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On the topic of media attention...

 

(Note: contains coarse language, don't watch it if you're a parent who thinks their kids don't swear all day and is going to complain that they might see it (btw they've already seen it))

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ofcourse noone would want someone child to sleep in the same bed with an adult man

but that still doesnt say he abused these kids now does it, in hes eyes it was just normal, cuz he dont know what normal is :X

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Ateh already covered it, but just a quicky addition:

 

Looking at it rationally, however, if my son agreed and I were sure that the middle aged man would do nothing bad/immoral to him, it would probably be OK.
And to be honest, most fans of MJ wouldn't care - that's the whole point that you're missing.

 

Thats the whole point, no one cares about what possible wrong a hero does, they are forgiven.

It allows many heros to do whatever they want to do, all with follower approval. Scary.

Who says people have to care about possible wrong things. As long as it isn't prooven he did it, the people who like MJ for his music, will deny it happend.

 

Let them? And I doubt a single person would approove of MJ shagging kids. Love that word.. shagging.

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the guy that made the case against him admited he lied anyways

so GG

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Shivar pr0 is actually 100% right. The kids admitted to lieing. Being in a bed with Michael Jackson? You know that screams lawsuit to any person looking to make some $$ in a cheap way and from a strange situation. Michael Jackson did in fact want his outside appearance to match his inner emotions. People think of his physical changes as strange (and they are to us) but to him he was only trying to make an image which mirrored his inner child that he never got to experience. Sadly, he was mentally offset and yes he was an OC addict, but nonetheless a music icon. Kids sleeping in a bed with him, to him, was like a slumber party full of abunch of kids. For being a kid on the inside I will say he made some damn good music. :)

 

-Pain

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Ateh already covered it, but just a quicky addition:

 

Looking at it rationally, however, if my son agreed and I were sure that the middle aged man would do nothing bad/immoral to him, it would probably be OK.
And to be honest, most fans of MJ wouldn't care - that's the whole point that you're missing.

 

Thats the whole point, no one cares about what possible wrong a hero does, they are forgiven.

It allows many heros to do whatever they want to do, all with follower approval. Scary.

Who says people have to care about possible wrong things. As long as it isn't prooven he did it, the people who like MJ for his music, will deny it happend.

 

Let them? And I doubt a single person would approove of MJ shagging kids. Love that word.. shagging.

 

Again, that is the point and the problem. The followers of any cultish leader will deny the wrong doing

of that leader -regardless- of whether it is proven or disproven. Even in the event its is factually proven,

followers will insist it was a fabrication created to defame their leader. This level of hero worship is dangerous,

fine enjoy someones work, but the level of devotion into a god-man idol, is scary. Kool-Aid? anyone.

(p.s. to repeat conavar's statement: innocent people do not settle out of court for a fortune, because they lack time )

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I already said a few posts ago that I don't have children so I don't know the emotional bonds connect with it. Looking at it rationally, however, if my son agreed and I were sure that the middle aged man would do nothing bad/immoral to him, it would probably be OK.

 

rationally i'd say you will probably change your mind once you have a child, because quite frankly even though you are trying to make a point I think you have just basically said you are all for middle aged men having sleepovers with underage boys and thats prolly the most fucked up thing ive read all year

 

OK, thinking about it more thoroughly now, I have to admit that sleepovers between kids and unrelated adults are f00ked up. Not that there's anything rationally wrong with it, but the kid at the very least must feel pretty weird and unnattural in such a situation.

 

Still, I can't help but think those kids agreed to sleep with MJ. If they didn't...oh well. Anyone got any info on this?

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I already said a few posts ago that I don't have children so I don't know the emotional bonds connect with it. Looking at it rationally, however, if my son agreed and I were sure that the middle aged man would do nothing bad/immoral to him, it would probably be OK.

 

rationally i'd say you will probably change your mind once you have a child, because quite frankly even though you are trying to make a point I think you have just basically said you are all for middle aged men having sleepovers with underage boys and thats prolly the most fucked up thing ive read all year

 

OK, thinking about it more thoroughly now, I have to admit that sleepovers between kids and unrelated adults are f00ked up. Not that there's anything rationally wrong with it, but the kid at the very least must feel pretty weird and unnattural in such a situation.

 

Still, I can't help but think those kids agreed to sleep with MJ. If they didn't...oh well. Anyone got any info on this?

 

For me the only fishy thing about these sleepovers and parents accusing MJ for molesting those childrens

is that the Parents just took a couple of million dollars and let the case calm...

Cause seriously, if i think/know my own child was touched by some guy, i would rather get him to jail

or kill him with my own hands than taking a few million dollars...

I still think in this case its the Parents that are f00ked up, and it lets the whole rumors smell fishy about

beeing true or not.

