or taken out of the game, as it is there exists an item that can enable one person to rule in PK, simply because we cannot afford to fight him. This is not how the game should work.

[Infamous]

Conclusion: Branch of destruction is damn gay adds no strategy and is only meant to ruin peoples fun.

 

gg all

[Lorck]

What is the real strategic advantage if the guy simply will not fight you? And even if he dont you have no chance of winning since branch is crappy for that.

[the_antiroot]

yeh i agree with some of what you say anti.. however the branch is still too overpowered.

 

I mean ok it stops me using thermal/col, but also stops me using any equipment. It basically means that the person who has it rules in PK, i never fought branch, i cant afford to lose items that quickly, i helped test it on the test server and it ate through my whole storage in about 15 mins.

 

Decrease the chance of break to 1/500 or so hits, and it will be much more balanced. Then i would fight it, there would be a chance of me breaking my items, but i would accept that. There is a chance anyway.

 

However the chance atm is far too high, its like bringing in an items that enables me to have 6% (or whatever it is) chance to succeed in any manufacture item i make, although this is a bad comparison as the amount of hits per fight far exceed any amount of manufacturing done.

 

The branch either needs to be altered or taken out of the game, as it is there exists an item that can enable one person to rule in PK, simply because we cannot afford to fight him. This is not how the game should work.

 

Now this I can totally agree with. The chance is too high, and needs ballanced. Or, and I just had this thought at the moment, a spell which for say 60 seconds protects yuor equipment from the effects.

 

Now this is more like what I joined this thread for. Enough of a chance, but not as great as at the moment.

perhaps 1/500 os too low, maby 1%, but that would go on the tweaking side. (you have to remember, its expensive, quite fragile and dosnt hit that hard, so cant reduce it too far)

[Zaer]

yeah true, although it does hit quite hard, i dont remember exaclty but i think somewhere near what a serp hits.

 

Anyhow it clearly needs tweaking, the chance needs lowering to a fair amount.

 

We got there eventually, only took 6 pages of crap to do it

[Bharain]

Maybe make it -5 accuracy so you reduce the chance by reducing the number of hits.

[Lorck]

It hits 12-18 of damage, iirc, while a normal serp hits for 15-25. Also branch got +5 of acc, while serp got 4, 4 of bonus defense, bonus in criticals, etc.

Its even more crappy if you compare with the new weapons.

[DarElik]

Thanks for all the laughs guys, I needed it. Lets face it these weapons are here for a purpose, maybe to prevent the PKers that like acting like highwaymen and robbers from accosting every explorer or merchant that wanders through a dangerous area??? As for honor, how many never complete things like the wine quest because of a few jerks in full armor and glowing pink swords that think its great fun to kell newbs and then crow about how honorable they are less than an hour later?? Now the same guilds whos members have jumped me when I was unarmed and they tagteamed me in full plate are crying about honor, ROFL. Real honor would be given to those who escort people on missions and such safely through dangerous areas, not to the Uber thieves that kill and rob those weaker than themselves for fun and profit. I will continue crossing any pk areas I feel like, if ya wanna kill me don't expect me to cry and plead for my stuff back, but don't expect healing, anything I sell or bag retrieval when you get in trouble. As for the branch, I don't have one yet, but I will.

 

 

Well said. My feelings exactly.

[Lorck]

That proves you have no clue DarkElic. For instance, DonPedro only attacked his enemies and still got ganged by jokers with branch who dont even played the game.

 

I would say about real life weapons, a weapon is not good or evil, its just a tool to achieve something. In the hand of a guard can be used to protect, in the hand of an outlaw can be used to destroy. But the analogy here is not valid, only certain kind of people would use this weapon: lamers.

 

You will never have people who guide others to pk safely or whatever you said it was "honorable" (of course it is bullshit, i told you to read the thread name "honorable pking" in general forum, you did not of course) because those would dont even being in pk maps because of that weapon.

Edited July 7, 2006 by Lorck

[Tsunami96306]

Never really thought of myself as an outlaw but here I am.......

 

For those who dont know it, I'm the evil/lame/noob that used the branch on a few occasions and got lucky.

 

I say to each their own....I wont make lots of excuses to defend my use of the weapon but want to add a few comments since all this steams from me breaking Don's thermal.

 

Is it FAIR honorable pk when someone thats 20/30 even 40 lvl's higher than you on the top a/d list uses the bod, I mean this is a player that should win against you in pk even without a weapon.....but uses it anyway. What are you shooting for here EXTREME over kill.

