Aislinn

I'm pretty sure you already have a forum account under a different name.

I have the default on Android. My version is 1.9.6.0-rc-20211130.2243 with 1.9.6 data (downloaded from the github page)

I tried trading with Raz as well. I saw no pattern to what would be replaced. I tried to trade him a toadstool and a conjurer cloak went into the trade window instead. Augmented pants turned into a 5% shop coupon. Female orc token turned into a ring of srm. These are the last items in their respective storage sections but not all storage sections seem to have this problem. I did not have trouble getting a grape to trade properly like raz did. Could this be something to do with how storage is sorted? (alphabetically vs. old way)

"Creatures instance banners - names" You just uncheck the box. To do this, you have to check the box "Use instance mode banners", which allows you to customize what you see and how you see it for both players and creatures/mobs.

You can separate that in the options.

No worries at all. I'll clear them!

The only way I know of to attack an invasion mob that can't attack you (capped below your a/d) is for you to mana drain them.

Okay done, 300 brown snakes capped at 1. If you want/need more, let me know

Yes, how many and where would you like them?

Done

Love it! It works perfectly and is very obvious. Thank you so much.

Yes, I use old behavior. That explains that, as I get the same result Nogrod does when trying to do long press at the top. A button to toggle the keyboard that sits to the left of where the input text area is sounds great. I was thinking as well that space along the HUD bottom and sides is already cramped. I don't know if removing the long press and EL logo activation would be a good idea, as others might use them! As far as I can tell, a lot of people use this client, just they don't post much, if at all. The option is good! And please don't remove the ability to enter text from main screen, that's necessary for things like fighting (can't go into console to type if you are fighting or you'll die). "...easy to remember once discovered." That's the biggest problem. There is no list in one place of how to do things, just scattered posts in various threads. I guess with so many updates and ideas/suggestions, things are changing too often to do that, but it would be nice at some point. You've done a wonderful job on this. Nothing I've said is ever meant as a complaint; just me trying to understand it and explain why I don't, to help anyone else who comes along who is not used to android as well. Thank you so much for your time and efforts and patience.

How about another icon for the keyboard somewhere else? (Maybe make the EL icon a little smaller and put a keyboard one - that looks like a keyboard - below it?) I love the idea of an icon for toggling the keyboard but I always use the EL icon to get to EL forums, it's so clean and easy and quick. Plus it is over a decade of habit For anyone who is used to the pc client, it would never occur to us that the EL icon would be the keyboard. But I could live without it, for sure. I would much rather the easy way to toggle the keyboard.

Yes, that's the problem. Thank you! Didn't even think of the lack of right-click issue. Sorry for wasting your time.

I'm so sorry but now I can't eat. I was able to eat fine, I figured that out, but suddenly it won't work any more. I touch the veggies and nothing happens other than the icons change to the fist icon being highlighted even though I didn't do that myself. Changing the icon doesn't do anything and goes right back to the fist as soon as I touch the vegetables.

I'm a complete android/touch screen n00b. But I see no input field when I'm not in F1/console, and swiping left/right just moved my character around.

I can see how to get the keyboard when in F1/console. I figured that out, also figured out why the text line is at the top (moving it back to bottom hides the line when the keyboard is up.) I did see that help. However that doesn't help with bringing up the keyboard when not in console, which is necessary at times. The EL icon is fine, I've always used it for EL site/forums link, but that's not crucial I guess.

I'm at a complete loss here: I can't make the keyboard come up when not in F1/console mode. How does one chat without going into F1? Nevermind, found that it's the EL icon but what if we use that for EL site link?

If anyone has edited files such as servers.lst, global_filters.txt, sound_warnings.txt, key.ini, etc (I'm sure there are others), make sure you make backups of these files before you start downloading stuff. If you don't, and your files become overwritten, we can't help you get them back. Make backup copies of ANYTHING you have tinkered with EVER. Just to be safe, maybe make copies of your counters files too.

I'm posting for Raz who is unable to get to forums right now but something about the full install is smaller than the executable only. "If you click the full install it opens what looks like exe and dll and v/v." (Windows version)

Okay thank you, guess not the same issue.

