mihaim Report post Posted November 24, 2004 Due to the large amount of chat date i have to filter and the local hour ( 3: 41 am ) i will post the meeting log during the day . A big "Thank you" to all who participated at this first conference. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mihaim Report post Posted November 24, 2004 Meeting report. I removed the PM messages i got ( and i got a lot ) Rogue: rule 1) who wants to speak will get 5 minutes for it. He will get on stage and he will speak his ideeas Rogue: rule 2 ) no spamming is allowed . no flaming is allowed Rogue: rule 3) who missbehave or talk while a spoker sais his ideead will get muted or booted Rogue: rule 4) at the end of the meeting one of the ppl who will speak will have a surprise neoharvester: what about the summoning system? its been changed Rogue: neohar no . i don't think so Aoshi: let the mods speak!!!!!!! Rogue: not the mods will speak Rogue: you ppl will speak Rogue: 2 more rules Rogue: the person who is allowed to speak will come on stage Rogue: who will speak first .when i will ask Rogue: you will have to PM me Rogue: when we will start . Rogue: ok Rogue: meeting will start now . i'll explain one more time the rules Rogue: 1) no flames . Rogue: 2) keep quiet while the spokesman is on stage Rogue: 3) requests for speaking are alowed if a spokesman is not on stage Rogue: 4) only constructive ideeas Rogue: 5) everyone that will speak will have at most 5 minutes Rogue: ok . We begin . Pm me who wants to be the first to speak TirasHazor laughs at the spam Rogue gets. Rogue: ryuu Rogue: come on stage Rogue: ok . stop pming me now Rogue: and let's listen to ryuu Ryuu: i think that the new harvesting system makes it harder for new players that will fuel the games econemy in the long run Ryuu: because it is much harder to level up as a newbie Ryuu: so the people that already have good equipment and levels (like me, not) Ryuu: have a big advantage Ryuu: so perhaps speed it up a touch TirasHazor: What kind of advantage? people keep saying higher levels have an advantage, but won't say what it is. Ryuu: and use something else Besides EFe for tit long and chain Ryuu: maybe a new monster drop? Ryuu: erm... Ryuu: thats all i can think of thanx everyone for listening Rogue: ty ryuu Rogue: Next person that wants to speak ? Mike_Playa: me Rogue: mike_playa Rogue: come on stage Mike_Playa: First of all Id like to thank Rogue for calling this meeting Mike_Playa: I have many suggestions, for example. Killing alot of animals b4 u can even try killing monsters isn't fun Mike_Playa: it would be alot better if you started out a little bit stronger Mike_Playa: and monsters were weaker Mike_Playa: The prices are also much too high Rogue: prices in the stores ? or on NPC's ? TirasHazor: There will be more creature additions in the future, the only things I know of are imps and brownies. both will be rather weak. :p Mike_Playa: i cannot speak on the matter of harvesting, for I am not a harvester, but i will say this-having Mike_Playa: to read all those books b4 u can harvest ores can geyt rather tedious Mike_Playa: And the buddy list would be a very nice feature, and possibly an improved magic and summonng system TirasHazor: The buddy list will be added. Magic will be improved in the future. athenaa: ok :D Rogue: ok mike time is up . Ty verry much Aoshi: can i speak now pls Mike_Playa: Also, it would be cool if there were some kind of guild-like feature for n00bs under 20, Mike_Playa: thank you athenaa: can i speak TirasHazor: wait. :P TirasHazor: What do you mean by that, mike? Mike_Playa: by what? TirasHazor: By a guild-like feature for newer people? Mike_Playa: Well, guilds are only for people with one skill higher than 20, right? Rogue: right TirasHazor: Yes, that's so people don't make 34023847204872 characters, and add them all to their own guild. :X Mike_Playa: Well many a time I have found myself wishing for a system similair to this for n00bs. Rogue: okidokie TirasHazor: What sort of system? Mike_Playa: the same type of thing TirasHazor: Guilds for newbies? :X Mike_Playa: so that people feel like they're actually part of a community Aki: he got a point there HestiA: i agree w/ that freeone3000: me too Kougria: me too Rogue: yep Aoshi: so do i blackcomplex: well dont mike 2DeeP: i disagree blackcomplex: done* neoharvester: not I sorta ChowRiit: it wouldn't work, a basic ammount of game knowledge is required to actually be in a guild - once they have a skill in the 20s, its only after a few dauys reall Mike_Playa: thank you, and I'm sure they're are ways so that wut Tiras said does't happen. Mike_Playa: Maybe some sort of test? i don't know Rogue: Silance Rogue: who wants to go next ? Pm me ... Mike_Playa: okay thank you ill sit now Rogue: kougria Kougria: ok Kougria: ok i have suggestions about the recent update Kougria: i think the harv and manu thing should be sped up Kougria: it would be great if it was Kougria: you should let trik still buy iron shields but lower the amount he pays not completely get rid of em Kougria: dont make efe needed for so many things