 

But remember bod is cool/great/awesome......brod is lame/stupid/noodish

 

Lets keep in mind its only 5% accurate, so if I last long enough against someone that is that much higher than me and get it to actually work......how many times would I have to die to do it????

 

All thats been said here could be said about any weapon.........Thermals give an unfair advantage, or any spell.......why is someone like scarr always casting harm/mana drain on me when they are x10 stronger than me.

 

Like someone said earlier.....why blame the person using the item, I didn't create it...I only use what is provided to me by the game.

 

JusT FYI alot of top players offered to buy this weapon from me...I wont mention any names. So I must not be the only lame noob in EL......lol

 

JusT one last thing in closing, For all those that play and know me.....RED tags included, You should know I only play honorable when it comes to PK, I never attack trainers, hell I even leave RED tags alone while they are harvesting.....not a very fair fight there so I dont. I dont attack guilds unless they are either enemy of my guild or in defence of our allies so if me using a weapon provided by EL puts me in Outlaws....then so be it.

 

 

TSUnami96306

 

This will be my only post on this so fire away, you wont get any responce from me.......lol

Edited July 7, 2006 by Tsunami96306

[Lorck]

Err... you tried to ask for those people to dont use the thermal or whatever against you if you dont thought it was unfair? I even fought you barehanded and won when you got serp sword, you dont even needed to ask it, because when i used serp was overkill...

 

Scarr, or any other smart pker will try everything they can to kill you, not make you dis+tele. And this is part of the fun, to make the opponent dis is like one win, to make him die is like two wins.

 

But defy Scarr: i will fight you without magic weapons and without harm/mana drains... i doubt that he would refuse. Hmm, maybe scarr is too strong for you, maybe on someone weaker. When i defied xanter to not use his thermal serp because i could not afford at the time he called me a "sissy coward".

 

I see people, like Nitager, who go in no drops day without COL to kf, because if he gone with COL no one would have a chance to win against him. If you win against him he takes the COL and fight again. But i see some lamers who attack trainees with bone (because they obviously have no COL to score an easy win).

 

Again, good fighters want to fight and have fun doing so. Not damage their opponent items. And they like fair fights, not fights when you got all the good stuff (because you have real life $$$) and the opponent have nothing.

Edited July 7, 2006 by Lorck

[DarElik]

That proves you have no clue DarkElic. For instance, DonPedro only attacked his enemies and still got ganged by jokers with branch who dont even played the game.

Sure, if you go buy one just to go looking for people and try and break their stuff, you're right, it's not the honorable way to go..

 

If I walk through a PK area, I shouldn't have to EXPECT to be attacked. I can walk down my street here near my house and, as we all know, the ENTIRE WORLD is a PK area, but I don't expect to be attacked. Sure, it's gonna happen by the odd troublemaker, but in RL, that's the exception. Here in EL, it seems like the rule. "Ooooo.. You're IN a PK area, you must WANT to be attacked".

 

I don't care much for the PKing really.. I'm kind of with Anti on that topic, but I am (like DarkGelf) planning on buying one and will carry the thing when having to go through or harvest in PK areas.

 

It's pretty simple, you don't bother me, I won't bother you. If you're my enemy and we run across each other in a PK area, then yes, I expect confrontation, but what I don't get about alot of the 1337 PKers around here is why just bust up on somebody because they're walking by toting a pickaxe or trying to finish the wine quest wearing nothing but an MM cape to keep the monsters off their back?

 

So, as far as THIS clueless person goes, I *STILL* agree with DarkGelf on what he said and will use whatever means this game provides to be a survivor if the situation arises.

 

But, you can count on me not to start an encounter, but with whatever means I have at my disposal, I will try to END it..

[Lorck]

The problem DarkElic with your comparation with real life is that its a game. And you have CHOICE. As you said in real life the whole world is a pk zone, here is not, and there is nothing (except hydro and the wine quest, but if you wait for peace day you still dont need to be there) that you *need* to go in pk map that make you go there.

 

There is no comparation possible with this times of real life. Lets try antient times (this game is medieval fantasy based with some add ons of science fiction), if you entered a roman arena and you got attacked and you called the other gladiator outlaw the crowd would laugh at you. At that time, there was some areas where if you entered you should expect confrontation.

 

But this is offtopic. The topic is some new weapons/armor whatever is cool to have and to use. Some people got their stuff with real life effort (spending $$$) and some others made an in game effort, and both situations are nice and cool, imho.

 

But the tatic of destroy the stuff of the others (because you dont care if they destroy yours since you buy all your stuff real life $$$) is unfair and outlawish.

Edited July 7, 2006 by Lorck