jamincollins

Sorry, but the 30th objective is not the Mountain Chimeran, which is instead the 31st objective. It is in fact the Forest Chimeran in Willowvine. The reward is 9,000 Attack and Defense experience. I believe that makes me the first to post the correct information for the 30th objective.

The statements in this forum already back up my claim. There has already been at least one person that has posted here indicating that they had refrained from forum posting for this very reason. I myself have refrained from it in the past for that reason. I simply don't care enough about the game any longer to worry whether or not you'll ban me for telling you the truth. I'm sorry, but I will not out people by name that do not wish to be revealed, that is for them to decide. If you feel there is insufficient evidence, do what you feel you must.

With people afraid to voice their opinion for fear of potentially being banned (whether that fear is justified or not), you will never be able to have an open discussion on any topic. See above. Whether the discussion happens in game or in the forums, while players are afraid of being banned for voicing their opinions it will be impossible to have an open discussion. Who is saying that they could not post something following the rules? I don't recall reading anything along those lines. Instead what I read indicated that their fear is of getting banned for simply voicing their opinion. The short of it, right or wrong, is that there are players that are afraid to voice their opinion (in game or in forum) for fear of being banned for having done so. As long as this is the state of affairs, there will never be an open and honest discussion regarding anything in the game.

Just going on Entropy's own statement and asking for clarification. So, why don't we wait for actual clarification?

AFAIK, the NMT perk does not apply to tool breakage.

IIRC, Aeryn was a double blessed bot. With both blessing purchased in the same year. Based on this statement: Wouldn't the bot still have another two years before the renewal is needed?

I know some of you will remember my beloved wife Katryel (Rachel Collins) and her battle with melanoma (skin cancer). Your well wishes were extremely heartfelt and appreciated. Last night, Katryel passed away.

I want to thank you all for your comments and support. She really did enjoy the time we spent in EL.