like tit long and chain, use something else if u want Kougria: and bring #beam me up back i thought it was really helpful Rogue: in what things should be used EFE ? TirasHazor: It's gone? :X Kougria: like more fe TirasHazor: That's only in certain maps, Freeone.. read it right :p Kougria: or diff ess something like that Kougria: or make efe less rare TirasHazor: Enriched Fire Essences. Vegar: can we do the questions when she's done speaking? Rogue: yes. questions after she finishes Kougria: those r my suggestions i hope they help, i liked the game alot before, but it takes way too long to harv or make something now Rogue: ty kougria Rogue: questions / answers now Ryuu: well done kourgria Korgan: The description of serp stone. It says "titanium weapons and armor". Titanium chain could use a serp stone instead of EFE. ChowRiit: would a new harder to make essence, requiring high level alchemy, be a good replacement for EFEs in some items? Ryuu: 1 question i have is why lower prices trik buy for, that will just worsen the problem of badly priced equip, especialy with the newbies athenaa: i think if efe was less rare i wouldnt mind it needed for tit long and chain and such Tyre77: yea the_antiroot: My thoughts exactly. you stole my speech. only missed the nock on effect slow harv has to all other making skills ChowRiit: or how about making EFE's success level based to a degree? Rogue: chowriit : i don't know . we are gathering ideeas here Lazton: excellent suggestion korgan Rogue: it's a brain storming meeting legolasbrother: And if everyone had plates it would get pretty boring zyphrexi: it should be based upon level sirjackpong: alot of ppl alreadsy took my idea Vegar: well, either less rare EFE, or a completely new item that's not very rare, but still rare zyphrexi: the greater the level the greater the chance, it's only logical Korgan: 1 stone for chain and long sword, 2 for serpent sword. That should make everything sufficiently hard to obtain. sirjackpong: compltely new iteams Lazton: i think korgan said it best, make tit stuff use serp stones Ryuu: i agree EFE should be 1/5k or 1/2.5k with art perk 2DeeP: what vegar said Rogue: okidokie Shoarmakip: i agree a lill on the make efe less rare.... Rogue: please be quiet now Rogue: i'll let korgan speak Rogue: come on stage Korgan: Anyway, as I was saying. Korgan: Currently we have a lot of serp stones thanks to many fighters in the game. Korgan: With the current speed of manufacturing, making essences is slow. If titanium chain and long sword used 1, and serp 2... Korgan: We'd get rid of excess stones, and make titanium chain and long sword sufficiently hard to obtain. neoharvester: ya ya ya, cya people Korgan: Since it is now possible to get a stone from harvesting, you don't have to be a fighter to get a titanium item. Korgan: That's basically what I wanted to say. More uses for the serp stones, after all the description does say "titanium weapons and armor". Korgan: I've chattered enough, I usually let you tall folk do the chatterin'. Now I need swig of some strong dwarven ale, I'm done speaking. :) Korgan: May I step down? Rogue: yes Rogue: quiet please Rogue: next person to speak ? Mike_Playa: I think we should hav these meetings more often Rogue: elf_god Rogue: you will all get the turn to speak elf_god: ok alot of things i have been wantin to say elf_god: first off i do believe thay should make the game bigger more maps more animals or something monsters ya know more weps and stop maken it harder elf_god: it is hard enough levelin with out teleportin elf_god: and noobs that all thay have is to harvest to make fire ess or just sell vegs like i did along time ago its to hard for them now elf_god: when that 20 hp taken from them kills them and so on elf_god: i think the game shouldnt just be all around fightin everything you do you have to fight in some way or another TirasHazor: Mm..not everyone likes to fight. :/ elf_god: i think you should be able to have other things that take up your time fightin what the game is all around i like to summon and you have to fight to summon elf_god: so just make the game bigger i say more things to do more maps ya know and less on maken it hard Aki: that will be for p2p but not for the free server ChowRiit: no, thats what makes this game good - its not 100% combat. If i just wanted to kill stuff, I'd go play EQ2. Trading skills is WHY a lot of ppl play this... elf_god: i talked to a olf friend volta that poped in to talk and he said the teleportin was the last straw and he stoped playin alot of people did elf_god: it's just gettin crazy how hard things get elf_god: i know alot of people stay in this game because thay have friends and thay dont want to leave them other then that the harvestin things would drive them out elf_god: and i think the more people the better elf_god: you seen how everyone was when we got the C.wolf happy and so on make it bigger people like that elf_god: i mean dont make it to easy but when it's to hard ..and really when your a noob you dont want to play it elf_god: that's all i really have to say any questions