Question for you all: when you are talking about getting a "black screen", do you mean the entire monitor goes black or just the EL window? I ask because I've had a handful of times my entire monitor went black and chalked it up to monitor troubles but now I wonder...since it doesn't happen often but always when actively doing something in EL. (I run dual monitors and it only happened on the one I was actively doing something in EL on so I just figured my monitor was going bad. It hasn't happened in ages though.)

The reason for this post: [14:17:34] [Aislinn @ 145200]: Just a heads up all, per radu just this week, it IS against invance rules to run straight to mb spawn and even more against rules to grab it and leave. [14:19:43] [TheCarnageX @ 145200]: can u make that an offical forums thing before people get in trouble like i nearly just did lol [14:20:49] [Aislinn @ 145200]: hardly the first time it's come up but sure, I'll post the conversation later. Should be kind of obvious. [14:21:26] [TheCarnageX @ 145200]: not really its a known thing that people do serping it form someone already on it sure but ive never even heard the notion of going for it being a problem [14:21:46] [TheCarnageX @ 145200]: taking it and leaving sure as rules state unless you really haft to you shouldnt leave invance until end [14:22:37] [Aislinn @ 145200]: here's the thing: you max capped people who don't get exp yet still run for it completely eliminate everyone else's chances to get it [14:23:53] [TheCarnageX @ 145200]: fair enough just please make a forums post or smth as i know buddies that do it and are in no way knowing they are violating a rule same as i just nearly did [14:24:03] [Aislinn @ 145200]: this is a team event, not a run and grab the best you can before everyone else is able [14:24:19] [Aislinn @ 145200]: if you actually played for your levels, you'd kjnow., Funny the rest of us do. [14:24:40] [TheCarnageX @ 145200]: Not as if ur own guildies dont do the same thing tho is it [14:25:26] [Aislinn @ 145200]: I am trying to do my part to contribute to this invance, not argue with you. Take your gripes privately after invance, please. Invances: Invances are team events. The entire point is to clear the map within a time limit. Everyone who shows up is part of this invance team. Everyone who shows up is expected to stay on the map to help the team win from start to finish. It is not a place to farm the bosses, serp your other teammates, train a/d experience, go AFK because you're at work, or stand around at the gate while others do the hard work. If you bring more than one character, all characters need to be actively fighting. If you are at work, don't come unless you can still actively fight. If you're only here for the MB, just don't come. The problem: Common sense. It seems that some people think anything goes if it's not explicitly laid out for their precise situation. The current invance rule set does cover participation requirements but later only specifies undercappers who don't receive the end experience. Now we have a max a/d (and to some extent max attribs) issue unique to this range - these characters also receive no experience at the end but can pretty much walk around unscathed as they are the equivalent of overcappers elsewhere and have no higher range to jump to but are still allowed to enter. As anyone who does the 145-200 knows, it's been an ongoing problem that some (I am not saying every one does it) very high level and high attribs characters have been joining and running straight to the mb spawn(s) before the invance even starts - waiting to grab them before anyone else can get there and either soloing them or calling their buddies over. Even more obnoxiously, some often leave after mbs are gone since they won't get the end exp anyway. Apparently some have missed the memo that this is a big no-no, even if it should be obvious. That is not team invancing. That is abusing the situation to boss farm. [As a little side note here, it's also rude and obnoxious to do the same thing in invasions - show up when it starts and is packed full, find the bosses (like mbs and casties), and kill the bosses immediately while nobody else can do it yet, then leave as soon as the bosses are gone and go instance. You know who you are.] Solution for now: So here is the conversation I had with radu (permission granted to post) earlier this week after listening to quite a few invance goers' complaints. [13:20:44] [PM to mercator: tell radu What do you think of the idea of removing the mb from the 145200 invance?] [18:07:01] [PM from radu: why?] [18:16:53] [PM to radu: so people who are maxed and don't get any more a/d exp don't show up, run over to grab it, and then leave :p] [18:16:53] [PM from radu: Automessage: I am currently away from my computer] [18:20:52] [PM to radu: the invance has a nice reward without it, and people get pissed off when some people enter, go straight to the mb spawn area and wait for it.] [18:23:15] [PM from radu: but that's a bit against the rules, no?] [18:23:44] [PM to radu: I think you'd find people would rather the trouble be removed than have to play reporter :p] [18:23:56] [PM from radu: no] [18:24:12] [PM from radu: they should report those doing it] [18:24:40] [PM to radu: then it causes a ton of fighting and drama and pisses everybody off] [18:38:53] [PM from radu: why? rules are rules] [18:40:02] [PM to radu: it just ruins the fun of it for everyone else] [19:19:34] [PM from radu: well, again, we can ban them from invances] I'm sure most people who participate in invances know this, but for those of you who borrowed your max a/d character and don't know what players who actually play know, there is a mod command to ban players from invances. I'm not a fan of this solution. I'd rather just remove the problem. So don't expect leniency from me if I have to handle it further. I go to have a good time and work hard to do my part. If that gets interrupted by selfish, greedy twits who should know better, and I have to spend that time instead dealing with you and listening to your angry pm spam because of it, it won't go well with you. You are warned. Spread the word.