 

Noone of us really knows whats been up in MJs Life, if he had a childhood or not, if he tried to live that

childhood in mid aged with young childrens or whatever. The only things we know is what we got from

the media, and what we heard when he was in court for the child molesting stuff.

 

Whether the Pro and Con Faction of MJ cant come with serious facts because there is just so little known

about the Person Michael Jackson except what the media tells us, and believing the media was always

a Medal with two very different sides.

 

Anyways, i wish MJ an RIP for his charity activity and that he inspired an Era of Music and People. For

nothing else.

 

Every Human deserves his Respect when he dies, taking it out of hand would just be on a niveau of

what the person might have done or not of you.

 

I allready hated this frigging Funeral whatever Ceremony they hold up like an Happy Happy Joy Joy

Concert. Frigging Fans screaming and stuff when the artists came on stage, the Jackson Clan pushing

his lil Daughter to say something about her Dad. It was just a ridiculous Ceremony not Worth a Humans

Death at all.

 

Whatever.. what i wanted to say is just, NO i wouldnt let my Child sleepover by a midaged man, but i also

wouldnt take the Millions of Dollars if he did touch my kid just to let him run free again... so this argument

just doesnt work.

 

Sincerly Fabi

Edited by Scorpius

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Even after his dead people keep on discussing if he did something or did not do something which was illegal..

Is it really something that is really worth the fuzz about, can't we just remember the music he made instead of him being a perv?

 

Then again the continues discussion should not be: was MJ fault of having sleepovers with young boys?

But the discussion should be: How sick are people to let their child have a sleepover with MJ?

 

I have a 2.5 yo daughter and i would never, NEVER, let her have a sleepover with anyone that is named adult (no not even an adult babysitter, got family to babysit her)

 

Not all the commotion around MJ first court happening was the first sign of his sickness, it already showed when he built a amusement park on his own land for children, even before that he had interviews in which he already stated he liked to be around kids (this is not a bad thing, but it is when u heard how he said it)

 

So i think we should get the parents of all these children to court and make sure they won't be able to have care over their children again, it is not right to let ur kid have sleepovers with adult people, not even when they're so famous..

 

Are people really so famesick that they would even lent their child for it, just to be able to say: I know a famous person!

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Just to clarify a glaring mis-statement I have seen...

 

I don't think that in American court trials, juries can find someone INNOCENT. I could be wrong, but I think they can only find them NOT GUILTY. Whereas the two are similar, they are not the same, as the former means that the accused could not have committed the crime, where the second means that the evidence provided doesn't conclusively prove beyond reasonable doubt that the accused committed the crime. If I am wrong in my statement that American juries can't find someone innocent, only not guilty, I am confident that the use of an "innocent" verdict is extremely rare, as to say that the "not guilty" verdict is far more common.

 

That said, I don't feel that MJ's guilt in the matter is something that is up to me to decide, whether he actually did it or not. If he did as he is accused, it's pretty sick. Even if all he did was holding sleepovers for kids, without allowing chaperons, and nothing perverse happened (such as the accusations of liquor, pornography, sexual conduct), I still feel that's inappropriate. I can't say that if I had children, I'd let them stay in a similar circumstance, fame or no fame.

 

That also said, I believe this boils down to a few facts: Michael Jackson was an artist, who changed his industry with his work. He's deceased now, and whatever he did in life, he has only God to answer to now. I do hope he rests in peace - as I would wish for anyone who dies to rest in peace.

 

I admit I'm kinda late in the game here... also, I do admit a "religious" bias. For the first, I apologize. For the second... I can respect your views, but I will hold mine - please respect my views.

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I am very late on answering to this thread, but whatever, it really matters for me to post here.

I think if you love someone, you'll will forgive to him or her, you will believe and trust him or her.

Just like MJ, we all did wrong things, and it isnt right for anyone to judge if one's errors are worse than an other's errors.

Only difference between MJ and the common people, as me or you, is that an incredible amount of people loved him, forgave him, believed him and trusted him.

 

Celace.

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I think it is horrid that once he died people are all of a sudden going on about how he must have done this and must have done that and all this negative publicity personally imo i dont think he did the things he was accused of and I think that it is awful that people waited til he was dead and gone to start listening to him again i know that i listened to him as a child and just really didnt listen to much of anything as i got older but i think that it is sad he is missed and will be missed and never forgotten by many. Imo his death to my generationg is like when Elvis Presley died during my parents generation he was and always will be The King of Pop !!

 

Rest In Peace Michael

Edited by Lamorian

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I also believe it is just wrong to wish someone's death or to be happy about anyone's death just like some people did on this thread. MJ went crazy partly because of money, and I dont even want to imagine what people who are hating on him after his death would do if they'd get as much money as MJ did.

Guilty or not, death is not a way to solve the problem. Again, he's been found innocent of what he is accused by thousands of people.

The children's parents behavior is simply disgusting and immoral also, which really make me believe they've only done it for money.

 

Celace.

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