on that Rogue: ty elf_god Rogue: quiet Rogue: who wants to go next ? Rogue: athenaa elf_god: it gettin harder is a prob but it was already hard and it's ok to make it a little hard to give you a reason to play for that next level TirasHazor: Everyone will..it might just take a while :p athenaa: ok athenaa: on the note of the new update athenaa: i like the update i would like the harvest sped up a notch or to athenaa: i would like to see more monsters eventualy athenaa: maybe new spells and such athenaa: wich im sure yall have planned in the future TirasHazor: There will be at least 8 more for the F2P version, Athenaa. athenaa: :D athenaa: also athenaa: i think there should be shops that are cheaper but more dangerous to get to so there are other advantages for the mm perk athenaa: maybe have quests where you can get magic items in the future but you gotta put alot of thought into quest.. athenaa: evenutlay athenaa: i would like to have maybe a 1/alot of a chance to mine special jewels or somthing other then serps athenaa: and maybe link them to new armor/weapons athenaa: somehow athenaa: maybe have a guild war mod athenaa: like once a week athenaa: where u cant lose your items though in that 1 guild war athenaa: and winning guild gets a reward athenaa: gold/ items or wut ever athenaa: i have more ideas but i gtg soon so any questsions? TirasHazor: I'm not sure items would be a best reward.. Maybe a ranking system, of some sort, that would be shown on the website or by an NPC, that would show the best gui TirasHazor: guilds? :p Rogue: ty athenaa athenaa: no problem Lazton: best guilds at fighting you mean athenaa: thanks gu ys Tyre77: i agree with tiras TirasHazor: I mean, who won the most battles, yes. Rogue: Who wants to be next ? Rogue: sirjack sirjackpong: yay, dam , wait, ok sirjackpong: i suggest u lower the prices of stuff cuz i cant afford basically nothing good sirjackpong: and plus i do not no wat the hell u guys talkni about Rogue: prices on NPC ? sirjackpong: wat in the dam word is a serp stone sirjackpong: sup sirjackpong: ? TirasHazor: A Serpent Stone is an item that monsters drop, and can be found while mining things, it's used in making the Titanium Serpent Sword. sirjackpong: c thats wat i dotn no wat u talkin about Lazton: it looks like an emerald Rogue: ok . and the sugestions ? sirjackpong: and kate wanted to tell ug yus she wanted to speak sirjackpong: guys* sirjackpong: wat is the price for the serp sword sirjackpong: i need ot no sirjackpong: really sirjackpong: every1 keep sellnig it to me for 15k-20k Rogue: this is not the place to ask for prices Rogue: ty verry much sirjackpong: oh srry sirjackpong: [censored] this blackcomplex: be nice sirjackpong: ops Rogue: u may step down TirasHazor: Channel 3, actually, Tyre, we in channel 1 ain't gunna know. :P sirjackpong: u didnt hear that sirjackpong: oh ya the harv thing sped up sirjackpong: *playing john cena song* word life sirjackpong: u cant c me!!!!! Rogue: quiet please sirjackpong: ya wat he said Rogue: sirjake ty for your words sirjackpong: [censored] u sirjackpong: jk Rogue: who wants to go next ? Rogue: phenic Phenic: well first of all, I'd like you all to know i'm a newbie speaking here Phenic: i've been playing 7 days Rogue: sorry about that Phenic: that's 45 minutes left to do other things Phenic: new folks harvest faithfully Phenic: it's the main xp for about 15 levels Phenic: this has unbalanced the game severely Phenic: it's not because all the players have plate and serps Phenic: it's because the newbie has to work over 4 times as hard today than a week ago Phenic: the unpopular solution would be a total reset Phenic: yes, older players have worked very hard for their items and stats Phenic: but killing off the newbies will kill the entire game Phenic: as a temporary solution i suggest putting autoharvest on a toggle Phenic: if that can't be done, then please drastically reduce the TIME.. it shouldn't matter WHAT you are harvesting so long ad it's in the level Phenic: i've been through the death of several mmorpg, and i'd hate to see this one go Phenic: as of today, there's a massive divide between the old and new players Phenic: the old equipment or stats need to be dealt with Phenic: no as i said Phenic: i'm only a week old Phenic: i have seps and as much money as i want Phenic: but if i were starting today Phenic: i'd have a lot harder time of it Phenic: i had a lot more to say but that's all that's on topic and i've run my time Rogue: ok phenic . ty verry much Rogue: now Rogue: Anastasia will speak Rogue: and after her TirasHazor Anastasia: Alright, I'd like to begin by saying that I am speaking on behalf of Daxon. None of these ideas are my own. Anastasia: The current system of harvesting will lead to economic inflation. Anastasia: Fighters will continue to get rich initially while others suffer, but eventually they'll find that they have no one to sell those rare drops to. Anastasia: The implentation of the time limit for harvesting was a direct change which will only make the economy worse. If you want to combat deflation, you do