Statement from Nardo concerning h-bags LoGG Guild Rules Of particular note in the LoGG guild rules (under Lost & Found): If you stumble upon a hidden hyperbag you can consider it a hidden treasure and yours. Our guild recently (9/2) had the pleasure of having a rather large hyperbag stolen by someone we thought we could trust (Sylvester of LoGG). We had worked around this player for quite some time, even helping him on occasion. Sylvester did not act alone. Two of his guildmates (Form and Suncie) assisted with taking the bag. The only modification in the following logs is the removal of the actual map name where this occurred. IM's between myself and a guildy To: just saw sylvester going toward the **** cave To: heading in to check it out From: hehehe From: sure I'll see him here soonish then To: just peeking in to see if our bag is ok chat between an -AR- guild member and Sylvester [16:36:50] [PM from Sylvester: hello. Im finally alive] [16:37:52] [PM to Sylvester: that really big FE bag you found in ****, is mine.] [16:38:38] [PM from Sylvester: ic. You spent some time on it I see =)] [16:39:21] [PM to Sylvester: Very, very much. Anyhow it took me 6,700gc in keys to find it; and it was missing 10k FE] [16:39:47] [PM from Sylvester: yep. I took about that much from it] [16:41:34] [PM to Sylvester: So do I meet you at a STO for the FE, and GC for the keys? Oddly your guild rules don't agree with bag hunts; and sadly Form was helping.] [16:43:13] [PM from Sylvester: Im in SRI. come and Ill give you some FEs and keys =)] [16:44:39] [PM from Sylvester: oops. Hold on] [16:45:04] [PM from Sylvester: I can see you at storage in 5-10 minutes, ok?] [16:45:12] [PM to Sylvester: tis fine] [16:47:18] [PM from Sylvester: I dont have the keys. Is it ok if I give you the gc that you spent on them instead?] [16:47:42] [PM to Sylvester: yes plz.] [16:47:53] [PM from Sylvester: pv or SRI?] [16:48:08] [PM to Sylvester: pv's a little easier] [16:48:22] [PM from Sylvester: Im in portalroom] [16:48:37] [PM to Sylvester: I'm just 2 mins behind ya] [16:51:17] Sylvester wants to trade with you. Use the trade icon then click on him/her in order to accept the trade. [16:52:02] [PM to Sylvester: ty] [16:52:33] [PM from Sylvester: ty for the excitement] [16:53:02] [PM to Sylvester: hehehe It was a BIG bag. Better than any monster drop in the game by far.] [16:53:10] [PM from Sylvester: yes =)] [16:53:15] [PM to Sylvester: even more valuable than a nex removal] [16:53:30] [PM from Sylvester: yes, but harder to carry ] [16:53:41] [PM to Sylvester: Took mannnny hours last night] [16:53:48] [PM to Sylvester: me AND a guildie] [16:54:02] [PM from Sylvester: =)] [16:54:18] [PM from Sylvester: took me 20 minutes just moving the bag a few steps] [16:55:21] [PM to Sylvester: I think a small black hole exists where that bag sat. So there's a lot of people in those two mines that are kinda freaked out about the bag hunt.] [16:55:43] [PM to Sylvester: Those are two mines where people usually enjoy not having to worry about bag theft.] [16:56:12] [PM to Sylvester: Lots of people are kinda freaked cause they keep bags in those mines too.. So try to keep that place safe.] [16:57:28] [PM from Sylvester: I dont know what I should answear on that =)] [16:58:10] [PM to Sylvester: Well I know game rules are ok with it; and I know the risk. But several guilds aren't too happy with LoGG about the bags..] [16:58:37] [PM to Sylvester: So, I'm not pissed; you've been very cool. But it just goes to reputation] [16:59:55] [PM from Sylvester: Its just a game. Ppl tend to forget that] [17:00:23] [PM from Sylvester: I have no problem returning your esses because they have no real value] [17:00:28] [PM to Sylvester: Don't forget a bag of that size took 4 IRL weeks of two people lives.] [17:00:55] [PM to Sylvester: and making essies isn't exactly fun; but helps for future projects and goals.] [17:00:58] [PM from Sylvester: yes, but I hope you enjoyed that time playing a game] [17:02:14] [PM from Sylvester: lets not find things to argue about] [17:02:31] [PM from Sylvester: Im going to bed, so have a good night] [17:02:34] [PM to Sylvester: let's not try to find other's hard work. g'night] Recent discussion between myself and Nardo [15:46:32] [PM from Nardo: greetings, please have a look at this: http://www.createforum.com/logg/viewtopic....mforum=logg#623] [15:47:05] [PM to Nardo: checking] [15:50:56] [PM to Nardo: I'm sorry but we'll have to disagree on this... using your own logic DB's do not belong to their owner and should not be returned] [15:51:09] [PM to Nardo: but your guild rules clearly state that they should be...] [15:51:22] [PM from Nardo: ah if killed by animal opr creature] [15:51:35] [PM from Nardo: not on pk maps or anything] [15:51:48] [PM to Nardo: doesn't matter... you claim that the developers back your "no one owns it"... it's exactly what they state about DB's] [15:52:12] [PM to Nardo: yet your guild states to return them... and takes a different stance on h-bags...] [15:52:29] [PM from Nardo: they are completely different] [15:52:31] [PM to Nardo: and your member didn't "guess" the location of the bag] [15:52:42] [PM to Nardo: *that* is where we will have to disagree] [15:53:10] [PM to Nardo: we know the risks of using the h-bag... we trusted sylvester around us... we now know that was wrong] [15:53:29] [PM to Nardo: our guild does not condone taking h-bags except from enemies] [15:53:59] [PM from Nardo: a pity, a part of the game that was well intended to be in it] [15:54:02] [PM to Nardo: this was not a single guild member taking our h-bag, but three members of your guild, including your GM] [15:54:17] [PM from Nardo: yes, he found it] [15:54:37] [PM to Nardo: the devels clearly state you have zero ownership of any DB, yet most of the community states people do] [15:54:58] [PM to Nardo: no he knew were it was... he watched me work it... didn't "guess" anything] [15:55:28] [PM to Nardo: as I said... we made the mistake of trusting him... and in more than a few cases helping him... won't happen again] [15:56:12] [PM to Nardo: at least