Matty27

I'm a recent returner, with well over a decade since I last played regularly. I remember Learner being very helpful when I was first playing. RIP.

Chatlog is a simple text file. Can be very easily edited by anyone to make it show anything they want it to show. I don't know this player, just pointing out the ridiculousness of the claim of "concrete evidence"

Forgive me if this question has an obvious answer but if you "almost dont play any more", why are you so bothered that you put up a thread about this issue? I'm also confused as to why you keep posting in the thread since you "almost dont play any more" it got mentioned on channel 6, i said something about it and someone told me to make a topic its a problem, and it will get out of hand so i just decided to make a topic to try and fix it, and argueing is fun Fair point^^^^^ Actually, if you have such a problem with manu'ers raising prices so high, why not train manu so that you can actually make the items you need for your fighting? The problem is not that the manu'ers are making things more expensive for themselves by buying the rare ing's at higher prices. The problem is that too many people will not pay a fair (above ing cost) price for all mixables (with a very few exceptions as mentioned in the linked thread). I saw someone trying to buy HE on @@3 for 6gc today. With silver being the price it is to buy in bulk, this means that the player mixing the HE is making a loss. I know the subject of this topic isn't specifically HE, but the same principle applies to everything that is mixed. From basic essies all the way through to the high-level items that are being complained about. The majority of players think that paying anything other than an outdated (and low) price for items is too much Rare ings make high-level items more expensive. If a player wants to be able to supply the high-level items, they HAVE to have the rare ings. If the only way they can get thos rare ings is to bid HIGH for them, then you have to accept that the end price HAS to go up. Any suggestion to drive down the price of the basic ings is ridiculous. I remember someone trying to tell me that iron ore was only worth 2gc as "it's easy to mine" (market average at that time was 3gc) just so he/she could get it cheap. The player then called me a gouger because I refused to sell low. Strangely enough they didn't get the 10k iron ore they wanted from me. Driving down ing prices will only harm the harvesters in a much bigger way than the mini-events did when they were introduced. If the harvesters are harmed, or worse, convinced to not bother harvesting any more, they will stop doing so and there will be no basic ings coming on the market. If no basic ings on market, the mixers (all disciplines) will be forced to get all of their own resulting in a reduction of middle ings resulting in a bigger reduction in higher ings thus forcing high level items to become more rare. More rare means they will become more subject to supply/demand making them even more expensive than you are already complaining about. There is also the problem of the rare ings becoming even more scarce with less harvesting going on. That will itself alone drive up their value and thus drive up the price of the high-level items even more. So, what do you propose to do to resolve this? Continue to refuse to buy things at the increased prices? I think that will only result in you not getting the shiny things you want. There will come a time, if harvesters get pi$$ed off enough, when very few people will sell anything below what it cost them to make - especially if they can't get the items they need to mix with. You make the point that you don't increase the price of a RDHoLaM or NMT just because the cost of HE went up. Why not? It's because you actually have a rare item and want to sell it for money? You have a rare item and sell it for what a player is willing to pay. Please raise it and stop complaining about ebul manu'ers making you pay more for your shiny things. If you put up the price for those items to where you would like them to be, they may eventually sell, but you want the money NOW, so you sell it for those market prices. The same is true of mixers (all disciplines) they want the ings they need and they don't want to wait for ages to get them so they pay the price that will get them the items. It's exactly the same as your RDHoLaM and NMT argument but in reverse.

Forgive me if this question has an obvious answer but if you "almost dont play any more", why are you so bothered that you put up a thread about this issue? I'm also confused as to why you keep posting in the thread since you "almost dont play any more"

I'm not a pker, but have always had fun running through KF from votd to dp or vice versa via the merc spawn - just to see if any pkers will chase me down and try to kill me. KF got to the point where it was empty the majority of the time and the free merc was no challenge to get. Changing KF to ND has been great for ensuring lots of folks there. Leave KF as is. Is more fun now running through to see what happens. Just a shame about the merc spawn

Congratulations Stew. Sorry the response has been slow, but I aint been here for a while