NOT Anastasia: implent a direct change. Anastasia: You must implement and indirect change. Anastasia: For example, the required levels for harvesting could be increased by 25 levels or so. Anastasia: This would help dramatically with the hinderance of the deflation problem. Anastasia: The new formulas requiring EFEs should be done away with. Anastasia: Again, this is a direct change, and it will hit manufacturers hard. Anastasia: If you're looking to reduce the amount of money in cirulation, then eliminate the money that can be gained indefinitely. Anastasia: This could be done by lowering Trik's buying prices, and by limiting NPCs' buy/sell rates per day, or at least the buy rates. Anastasia: For example, you can only sell 5 items to Trik in one in-game day. Anastasia: Another idea is how to reinforce, to a degree, the recommended levels for alchemy, manufacturing, and crafting (and perhaps other skills). Anastasia: Let's say you were trying to make essences and you failed; there would be a 1/100 chance of damaging yourself. Anastasia: "You hurt yourself with the alchemic process! Owie!" TirasHazor: "The fire essence explodes in your face!"? :p Anastasia: That's it for my oratorical on Daxon's ideas. Comments? :D Phenic: I can see wto problems with limiting npc buying Anastasia: Phenic, yes? Phenic: if you limit npc buying and selling, you would have to make sure it's on an individual level Phenic: otherwise you'll have people camping the npc on the hour Daxon: Sorry.. camping an NPC? An in-game day is 12 hours. Phenic: and you'll have people creating new accounts to siphon off goods to sell to trik the_antiroot: How about triks prices getting sceled down as you sel, say (per day) first 5 swords at 500 gp, next 5 at 400, next 5 at 300 etc, till the next game day Phenic: yes Mike_Playa: and 25 more lvls? Daxon: Nobody is gonna stand by Trik for 12 hours and wait. Mike_Playa: seriously Phenic: say trick only can buy 100 of each thing each hour Phenic: some people will Daxon: Mike, 25 more levels is better than what it is now. blackcomplex: next thing i know ill trip over a rock and die Phenic: seriously, if there's a way to sneak ahead people will do it Daxon: Now, you can wait a minute for 2 tit ore or whatever the_antiroot: you start to trip over a rock.... Daxon: or have a chance to make more, even if you have a horrible fail rate blackcomplex: u get hit 1000 mats and die Rogue: okidokie Phenic: if all the levels are raised how will noobs do it? Daxon: Also, the +25 rule would only apply to ores and minerals, not fruits and flowers. Rogue: ty ana Tyre77: success rate should be highered Phenic: why? that's fine as is Rogue: ok hazor go TirasHazor: One of the biggest problems with the game is that it's not newbie-friendly. TirasHazor: Personally, I wouldn't want to play a game where all I could do was die to rabbits or flower bushes.. TirasHazor: While, yes, they are killable, if you don't use your pick points, it'll be extremely hard. And nothing tells you to use them, right off the bat.. TirasHazor: And books need to be rarer. :P if I, a potion maker, has EASY access to the knowledge of the best weapon in the game, something is wrong.. TirasHazor: People can't get rid of the books they have, because everyone already has them.. TirasHazor: As for harvesting, Slowing resources isn't the best way to go about attempting to balance the economy, if you ask me.. TirasHazor: Slowing the manufacturing process, and, if needed, to compensate, raise the amount of experience you get for making things, by a small amount. TirasHazor: Um TirasHazor: It shouldn't be slowed for everything, though, just things like hammering a bunch of metal into a blade would take a while, but making an essences shouldn't ta TirasHazor: take so long. Soldus: absolutely right hazor :D TirasHazor: So yea, that's all. Rogue: okidokie Phenic: As for making it more newbie friendly - there needs to be a more gradual curve especially with fighting Rogue: who wants to go next ? Rogue: kawaii Barnak: How about a newbie school? TirasHazor: Barnak, that's what newbie island would be.. kawaii: hi kawaii: i think that with the new system and trying to stop macroers they will find a new way to do it kawaii: everyone says to make game noobie friendly but what about keeping players kawaii: not saying to make it to easy, but in playing this game for a year, i have seen a lot of changes kawaii: i just think there has to be a better way. to much changes takes fun out of game and now we are left to sit around and chat kawaii: not only did they hender the harvest but alc, pots and manu also kawaii: thus making it almost impossible for new players to achieve lvls kawaii: if the changes were made to stop the macroing, isnt there a program for that? TirasHazor: This change wasn't. kawaii: so it is all about money? Rogue: this update was mainly about mass producing kawaii: it hurts everyone kawaii: maybe put a cape like harvesting 120 on all pots alc.. kawaii: cap.. not cape kawaii: that was we can still make the items we need to maintain our game but not over populate TirasHazor: Ehm.. not sure a limit so low would work too well, it'd throw even more people to fighting.. kawaii: ppl are going to fight, the same ppl in kf all the time kawaii: the same ppl are manus only noobs have to make the choice yet kawaii: and right now game is not noob friendly kawaii: or "old" friendly kawaii: i am done. Rogue: ok Rogue: I will speak now Rogue: first thing Rogue: i agree is hard for newbs and sometimes for the high level players Rogue: with the current system Rogue: what i would like to see is the notion of Aprentice Rogue: a high level player should take under his wind a newb Rogue: and guide him till the newb get's to level 20 Rogue: and as reward a number of experience points should be given Rogue: some guilds does this already without the reward from the game :) Soldus: i suggested that for the karma system, reward karma points, not xp tho Rogue: but doing this will get more ppl toghether and will fill the gaps Rogue: about harvesting / manufacturing . yes i think that wait formula should change Rogue: i already posted 2 examples on forums Rogue: this kind of comunity meetings should be more ofen because in the end the game is for the comunity Rogue: and comunity should be involved more in the development process Rogue: the wait time for some items should be lower Rogue: for example BR/SR/health ess Soldus: and FEs... Anastasia: What do you mean the wait time? Rogue: this ones affects directly not only fighters but harvesters as well Rogue: yes and Fe's Anastasia: What do you mean the wait time? Rogue: wait time = delay :) Anastasia: And why should it be lowered? Phenic: it affects all economic participants.. time at base is exponential effect (sorry for interupting) Aki: It's boring to wait Rogue: it should be lowered because those items are consumed at a verry high rate Soldus: you have like 3 seconds delay now, 1 second to make the essence PLUS 3 seconds delay...makes the time to make them increase by 400% Rogue: for example i consume when fighting 250 HE and 35 pots in 20 minutes Rogue: and i hardly can make 250 He and 35 pots in the same amount of time Rogue: i will try to make this kind of meetings after every update Rogue: i will let 1 or 2 days to acomodate and see the changes Rogue: and then i'll do a meeting like this Rogue: and gather the feedback Rogue: this is what i had to say Rogue: ty all for listening Rogue: now ... Rogue: who wants to be next ? Rogue: aitrus Aitrus: :) Aitrus: Greetings everyone Aitrus: Today i will be quick and to the point Aitrus: first up, the latest update Aitrus: ok, well i hate it, i hate everything about it Aitrus: i know you wont change it but here are some ideas to make it more user friendly Rogue: no flaming ...pls Aitrus: it was only to get to a point rogue,s o you know where i stand Aitrus: I know this has been suggested before but a toggle button would be wonderfull for the harvesting TirasHazor: Ehm.. define "toggle" button? to switch back to like the old system? TirasHazor: Not to shoot anything down, but that'd defeat the point entirely. :X TirasHazor: Everyone would switch to the old way, because it'd..just be easier. :/ Phenic: As a temporary measure it'd help (sorry) Phenic: you've seen the outcry Aitrus: =\ the auto harvester is horrible, this could get me in trouble but im moving, and i was harvesting vegetable Aitrus: i clicked it, packed 4 boxes and came back adn i wasnt done Aitrus: titanium i cant mine anymore Aitrus: i get 1 a minute, its not worth it Aitrus: i have to mine lupines and get tiny amounts of exp Aitrus: this latest update makes me and alot of people i know want to quit Aitrus: three of my friends have quit because of it already Aitrus: as said by another person "if i wanted to play a fighting game, id play mechwarrior" Aitrus: as another person said Aitrus: "every update latly has made things longer, harder or boring, the mods and admins have adapted a "fun nazi" policy" Rogue playing nazi :) Aitrus: and id like to finish it off with this, im quitting in 1 week, because i cant stand this update, unless things change Aitrus: alot of people here will be no more Aitrus: Thank you all Rogue: okidokie Rogue: who wants to go next ? Rogue: roc Roc: Ok, I was unfortunatly AFk A bit, if I am repeating anything I apologize Roc: I think that the new harvesting system is a good idea, however it does need a few tweaks. My Ideas Include Roc: 1. Harvest speed should be level based. Manufacturing as well. Someone with a low harvest will invariably harvest more slowly than someone who has a high harve Roc: 2. Some items should be a different speed due to the difficulty of harvesting. Harvesting a vegetable should be easy to harvest, and Tit Ore should be much slo Roc: 3. Harvesting speed should slow down the longer someone is harvesting in one continuous sitting. Sort of like the harvesting exp limit, the more you harvest in Roc: one hour, the slower you get Roc: 4. Now that harvesting is much slower anyways, Teleport nexus should be abolished. It was implemented to slow people down, now we have something else Roc: 5. Adding the gloves for sulfur