two other guilds (besides -AR-) have changed their stance toward LoGG as a result of this] [15:56:25] [PM to Nardo: perhaps others I'm not aware of] [15:56:35] [PM from Nardo: so be it its a part of the game] [15:57:00] [PM from Nardo: i also make hyperbags, some got found, since then i make sure theydont] [15:57:03] [PM to Nardo: aye... I've taken the action I see fit... unfortunately that has made the lives of a few friends in your guild harder] [15:57:26] [PM to Nardo: like I said we know the risks... the problem here was a betrayal of trust...] [15:58:38] [PM from Nardo: perhaps i know sylvester of trustworthy player ] [15:59:14] [PM to Nardo: taking a bag that you know belongs to a guild that has helped you isn't trustworthy] [15:59:34] [PM to Nardo: I've opened a number of h-bags on accident and returned them to where they came] [15:59:47] [PM from Nardo: thats up to you only] [15:59:57] [PM from Nardo: you can not expect every player to be like you] [16:00:21] [PM to Nardo: as are the actions I take against someone our guild feels has betrayed our trust] [16:00:51] [PM to Nardo: nor can you... as I said, we'll have to disagree on this point... I accept that you see things differently... you don't see to though] [16:01:07] [PM from Nardo: oh yes i do ] [16:05:27] [PM from Nardo: i am a man of peace and dislike any tension between guilds, unless intended, i stand behind our visions and will defend any member, i do this for ] [16:05:40] [PM from Nardo: those who has nothing to do with the whole matter] [16:07:21] [PM to Nardo: I can respect that you're standing behind your members, but I don't agree with your guild members actions] [16:07:28] [PM from Nardo: if you want to punish sylvester then do so, for what reason you have, but dont damage the pleasure for other members, that is what i am trying to ] [16:07:30] [PM from Nardo: say] [16:08:07] [PM to Nardo: it's not just sylvester that did this... three members were involved: Sylvester, Form, and Suncie... based on this chat you condone their actions] [16:08:27] [PM from Nardo: yes, and they have every right to be there] [16:08:45] [PM from Nardo: like it sais if you find one its yours] [16:08:52] [PM from Nardo: you can decide what to do it] [16:09:19] [PM to Nardo: like I said we'll have to disagree... since Form is AFAIK GM of LoGG that means actions against the entire guild] [16:10:01] [PM to Nardo: I have, we have red tagged LoGG, I've been more polite than necessary to members of LoGG since] [16:10:16] [PM to Nardo: as I believe Troger can tell you] [16:10:32] [PM from Nardo: yes he is one upset about it] [16:10:56] [PM to Nardo: as I believe is Visvate] [16:11:17] [PM from Nardo: not about the bag but about your actions yes] [16:12:13] [PM to Nardo: as you yourself said, you can't expect everyone to believe the same as you... we don't take bags we didn't create unless they are bags from enemies] [16:16:35] [PM from Nardo: whatever you decide, thats up to you, at least you know our vision too, but i find it strange, if tonight? tomorrow? someone finds ur bag again ] [16:16:46] [PM from Nardo: you point yr finger at us again?] [16:17:07] [PM to Nardo: perhaps... but I didn't point any finger without proof] [16:17:32] [PM to Nardo: we've lost other bags around Sylvester and discounted him as possible because we trusted him] [16:17:51] [PM to Nardo: I now suspect he took those too, but have not accused as I have no proof...] [16:18:34] [PM from Nardo: we will never know this game in on 24v hrs a day] [16:18:52] [PM to Nardo: is that a threat?] [16:18:59] [PM from Nardo: no ofcourse not] [16:19:06] [PM from Nardo: just a fact] [16:19:21] [PM to Nardo: then why bother stating it? I'm on a lot too... so are my guildies...] [16:19:51] [PM from Nardo: all i am saying is that while WE both could be asleep ther is a chance] [16:20:06] [PM to Nardo: did I need to tell Troger his bag was safe... that I wouldn't touch it? No... based on our rules, I have every right to take it... yet I explicitly told] [16:20:09] [PM to Nardo: him it was safe] [16:20:30] [PM to Nardo: sure there could... and as I said I don't accuse without proof] [16:20:48] [PM to Nardo: are you trying to say they didn't take it?] [16:21:04] [PM from Nardo: for which i thnak you, but i am not stopping members to play a part of the game as it was intended] [16:21:38] [PM to Nardo: nor am I... the developers also intended for the community to make its own rules...] [16:22:32] [PM from Nardo: yes that were the problems start] [16:23:05] [PM to Nardo: remember, bagjumping (taking of a death bag) isn't against the game rules...] [16:23:16] [PM to Nardo: but your guild rules say not to do so...] [16:24:29] [PM from Nardo: i dont see the connection sorry] [16:24:53] [PM to Nardo: I'm sure you don't... and I'm sorry too] [16:26:16] [PM from Nardo: i am glad we have this discussion, i also understand your points] [16:28:52] [PM from Nardo: i was unaware that sylv was possible checking locations (in this case you) before his hunt, and shall rethink my opinion regards him] [16:29:23] [PM to Nardo: he worked in the **** beside me at that VERY location several times] [16:30:37] [PM from Nardo: thanks] [16:31:03] [PM from Nardo: he has not been online yet but will have a talk] [16:31:38] [PM from Nardo: for i condone thievery just as you] [16:31:55] [PM to Nardo: you mean condem?] [16:32:03] [PM from Nardo: yes ] [16:32:06] [PM to Nardo: k] [16:32:16] [PM from Nardo: english is not my mother language] [16:32:22] [PM to Nardo: different meaning... just clarify... complete opposites] [16:33:01] [PM to Nardo: condone = for and liking it to happen... condem = against] [16:33:18] [PM from Nardo: alright] [16:35:11] [PM from Nardo: what will be needed to remove that title on your website?] [16:35:42] [PM to Nardo: hard to do since the GM was in on the taking] [16:36:10] [PM from Nardo: and probably unaware too] [16:36:26] [PM to Nardo: unaware of what?] [16:36:42] [PM from Nardo: that your bag was not a treasure hunt] I'll leave it up to everyone to decide if they agree with LoGG's stance on hyperbags.