I've been watching this thread with interest as I'm harvesting to get to a large AE project at the moment and the mini-events have become a bit of a pain. I can handle looking back at the screen every few minutes as it's the way I have always harvested large amounts of items. I read forums or chat in EL. Reducing the frequency of the events is a good thing, thankyou Ent. Arguments about only getting a certain amount of experience when fighting now because in the past someone else got more is ridiculous. The game changes as Ent tries to balance and improve it. Generally balances have to be changed as improvements brought in begin to show problems. This is the way of all games where the developer(s) takes an active interest in what the players have to say, and it is a good thing that Ent does so here. I know that a lot of us mixers or all-rounders see the difference in effort to gain levels in mixing against the fighting skills. I know for a fact that it is possible to just fight and still have the gc required to buy essences and potions required to support that. You just have to fight things below your maximum ability. Example, I can fight female and male orcs with only basic leather or aug leather armour and not have to restore often. The gc alone from that is more than sufficient to pay for HE and SR. Bones and the limited drops from them make the value of fighting them higher, but are not required. The amount of experience I can get from fighting these is higher than I could ever get from the same amount of time to harvest and mix anything within my mixing levels. This difference will increase with the mini-events, but so what. I have adjusted to all other changes in the game. I am sure I can adjust to this one too Anyway, back to the original subject. Mini-events have made it a little more difficult to harvest for a large project, but I'm sure that Ent will make the balance better soon. Let's give it a chance and see how it goes, eh?

I really want to, but getting EL running on an acer aspire one netbook (linpus install) is, so far, beyond my desire to tear my hair out. Will have to commandeer wife's proper laptop again..... She might not be happy about that :)

Retire in just over 4 years time with full pension, will be just shy of 41 years old. I have little idea what I'm going to do with my life other than get people to pay me to take their pictures. And necro a thread or two perhaps. Might even have to grow up a little.

Ummmmm.......... Forgive me, but isn't polygamy the multiple marriage thing? clicky So that would be fine for a guild wanting only the married partners in it.......... No? Have I missed something there? Call me thick perhaps ;P

The highlight was mine. The reason is pretty plain to work out. Says it all. Not everyone wants to be forced into fighting. Personally, I would enjoy this idea if it wasn't for the f$%@wits idiots players who think it is ok to "pwn" very weak players but won't fight those of similar strengths or stronger.

I think that anyone who can put in something like that needs to be shot for their arrogance in believing that their opinion/style can be the only one worth having/using. Agreed. A combat level based arena would be much better to see in the game, whichever map it is in. (Did I just agree with liquid??? Must be losing my mind! )

It's only a few pixels that you're "killing", so why make such a big thing of someone who doesn't do it? I don't PK because there are a few idiots who think they are "pr0" for killing players who have very low levels compared to themselves. It just puts me right off (can't speak for other players)

However few or many hours played per day, it's a brilliant achievement! Gratz Fedora

Well, it seems like you have had no offers at that high pprice. How about I make an offer? 15kgc

Couldn't help laughing my arse off when I read this - especially: I got 2 sons and have been dreading this since the moment they were born!

Newbie or not Cruella, you're definitely doing fine. I remember running a find-me contest for new players in channel 6 and sitting in WS at nightime and you hoping I would kill the garg if it appeared Seem to remember you being quite impressed with the prizes you won too Well done for getting to oa 100 in such a short space of time

Just after youngest son was born (might have been just before, but I don't think so). Late Jan or possibly early Feb 06 Needed something to keep me in on an evening when I was away from my family so looked for and found a good game

Wow. Actually, I was expecting to be flamed for my list, but it seems it has struck a chord with some folks. Maslicka is right: the community won't change very easily, but experienced pk'ers who want the fun to continue with new blood entering could do a lot towards leading that change. I doubt that any of us would expect an experienced pk'er to give up all their tactics, but an introduction to the basics would be very welcome and make some excitement for players trying to enter pk. You know - something like the guides Masterpiter has posted in combat section of skills forum. They could even be added to by other experienced players, much like eMPi's guides have.