is a great idea, but it should also be carried further for items like roses as well. They should have thorns right? Roc: 6. Perks Such as artificer and excavator should have an effect on speed of harvesting and creating something as well TirasHazor: on 4, it wasn't for slowing people down so much as messing up macroers. Roc: Since the items now take longer to make, instead of taking food from person all at once, why not increase the amount of food being consumed while creating the Roc: items Roc: As for the swords now requiring EFE, that is sorta silly in my opinion. It is going to result in EFE price going thru the roof which is fine with me, since I h Roc: articer but lower level players are gonna hate the idea cause the values of those weapons will skyrocket. Just lengthen the time it takes to create, add more Roc: ingredients, and/or add more items required Roc: Or increase the level/failure rate of making items Roc: I would also like to see more low/mid level enemies. I'm tired of killing rats/beavers/rabbits to get my levels up. I want a larger variety Roc: Next, what's with the wood weapons, Why can't we make them, or our own tools like pickaxes. Let's make a larger variety of items to manufacture/craft. Roc: Just rings for crafting, that get's boring TirasHazor: Like I said, there's planned to be at least 8 more creatures for the F2P version. Roc: Now for the fun stuff. Let's see more quests. I'd like something more to do. And let's see more places to buy sell some things. Only way to get Vials is to Roc: go see Harvy? I also agree with more maps Roc: Let's see more spells, and with more creatures, more summoning Roc: I would also like to see a way to keep track of people, see when they are online and watch for when they login Roc: Is it possible to have items repaired? If not, it should be. If I can make it from scratch, I should be able to repair it Roc: Would it be possible to add in game Bright/contrast controls? Rogue: items repaired it is possible Roc: That's my few ideas for the time being, and as for people quitting cause of an update, Boohoo, grow up and get over it. Games change and evolve or they Roc: get boring and you quit anyways TirasHazor: A buddy list will be implemented, as has been said, along with a better magic system. Phenic: When? Roc: Ok, those are my points thanks TirasHazor: And items can be repaired by an NPC named Tenkel, in Morcraven, after you get his daughter healed. Phenic: Please don't save everything for p2p :/ I understand more monsters is a big attraction but you'll start losing players through boredom/difficulty kawaii: put noobs in a noob guild Mike_Playa: TH u mean like clubs? that wood work Phenic: but the problem is it's not coming soon Phenic: there need to be additions in the mean time Korgan: I have to ask. F2P? Fun To Play version? TirasHazor: F2P = Free 2 play. TirasHazor: Fun 2 play would be nice. :D slashwarrior: oh ok Rogue: i'm quite tired . this was a long ,long meeting . so will be 3 more persons who will talk Mike_Playa: and harvesing wood Rogue: horth is first , second is blackcomplex and third is aoshi Horth: Hey all, hows everyone ... I got some ideas ... not sure if this will work, but its a try Horth: First off, with the newbies who have problems attacking rabbits and stuff, can you notdo the npc quest to become a weapon? TirasHazor: You need to kill 10 rabbits/beavers to get that sword. TirasHazor: Adyna, I'm not sure that was the time for that. >.> Horth: Well mabey we should leave the beavers out and put rats into it Phenic: Rats are harder at that age :s Horth: they are? they semmed easier for me TirasHazor: They are, Horth. Horth: The other idea with getting money, how bout you can get items for less and sell them for more if your under the overall level of 20 or so, mabey lower Horth: so its easier to start off TirasHazor: People would make characters and do that, then trade to their other characters.. Horth: Only works on the newbie island? Horth: and if you reach a level you get kicked out Horth: or you can skip it and take one the challenge Horth: on* slashwarrior: can i addin? track ips so not to many multiing slashwarrior: that would get rid of the make new problem Horth: yeah, and forbid to reset except if you got a extremly good reason TirasHazor: There's people banned for it every other day.. there's no way to stop it entirely. Soldus: you can't ban an entire dorm with 20 EL players for having the same IP... Phenic: I wouldn't forbid or charge for a reset slashwarrior: brb Phenic: if you messed up badly and were unable to play properly or make money Phenic: what if you were 'denied'? neoharvester: how about look at stats and allow resets? Horth: Ok, a other idea is that we have a real market system, not sure if that works. The more people sell of the item the less value it gets and the less people buy Rogue: let the man speak .... slashwarrior: access there account then see if they really do need a reset Horth: or sell it the higher the prize. This reset ever time it hits 0:00:00 Roc: Make the RESET Only allowable after a certain Lvl. A person