Once again, I apply for not using such strong wordings. 55 votes is certainly more, but it is still not that many more as you suggest. Play your semantics all you want. 55 votes more than a thread with a total of 105 votes. that's more than 50% more people voting (52.4%). I'm pretty sure that's valid justification for far more.

There are far more people voting in this poll than the previous. As of today, there are a total of 105 unique votes (for two different questions, giving the 210 total votes). Right now we have 160 unique votes on this poll. Those taking bags would refer to the previous poll as justification of their actions. This was prior to it reaching 105 unique votes, in fact it had only 95 votes at the time. Just because several players either don't know about the poll or have elected to not voice their opinion doesn't invalidate those that have.

Yes, for your previous actions. We also tried to discuss this with your guild to come to some kind of resolution, at the persistence of Suncie. However, you disrupted those talks and brought them to an end. We are now simply seeing your true colors. There were a few different players that saw me with opportunity to take bags you'd created since this thread began. All of them were left untouched.

Then you'll probably get a kick out of this: [23:51:30] [PM from Sylvester: insidious just grued out. Wanna poof his hyper? =P] [23:51:34] [PM to Sylvester: kk] [23:51:58] [PM from Sylvester: the ladder down the ground at the fluff spawn] [23:54:48] [PM from Sylvester: bring like 5 keys, just incase I dont have the exact coords] [23:55:24] Sylvester: hey [23:55:28] BleedingSoul: ;p [23:55:29] Sylvester was notified, now wait to see if s/he wants to trade with you. [23:55:32] Sylvester: not that one =) [23:56:03] Sylvester: lol [23:56:42] [PM from Sylvester: =D] [23:57:40] [PM to Sylvester: easily 20k+ stuff] [00:01:59] [PM from Sylvester: Its a junk bag] That's right, Sylvester solicited help in poofing -AR-'s bag. Edit: just to clarify, the bag was in fact poofed, all contents lost.

I took that from Blackthorne quoting you here: By the way, that quote comes directly from your post earlier on this very same thread.

