Join Manu's On Strike!

[Arnieman]

I consider myself an alchemist/manufactor, and noting what became of the alchemist strike, and then the union, I will support any action to help the manufactors of this game to make a decent living.

 

Fixing the prices helped the alchemists. it can help the manufactors too.

[LochnessLobster]

The strike is broken. apparently when mrmind178 said keeping things off the market is a good way to raise prices, he meant for everyone but him.

[Mr.Mind]

The strike is broken.  apparently when mrmind178 said keeping things off the market is a good way to raise prices, he meant for everyone but him.

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I don't completely understand what you're talking about. I wasn't undercutting anyone. I've only been selling rare manu items since the strike began, and at the prices they should be sold at. Anything else I got was from crafting. There was no crafting strike.

 

I never said I fully supported the strike, but I didn't go against it.

[Guest stricks1]

Hey, i think we need have the objectives to the strike... ok up the prices, but how prices we need?

 

i think the better we can do is make a union.

 

Ok, to make a union, need first the tops manufaturers, ( first 5 or 10 in the top50), because this guys can make more "high level" equips, and only he can broke the union...

 

soo we join these guys, start a union, make own prices to sell, now we can recruiting more guys to join in the couse.

 

We can sell in the market with own prices, if any1 sell more cheap, easy, buy from the guy's price and sell for own prices... (remember, we have the tops, soo no have much of these "cheap equips" in the market. The better manufatures is in the union.)

 

Now we can organize this union, the better to leader is more than 1 ppl, the better manufatures in the cause.

 

That's my idea.

[Benvolio]

count me in, i am only selling to trik, does he count?

[Daejin]

Strike is over according to lochnesslobster? Any union formed yet? Anyone planning anything?

[dns_server]

ok if we are going to have a union we need a leader.

i'll do it if anyone else doesn't want to but i would prefer if someone more interested would step forward. Once we have a group of members and atleast a temporary leader we can start to get organized.

 

Post nominations for leader and intrests to join the union here.

[ttlanhil]

well, I'll be in, but I don't really have the time to be a major organiser. plus the fact that the times when I'm online are often rather quiet on EL (which means spawns are less crowded, bonus for me) so I'm probably not a good choice for the main contact point.

Also, it'd be great to have a lot of contact with whoever the craft/manu rep becomes (most likely Kougria, though Burnout and I have a very slight chance still. reference), as the manu (would we have craft as well as manu?) union would be representing a fair cut of the manu populace

Edited June 14, 2005 by ttlanhil

[Pyewacket]

 

I think the the key is to try and to slow down the amount of efe in the market, as well as ewe, serpent stones.

 

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I don't agree with your thinking, there. Makes it even HARDER for me to build up my manu exp and profits, and therefore develop a trade. Same for any new would-be manufacturer, in fact.

 

Hopefully the new monster attacks will improve things for me on the market channels, but reducing my chances of getting an efe sure as hell will not, that much I know. As it is, I made 3.5k of fe's in the last 2 days without getting a single efe, so IF you are gonna reduce my chances even more, then I will just plain give up now on the whole manu aspect, and change gods etc, to something that WILL allow me to build up a trade.

 

Heck even bagjumping *shudders* would be more profitable...

[ttlanhil]

well, actually, making anything that requires enriched essences rare certainly would jack up the price.

of course, since we have to pay more for ingredients, it helps those who make the essence, not the manu-ers. but the rise in price may increase our profit margin a bit.

 

what daejin was suggesting wasn't for the amount of enriched essences to be decreased, just that there be less on the market. if those on strike stockpile them, it's a lot harder for strike-breakers to make a lot of plate and such.

[Pyewacket]

what daejin was suggesting wasn't for the amount of enriched essences to be decreased, just that there be less on the market.

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And other than removing them from the stockpilers, surely the only way to reduce the amount on the market would be to reduce the amount which is actually made by alchemy? Which means cutting the enriched production rate, doesnt it?

 

If there is another way of doing it, then I withdraw my objections and apologise. If not, then I for one object to the lowering of enriched essence production rates.

 

Okies, thats my tuppence worth over with, I think.

[Daejin]

And other than removing them from the stockpilers, surely the only way to reduce the amount on the market would be to reduce the amount which is actually made by alchemy? Which means cutting the enriched production rate, doesnt it?

 

If there is another way of doing it, then I withdraw my objections and apologise. If not, then I for one object to the lowering of enriched essence production rates.

 

Okies, thats my tuppence worth over with, I think.

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Yes what i was referring to is that during the strike people get some of the efe out of the marketplace during the event. Which in turns makes less weapons/armor being made, which it turn drives up the price of items because they become more rare. I think efe as it is, is pretty much stable, with some occasions where people want to insist of buying them for 6k or less.