Most posts so far are not making suggestions about how to improve things other than what has been posted before. Unless I am greatly mistaken, Dilly's point in making this thread is to get new ideas on how to improve the pk experience for players who would not otherwise pk, and yes I am among that number. You can be "pr0" or "uBer" or whatever you wish to call it, but you are only ensuring that newer players are not going to come into pk maps or into the arenas. How about trying to nurture new fighters? How about helping them along? If you're really professional, then you understand that skills need to be passed on or you just stop getting new people (this applies in all walks of life) to carry on the thing that you are doing. Previous posts suggest trying to spend some time in pk maps before posting - how can we do that if we just get gangbanged? Does it really make sense to anyone to think that gangbanging new fighters will encourage them to play pk? I mean really? I personally don't care about the occasions I have been killed when doing mercury runs in KF - I don't lose anything (well, I have lost things when I didn't take everything off, but that was only basic leather stuff), so the only thing effect on me is that I get some magic experience from casting restore spell after walking out of the underworld. Did anyone try to see if I was interested in learning the pk game? No. Did anyone offer to teach me anything about pk? Other than the obvious point of "you enter pk - you get killed by folks who gain nothing from doing it". Again, no. Did any of the pk'ers who have me on their counters think about interesting me or any of the many other weak players in the pk game? Again, the answer is no. Suggestions here: Don't whine about how pk is dead - it just discourages people from trying. Don't tell people who are trying to help pk that they need to spend some time in pk maps - they are trying to get into the pk game. Don't moan about the price of rostos - they aint going to change. Don't use BroD on NDD just because you can't get any drops at all - it just annoys people and discourages entry of pk maps. DO help new players to learn about the fun part of pk - you never know, they just might end up becoming a pk addict. DO try to train people in pk tactics - see above. DO stop gangbanging folks who are trying to take part in the fun you say pk is - do you think gangbanging encourages people?

I don't play the pk aspect of the game, and the reason is that some folks seem to think it is good to just hit the weak who stand no chance against them. I imagine that a lot of others who would love to try are similar to me on this. Having said that - I do run through KF fairly regularly trying to avoid the pk'ers, and I enjoy doing that immensely - it's a good adrenaline rush (not something you get much of in front of a pc). Feel free to attack me when I'm running through KF after the mercury. Sadly, the people I have seen in KF don't seem to be too sociable and rarely reply to my PM of a smiley when I'm killed. I can understand you ignoring someone whining for their gear back, but a smiley? I send them to show I don't mind having been killed, but I have only ever received a smiley back on 2 occasions. If there was a little more fun from pk'ers instead of such seriousness, that would improve things (see above about ignoring those you have killed). Try talking to the lower level folks you have killed and give them some tips on how to improve their fighting - perhaps even come out of KF and heal them at molgor. You could show that you see it as a game (see above about seriousness) Yes, shiny armours look great, and I'm very happy that you have the special stuff - you worked for it, I'm sure. How about trying to play a little in the kind of things that newer players can reasonably acquire? That way new players don't see the position of pk players as being unattainable or so serious (see above again) The big point of this post? It's very obvious that you all enjoy pk a lot, so lighten up and help new people to enjoy pk as much as you do. EDIT: Thankyou Temp Give others a chance to learn and enjoy

Ummmmmmmm. Kryten 2X4B 523P is a Series 4000 mechanoid, not an android - he does watch the soap opera "androids" though ;P alone, not along It's just a shame that Clare Grogan didn't come back when Kristine Kochanski was reintroduced (I'm showing what stage of adolescence I was at when this programme was originally on the goggle-box)

This is an important point. Even if others in the area are not known in the outlaws forum for any bagjumping actions, it is best to trade the harvestables to the friend or guildie who is muling it to storage. If no-one is muling for you, then just take it to sto when you have filled your inventory Yes it is that important to most folks who have had their bag jumped. They are working together with friends/guildies to get a large amount of harvestables and they don't want some idiot to take it from them (be that by hauling the bag away or by letting it poof)

for sale: 1 Book of Titanium/Steel Long Sword of Ice. Offers please

Looks like I will be ending the auction this evening (UTC +1) Any more offers before then?