No one is forcing you to read it. You may not have a problem with it, and yes they are free to do as they like within the rules of the game. However, I (and others) see their behavior as that of an outlaw. Here we disagree. Destroying others work is (in my view) the behavior of an outlaw. Unless of course the work belongs to a declared enemy. Sylvester did not return the bag due to us informing him it was ours. He knew who the bag belonged to before he took it. He's worked along side several guilds in that mine and I doubt any of them were at the time declared enemies of LoGG. The only thing he returned upon being confronted about the bag was the 10k FE and GC cost for the keys for us to recover it. I feel their behavior was deserving of an outlaw post. I would think I've made that clear by now. edit: grammar

I attempted to discuss this further with LoGG due to Suncie's persistence in the matter (again only the location has been altered in the logs): [13:24:22] #Ig [blackthorne->LoGG] Suncie seems to think there is some benefit to contact you about the bag situation... if any of you would like to discuss it I'm open to discussion [13:25:03] #Ig [blackthorne->LoGG] however, since as I've stated your GM seems to have been involved in the taking of the bag I don't know how much benefit can come from this [13:26:33] #Ig [Form:LoGG] I am not even sure what exactly happened. Suncie and I didnt know who's bag it was. And Sylv told me he didnt either and i tend to believe him. [13:27:30] #Ig [blackthorne->LoGG] sylvester has been in the **** cave numerous times with either myself or insidious present... it would not have been a large leap to determine the [13:28:00] #Ig [blackthorne->LoGG] location of one or more of our hyperbags in the area... we know the risks of using these bags and it's not the bag that is the problem [13:28:42] #Ig [blackthorne->LoGG] it is the fact that we have helped watch over Sylvester's bags... regardless of whether he lays claim to them or not... we helped ensure they would be [13:28:47] #Ig [blackthorne->LoGG] there when he returned [13:29:27] #Ig [Form:LoGG] ive known Sylv for a long time and i cant imagine him being buddies with you and helping eachoher then stabbing you in the back. [13:29:47] #Ig [blackthorne->LoGG] we did this by reseting the timers on the bag by dropping items into the bag... this was repaid with taking of a very large bag [13:30:35] #Ig [blackthorne->LoGG] believe what you want... I don't accuse randomly... I do wish I had screenshots now to prove he was there... but I don't [13:32:30] #Ig [Form:LoGG] i hope we can settle this somehow. We are not a gang of thieves, you know. I still cant see the whole thing clearly. [13:33:41] #Ig [blackthorne->LoGG] as long as sylvester continues his hunts in areas he works next to people in I don't see that happening... and this isn't a personal thing... [13:33:58] #Ig [blackthorne->LoGG] I just don't feel we can trust your guild with actions like this happening [13:34:47] #Ig [blackthorne->LoGG] Sylvester was one of the first people our guild met in the **** mine... but claims to never have worked beside us... and he works beside insidious on a [13:34:56] #Ig [blackthorne->LoGG] near daily basis... [13:34:56] #Ig [suncie:LoGG] well you are accusing us - me of stealing [13:35:11] #Ig [blackthorne->LoGG] did you or did you not assist in moving the bag? [13:35:28] #Ig [blackthorne->LoGG] I know you were present as I saw you in the cave myself [13:35:56] #Ig [suncie:LoGG] i did help him hauling it in [13:36:14] #Ig [Form:LoGG] i was on the bag for about 5 minutes, he called me, i didnt even know what was really going on. Then i logged off since it was late. [13:36:23] #Ig [Form:LoGG] so no, i didnt help. [13:36:43] #Ig [blackthorne->LoGG] but you saw the bag and new it's size, this didn't raise any alarms for you? [13:36:47] #Ig [suncie:LoGG] syl did not claim not working with you, he did not know that was your bag, point [13:37:33] #Ig [blackthorne->LoGG] "I have never been working in the same area, neither have anyone from LoGG." that is directly from Sylvester [13:38:06] #Ig [blackthorne->LoGG] that explicitly claims that he's never worked in the same area as us, nor has any LoGG member... it's a bold faced lie [13:38:10] #Ig [suncie:LoGG] he was talking about the spesific area [13:38:57] #Ig [suncie:LoGG] so you claims he was working in that spesific spot before? [13:39:17] #Ig [blackthorne->LoGG] I claim that I was on the bag that was lost when he's been present in the **** mine, yes [13:41:20] #Ig [blackthorne->LoGG] he also claims not to use hyperbags or more specifically "Since I have no bags, I have no idea what imaginary bags you could have helped me with BT." [13:41:55] #Ig [blackthorne->LoGG] yet I've watched him use at least two in the **** mine... and he's stated to insidious that he's got a tool bag in the mine... [13:42:05] #Ig [blackthorne->LoGG] yet more bold faced lies from him [13:56:04] #Ig [suncie:LoGG] no comment ? [13:56:58] #Ig [blackthorne->LoGG] on? I'm sorry I was disconnect and haven't seen anything since my last to you [13:58:54] #Ig [blackthorne->LoGG] my guild mate passed on your