[Benvolio]

since lochness thought of this idea, shouldn't he be the leader?

 

also i think that we should have set prices for all items, and everyone in the manufacutre union WILL NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES go under these prices. b/c if we have all the manuers in the union, and say we say taht greaves are gonna sell for 12k and nothing under that, people will be forced to pay 12k or pay USD. so as long as we have set prices and everyone follows them, everyone in the guild will profit nicely

the only problem is, people who arent in the union that sell them for 10k......

well anyway thats my opinion

[Dent]

Any attempt to regulate a (semi-)open market by price fixing or rules is doomed to failure.

 

Unless the prices can be hard-coded in ( ) then there can be no regulation. The only way to affect prices is to change the supply of the items - making them more difficult to manu or making the ingredients more difficult to come by, or by changing the demand - making the durability of items more or less depending on how many are on the market.

 

But even then, as most buisnesses in the west have found, there is always someone willing to make things for cheaper. THere will always be someone making a load of something in order to level up. Once that is done, they will simply offer it up on the market. as things become rare, it will be profitable to mass produce items again, and the market will get flooded.

 

A union is not the way to go. Collective and socialist markets have been proved inneficient time after time in history. Capitalist markets less so. Free markets are the only ones that consistantly benefit both producers and consumers.

 

The idea of forming a union is nice for the social or community aspect, but for the market aspect, I would say keep your mitts off.

[ttlanhil]

except that if most people sell for a set price, which os reasonable, then there won't be a lot of supply at lower cost. the demand means that many people will have to pay the common price. it can work

[Pyewacket]

heh...let me know when you get 12k together then freddy

 

I have put some greaves aside especially for you.

[dns_server]

the purpose of forming a union is to formally define what the recomended prices for items should be, one of the main questions asked on channel 3 is how much the items are worth. if we do form a union we can get together and agree on what the prices should be.

 

atempting to regulate an open market does work if you get enough members.

CD's actually cost less than 10c to create but why do you pay more?

[LochnessLobster]

Well said dns_server

[ttlanhil]

Do we have anyone willing to step up to the task of setting up the union? I'd suggest tha they're on the top50 list, or at least close, experience in the skill is important.

but really, organisational skills will become more valuable than manu skills

Also, I like the idea of having the union cover both manu and crafting; the skills are really pretty similar and it will add a bit to the union

If no-one else steps up then I may do it; but I can't yet. there's plenty of time for other people to make suggestions(should the creation of the guild be a new thread, or is it okay as the natural follow-on here?)

 

also, input into suggested pricing (see sig) would be appreciated(there, of course, not here 8^P )

[Pyewacket]

Well...to my mind this is the type of thing that should come under the job description of the Manu/Crafting rep. After all it would certainly be in the best interests etc of the manufacturers and crafters as a whole.

 

However, if kougria is unable to take up this role as well and if no one else has any objections, I'd recommend Burnout for this role. He has not only the required skills (several top 50 appearances to my knowledge), but he also has an unbelieveable ability to co-ordinate and run projects of all sizes/ranges in EL. I have seen some of the things he has overseen, and am frankly staggered by the scale he occasionally works on.

 

Btw...he hasnt been on for a couple of days so he also has no idea that I am suggesting him for this role. Heh

 

(If u happen to see him online before I do and agree on him being the Union leader etc, please PLEASE break it to him GENTLY)

[dns_server]

seeing no one has directly come foward i will be temporary leader (but i don't want the job after it is started) if you have any idea's contact me and i will try and get things organized. i think the job does fit under the control of the manu rep to be the leader but we still need to get organized so i am takeing control while we form. contact me if you want to get involved and we will start to work through the issues.

if possible we need a website or something as a place to organize, perhaps on el.net but that also needs some discussion.

the price list IN THIS TOPIC also seem resonable but we do need some way of formally agreeing on what the prices should be and how we are going to get those prices.

[ttlanhil]

website and/or forum would probably be good. I think the setup the alchemists union has works okay.

el.net probably wouldn't work as well unless someone in the union has write access

the price list is still getting worked on, it's probably okay to take input from all EL forumers and not just those interested in the union, so I think where it is is okay

the union is probably something the rep needs to be aware of and involved in, but doesn't need to be under their control

I'll be more involved once exam time is over

[behindthemask08]

A manuers union would be great with union prices (just like the alchemists u.).

The hardest thing would be convincing everyone to join it. other ise the union price is worthless.

[Pyewacket]

I'd be in. Def0

[crannog]

i would like you to read this

link to a post i made

 

and urge others to do the same

 

Regards

 

Crann