has to put effort into character before they can reset Phenic: What does this 'real market system' replace? Phenic: sorry Phenic: unclear on that to me :s Mike_Playa: if they are new and decide they made a bad choice... Mike_Playa: sry... shutting up Horth: no Mike, speak Horth: Phenic, the current one...the prizes always the same and some to high Phenic: you mean npc or the player driven trading? Horth: npc Rogue: npc are all the same Mike_Playa: okay, well if a n00b harvester is going to hell because he didn't put ne effort into a/d, he'll want to reset Roc: How bad of a mistake can someone make before lvl 10 perhaps. Have to get to lvl 10 before reset Rogue: no variation yet Rogue: it's on ToDo list Horth: k, sry about that then Phenic: Roc: I've been in a game where we had to pay to reset Rogue: will be implemented in near future hopefully Phenic: it got so bad, because i couldn't fight mobs, couldn't make money to reset myself Mike_Playa: welll... lvl 10 isn't bad Phenic: had to start all over after 90 levels Horth: With the manufacturing thing, the less expierence the higher failing and more food ...time does not matter. And you cant manufactur near a food area Horth: The harvesting has to go away, it takes me 3 times the time to harvest saphire then before Rogue: ok Rogue: time up Horth: I thank you all of listening Horth: and good luck in the game and keep up the meetings Rogue: blackcomplex Rogue: u are on blackcomplex: alright well im not gonna repeat whats already been sed so this may be a little short most of waht i wanted to say has been coverd blackcomplex: for one thing i think there needs to be some kind of goals blackcomplex: when i play a game i need something to strive for blackcomplex: say like a specail thing once i got good at like manuing blackcomplex: or like once ive done all the quests blackcomplex: and i think there needs to be a game plot blackcomplex: alot fo people come here for good roleplaying TirasHazor: Define plot? Rogue: a game plot in mmrpg ? Rogue: verry hard to do blackcomplex: not such as a plot TirasHazor: Not impossible, but extrmely hard. :P blackcomplex: but quests that build on eachother TirasHazor: There already is 2. :p Will be more.. blackcomplex: yes but there needs to be more blackcomplex: like what is EL blackcomplex: where did it come from blackcomplex: all of that stuff blackcomplex: i mena i know theres all those books blackcomplex: but peopole arent goign to read those TirasHazor: Check the storylines forum for that info. :P blackcomplex: the storylines should be applided in the game more blackcomplex: i think there should be more of a structure blackcomplex: maybe we could all own are own houses at a very high cost blackcomplex: maybe people could open there own markets TirasHazor: Problem being, mr. lore-keeper isn't a programmer, and has no server access for that, Learner/Cicero have to be the ones to put in the NPC's and stuff.. blackcomplex: yes i know blackcomplex: but im sure u guys play a good role in what they do TirasHazor: You've just as much say in anything as we. :p blackcomplex: i mean but dont u agree to presevere el we need to strength the cominity blackcomplex: its rare to see mean people or scammers in this game blackcomplex: because its its strong comunity blackcomplex: but once its poularity grows blackcomplex: people like that will come blackcomplex: and without a stong community and a growing one blackcomplex: then el could have the fate of some other games out there blackcomplex: the main reason i play is the great strcute and community blackcomplex: and i hope that they contunue to devolop accordinly blackcomplex: i also belive there should be some more stuff in this game TirasHazor: There will, dernit people;p blackcomplex: more natural reasources to build other things blackcomplex: i also dont like the new harvest system blackcomplex: i miserwell not worry about gatherign diamonds and tit ore anymore blackcomplex: its to hard and much to boring blackcomplex: but i knwo this ia a beta game blackcomplex: things are going to change blackcomplex: and im ready for them Rogue: the problem is about being hard ? or being bored ? blackcomplex: my main consern is it that it is for the comunity blackcomplex: to hard for sure neoharvester: boredom blackcomplex: being it hard makes it boeing since ther isnt really a fun in watching my lil guy collect tit ore once 1 min blackcomplex: my main consern about this whole update is the slow harvesting system and my concern that the community will weaken blackcomplex: and oh yes one other thing blackcomplex: it seems that the random events are getting harsher and more devastating blackcomplex: i mean not to be sarcastic but as the rate its going now if u think abut it we will be getting hurt from everything making it very boring for the newguys blackcomplex: and we arent the future of El blackcomplex: the noobs are blackcomplex: and the people who aer soon to come are blackcomplex: we must make it a better world and place for them blackcomplex: if we want it to be better for us blackcomplex: and so ends my comment