Revised October 26, 2021 Invances are team events. The entire point is to clear the map within a time limit. If you enter, you *must* help the team win. No sabotaging other players. Gatekeeper must never go AFK and must allow people through the gate. No AFKing for *any* reason, anywhere. No leaving the map (with the exception of a quick restock) for any reason and then come back near the end just for the experience. If you must AFK, you must exit the invance and not return. This is not an event to farm bosses, serp other players, train a/d, stand around at the gate while others do the work, or go AFK. If you bring more than one character, all characters need to be actively fighting at all times. Do not show up just for the bosses or run over to the boss spawns to wait for them before it even starts. If you do not get experience (undercappers or maxed 178ers), you cannot go and cherry pick what mobs you want then leave. You must go in good gear - "good" will depend on the range and will be more flexible for the lower ranges. You are not helping the team if you show up in leathers/augs, iron swords, and training arrows, no matter how high your stats are. If you go *only* as an archer and will not do melee, you must have reasonably high AP, must not use training arrows, and must come down from the walls and continue to range in the field when those mobs are gone. Plan to shoot approximately 300 arrows (or 200 with Ethereal Ranger perk/bow). Observers are allowed but you must not clutter the channel with chat, are not allowed to cherry pick mobs to kill, and are not allowed to pick up bags. You must not get in the way or inconvenience those who fight. This also applies to alts of team members who are not in range. If you see someone breaking these rules, report them via the #abuse command immediately while the invance is still going on. It's difficult to check it out if you report it two days later. **Lower ranges (40-60 and 60-80) do not have the archery and gear requirements. **Breaking these rules can result in you being banned from invances.

For completion: this new rule set will replace the old rule set in the ingame Encyclopedia and in the Official Rules forum section. The old set will be moved and saved elsewhere. Also Radu has requested these be put in the EL-Wiki so I'll be sending pm's to Vino and Ghrae for EL-CEL. Invance Rules Invances are team events. The entire point is to clear the map within a time limit. If you enter, you *must* help the team win. No sabotaging other players. Gatekeeper must never go AFK and must allow people through the gate. No AFKing for *any* reason, anywhere. No leaving the map (with the exception of a quick restock) for any reason and then come back near the end just for the experience. If you must AFK, you must exit the invance and not return. This is not an event to farm bosses, serp other players, train a/d, stand around at the gate while others do the work, or go AFK. If you bring more than one character, all characters need to be actively fighting at all times. Do not show up just for the bosses or run over to the boss spawns to wait for them before it even starts. If you do not get experience (undercappers or maxed 178ers), you cannot go and cherry pick what mobs you want then leave. You must go in good gear - "good" will depend on the range and will be more flexible for the lower ranges. You are not helping the team if you show up in leathers/augs, iron swords, and training arrows, no matter how high your stats are. If you go *only* as an archer and will not do melee, you must have reasonably high AP, must not use training arrows, and must come down from the walls and continue to range in the field when those mobs are gone. Plan to shoot approximately 300 arrows (or 200 with Ethereal Ranger perk/bow). Observers are allowed but you must not clutter the channel with chat, are not allowed to cherry pick mobs to kill, and are not allowed to pick up bags. You must not get in the way or inconvenience those who fight. This also applies to alts of team members who are not in range. If you see someone breaking these rules, report them via the #abuse command immediately while the invance is still going on. It's difficult to check it out if you report it two days later. **Lower ranges (40-60 and 60-80) do not have the archery and gear requirements. **Breaking these rules can result in you being banned from invances.