message... it's not an opinion... sylvester admits to having taken the bag [13:59:01] #Ig [suncie:LoGG] so this is all about you believe syl is a thied and now you have outlawed a complete guild? [13:59:49] #Ig [blackthorne->LoGG] that is theft from my view... and he admits to it... the fact that multiple guild members were involved in it resulted in the whole guild being tagged [14:00:20] #Ig [Form:LoGG] he admits taking the bag. And none of us denies sitting on it. But we didnt know who's it was. And he took a little amount compared to what it [14:00:21] #Ig [blackthorne->LoGG] as I've stated numerous times... if only Sylvester had been involved, it would be against only Sylvester [14:00:35] #Ig [Form:LoGG] was in it, AND he returned it. [14:00:46] #Ig [blackthorne->LoGG] he moved the bag... that is taking the entire thing... he admits to that [14:00:58] #Ig [suncie:LoGG] exactly, your view,so i still think this is a personal vendeta [14:01:36] #Ig [blackthorne->LoGG] suncie you still aren't getting it... -AR- and many other guilds consider taking hyperbags as theft [14:02:18] #Ig [blackthorne->LoGG] while it is nice that he did return the FE, it doesn't change the fact that he took it... [14:02:19] #Ig [suncie:LoGG] take a look again at the pic that Nardo has posted [14:03:03] #Ig [blackthorne->LoGG] what about it? our guild views are different... just because your guild condones taking of hyperbags doesn't mean other guilds don't see it as theft [14:03:40] #Ig [suncie:LoGG] how come you dont mention it in the forum he has returned it [14:04:18] #Ig [blackthorne->LoGG] I believe I do... right in my first post... complete chat logs including the trade [14:04:43] #Ig [blackthorne->LoGG] [16:51:17] Sylvester wants to trade with you. Use the trade icon then click on him/her in order to accept the trade. [14:04:51] #Ig [blackthorne->LoGG] [16:52:02] [PM to Sylvester: ty] [14:05:35] #Ig [blackthorne->LoGG] that's immediately following the request for where to meet for the FE and GC... that's pretty clear to everyone [14:05:49] #Ig [blackthorne->LoGG] have I ever denied that he returned the FE? [14:10:30] #Ig [blackthorne->LoGG] so while only 10k of FE was hauled out of the mine, the entire 130k FE was moved from it's original spot, that's attempted theft of the entire bag [14:10:59] #Ig [blackthorne->LoGG] and he admits to moving the bag: [16:54:18] [PM from Sylvester: took me 20 minutes just moving the bag a few steps] [14:11:35] #Ig [blackthorne->LoGG] so are you (Suncie and Form) indicating that you had no part in the moving of the bag... only with the removal of 10k from it? [14:11:48] [PM from Sylvester: hi] [14:12:03] [PM to Sylvester: if you have something to say, do so in IG... not in PM] [14:12:35] [PM from Sylvester: wrong] [14:13:38] #Ig [blackthorne->LoGG] [PM from Sylvester: hi] [14:13:40] [PM from Sylvester: this discussion doesnt have to involve all of my guild or all of yours] [14:13:46] #Ig [blackthorne->LoGG] [PM to Sylvester: if you have something to say, do so in IG... not in PM] [14:13:54] #Ig [blackthorne->LoGG] [PM from Sylvester: wrong] [14:14:04] #Ig [blackthorne->LoGG] [PM from Sylvester: this discussion doesnt have to involve all of my guild or all of yours] [14:15:27] [PM from Sylvester: thats very disturbing. If you want to make the discussion official, then share your logs please] [14:15:36] [PM from Sylvester: dont spam out #ig] [14:15:50] #Ig [blackthorne->LoGG] [PM from Sylvester: thats very disturbing. If you want to make the discussion official, then share your logs please] [14:15:59] #Ig [blackthorne->LoGG] [PM from Sylvester: dont spam out #ig] [14:16:24] #Ig [blackthorne->LoGG] I wish this discussion to remain open to all memebers of both guilds so there is no confusion on the matter [14:16:46] #Ig [Katryel->LoGG] I for one would like to 'hear' it. [14:17:22] #Ig [blackthorne->LoGG] no answer to my question (Suncie and Form)? [14:17:44] [PM from Sylvester: how many members in your guild are involved in the discussion? Im sure that they dont have to see the messages instantly] [14:18:00] #Ig [blackthorne->LoGG] [PM from Sylvester: how many members in your guild are involved in the discussion? Im sure that they dont have to see the messages instantly] [14:18:26] #Ig [blackthorne->LoGG] I've my my request clear in both PM and IG, please refrain from attempting to PM me directly regarding this [14:18:30] #Ig [suncie:LoGG] why should i? i have made myself clear have a clears consious hope so do you [14:19:44] #Ig [blackthorne->LoGG] because I'm open to resolving this as I've told Nardo and hope I've made clear by discussing this here... it is my understanding that your involvement [14:20:09] #Ig [blackthorne->LoGG] includes moving the bag... if that is not the case (which has not been contested to this point) then enlighten me [14:21:40] [PM from Sylvester: we have heard too much of your voice. Please stop spamming our IG] [14:21:54] #Ig [blackthorne->LoGG] [PM from Sylvester: we have heard too much of your voice. Please stop spamming our IG] [14:22:13] #Ig [blackthorne->LoGG] I'll take this to mean that discussion are over... we are here if you wish to continue