the_antiroot: we are as much a part of els future as noobs Aoshi claps and/or cheers neoharvester: *clap clap* blackcomplex: true anti blackcomplex: but we are few blackcomplex: they are many Rogue: ty verry much for the comments Rogue: aoshi will be next and i will have the final word before the meeting is over Aoshi: ok Aoshi: my first statement is that el is a gigantic community that must be preserved Aoshi: we must make noobs feel ok here, not hated by the game programmers Aoshi: if they have such a low harvest rate they will not play. they must harvest to do everything in el, to alch u need to harv etc Aoshi: but if they cant harvest they wont do anything, and theyll quit Aoshi: i am working on making noobs feel okay here, i have an army for noobs that lets stronger palyers give them things and help them Aoshi: i have about 11 players in my army, we all help eachother and keep el a safe, good community Aoshi: if we are the only ones doing this el will colapse, beacause noobs will leave, and we will not be able to keep el intact Aoshi: im not done yet rogue Rogue: kk Aoshi: kudos to silk, who do things like us, and keep el togetehr slashwarrior: yes i almost quit because after the tutorial i didnt kno what to do next blackcomplex: well said slashwarrior: i suggest u guys make a after the tutorial getting started thing Aoshi: if the economy falls apart no1 will play Aoshi: but i feel that enhancing the dificulty of things a tad bit from what it used to be will make others more aware Aoshi: people will take into notice that fes are not worth as much as other things and the prices will go down Aoshi: players make thousands off of fes alone so why cant we make it toughher Aoshi: noty to the point of boredom but to make the game more fun Aoshi: i spoke to som1 who had a tit short thermal Aoshi: i asked him how much it was and he said 65usd Aoshi: i asked him if u could buy it w/ el money but u cant Aoshi: the economy could really use some magic swords as monster drops from say a boss monster, that would help us a .lot Aoshi: well Aoshi: if we incorporated stronger monsters and also more medium animals the game could be more fun Aoshi: u didnt speak? Aoshi: ill stop then Aoshi: wow Aoshi: thx for hearing me!!!!!!! slashwarrior: like sort of a lottery slashwarrior: second slashwarrior: um slashwarrior: well theres stage fright imdone slashwarrior: lol slashwarrior: forgot what i was gonna say slashwarrior: if you are being a good person slashwarrior: helping people out and all slashwarrior: you should be like rewarded with some sort of slashwarrior: like mini game inside a game so blackcomplex: :) slashwarrior: that more people would help the noobs TirasHazor: They'd only do it for those things. :P slashwarrior: if u hav like the best score slashwarrior: and the prize would go to the person with the most points slashwarrior: oh oops slashwarrior: ok slashwarrior: mods see a person hewlpin some1out slashwarrior: they giv s/he a token of some sort slashwarrior: uses at a minigame staionplace slashwarrior: and then gets tickets depending on score slashwarrior: and at the end of week slashwarrior: u get a prize if ur the best slashwarrior: or slashwarrior: u can tradin tickets for prizes slashwarrior: say hav a shop that needs tickets instead of gc slashwarrior: well im done blackcomplex: good job slash blackcomplex: it was very good blackcomplex: i liked it vwery well presentation ====================================================== Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lyanna Report post Posted November 25, 2004 (edited) With regards to the requests for more monsters, more maps, more items and more quests - the main problem with those is that it takes a longer time to create them than to tweak the system. It doesn't mean that they're not being worked on, but systems work can just be done faster, so you see their effects more often. Alternatively, the dev's could save all the changes for implementation in one massive update after another, containing everything, instead of small focused changes here and there. But that would mean a very long time between each update. Are you okay with that? Another thing to bring up about the items and monsters particularly is that because the skills are so dependent on each other, it would be best to set up a good system first, and THEN add items/monsters to it. Otherwise, if we add monsters/items first, and then later overhaul the system, those items/monsters would also have to be redone and rebalanced. Extra work. -Lyn- Edited November 25, 2004 by Lyanna Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aitrus Report post Posted November 25, 2004 Yay ^_^ i was very agressive o.o Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Learner Report post Posted November 25, 2004 We're also in the process of making it easier to change things, have more variety (even with the same monsters), enhance the existing maps, more improved quests, and other things to help keep the world more interesting for all sorts of different players. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