Cute... I think you're outbid by a bot: [PM from Miria: |180000gc| 1| Magic Removal Stone ]

And who do you think made the last 100k in that bag? That's right me.

No, I'm not sure where the disconnect in communicating this is. It would have been personal, and this posting against an individual, if only Sylvester had been involved. However, multiple members of your guild were involved, so this is not personal. I believe your guild's actions were dishonorable and the behavior of outlaws.

No, but it was started by a singular individual conducting his "treasure hunts". It left personal when multiple members of your guild assisted in taking the bag.

To my knowledge, LoGG's GM was in on taking the bag. So what good would it do to contact him about it. He obviously condoned the taking or wouldn't have been involved. Contacting Visvate was a courtesy as I consider him a friend. Now, which is it? Either you've seen us there, as you (Suncie) state, or you're guild has never been in the same area with us as Sylvester states. None of your guild members (prior to you) deny taking the bag. The contents match within 10K (which Sylvester admits to having taken). The evidence is pretty clear to me. Which guild took which bag? I didn't start this mess, you can thank Sylvester for that. I'm only taking the steps I feel are necessary. As long as he continues to conduct his "treasure hunts". edit: corrected trailing sentence and typo

I don't foresee an apology from -AR- at this time. The only bag open at the time I arrived was the bag that you had moved our bag into. It wasn't until after your guild left and we checked our bag that we discovered ours had been taken. Then, searching the surrounding area square by square (because we didn't want to believe that LoGG had taken it) did we arrive at the location you had occupied with your bag. This is why I didn't confront you at the time. However, as soon as we were sure that you had taken it, I contact LoGG (via Visvate) about the matter.

And yet more of your lies. You bag mix next to insidious on an almost daily basis. You bag mixed next to myself on the bag you claim to have no prior idea was ours. Please note, I'm not claiming these are hyperbags of yours (though I do know you have a few). In fact, I just left another of your bags alone this morning, though this was only because I didn't know it belonged to you until you returned to it. But that's right, you don't have any bags.

Claim what you want about working around that bag. I know different, but unfortunately, I do not have proof to provide anyone else other than my word. As for Indisious' PMs to you (from IMs between myself and him): He wants the whole thing to die because he doesn't want to get jumped by LoGG again. So how do you relate this with LoGG? I see no connection or explanation. The connection is simple, members of -AR- helped you several times with your bags. Yet you take a bag known to worked by -AR-. Deny it all you want, as I said I have no proof to provide that you were in that area other than my word.

Thank you!