Entropy Takes Money For Stats.

[stasia]

...selling stats its a different thing and you know it! This is like paying to be allowed to use steroids in olympic games.

thing is, this is just a computer game and not a meaningful competition.

 

being the best in something like this means diddly, so there's really no need to train overly hard if you are only trying to be the best (lol), cos face it - whether you buy stats or train them - who really cares?

[shasso]

thing is, this is just a computer game and not a meaningful competition.

 

being the best in something like this means diddly, so there's really no need to train overly hard if you are only trying to be the best (lol), cos face it - whether you buy stats or train them - who really cares?

I think those who love this game, care a lot

[Placid]

Isnt the whole 'enjoyment' of this game the fact that you can level by YOURSELF. Thats what i enjoy, increasing levels, learning new things and socialising.

 

Being able to buy stats defeats the point of playing the game.

[stasia]

frankly i agree that buying stats is gay, cos the point of a game is to play it, so anyone buying their stats aren't really playing the game, they're just wanting be seen as the winner for no effort.

 

though why anyone else should care what another person needs to do to make themselves feel good (and let's face it - someone too lazy to play the game for the sake of playing, and willing to buy their stats for real cash probably has low self-esteem irl) i don't really understand...

[Placid]

Thats actually a good point. It doesnt really matter, if people are going to do that, let them, its their choice.

[Curor]

curor, i know you don't play the game anymore and just lurk on the forums, so you prolly don't care 

i cannot believe you don't see what this means for the game and the comunity

   

 

OMG ent i can only hope you make up your mind !     

Actually, if anything, it will mean that people who are top will be people who actually enjoy socialising, rather than those with a smeg load of time on their hands. This way, people who actually have a job (not that I have one), and play to relax, will be have an equal oppurtunity to have fun.

 

Besides, I would much rather see this than the game go p2p, so then I too can play, with and against those I know..one day...when I have enough time.

 

though why anyone else should care what another person needs to do to make themselves feel good (and let's face it - someone too lazy to play the game for the sake of playing, and willing to buy their stats for real cash probably has low self-esteem irl) i don't really understand...

Yea because people who might actually get jobs and such things have really low self-esteem, as opposed to people who sit on their asses levelling pixels.

[Curor]

BTW, some of the money will go back in the game, we need to contract someone (short term) to add some stuff to the client, such as deepth buffer shadows, etc.

 

Oh, oh...and maybe a quest writer? S Lyanna U Lyanna B Lyanna L Lyanna I Lyanna M Lyanna I Lyanna N Lyanna A Lyanna L

[stasia]

though why anyone else should care what another person needs to do to make themselves feel good (and let's face it - someone too lazy to play the game for the sake of playing, and willing to buy their stats for real cash probably has low self-esteem irl) i don't really understand...

Yea because people who might actually get jobs and such things have really low self-esteem, as opposed to people who sit on their asses levelling pixels.

why would anyone need to have high stats to play a game, is it not possible to play the game at the rate you can, given the free time you have on your hands to do so?

[shasso]

Would you still play chess if your ritch opponent was able to buy extra moves and extra couple of queens?

[Soldus]

curor

sorry, you have no idea what you're talking about

no hardworking mature person will use this shortcut, they enjoy working for their stats, setting a goal and reach it.

but spoiled brats, honorless immature braggers will, and now they will dominate the pk areas, cuz they DON'T have to work for their money ! - they get killed? well there are 10 $ more for the next 10 lvls !

ppl who actually WORK for their money will just turn their back on the game.

cicero....

P2P with areas nonpayers cannot access, but on 1 server would have been the solution,

and that poll showed that clearly.

there would have been no disadvantage for honest ppl and powergamers would still beat everybody...but fair !

i am waiting for p2p for a long time, infact most of my guild are.

i enjoy working for my stats tho, and won't pay for a lvlbased game where you can just use a shortcut thru money.

btw...you guys are turning EL into a high security facility where everybody reports another for sitting on a bag, ban ppl for living in the same house and now make cheating part of the game ???

i just can't believe it

[Platyna]

Are all of you people going to complain when p2p comes out?

 

OMFG! They get to go to a p2p map / use p2p items / whatever because of money?! Unfair!

 

Money buys the developers' time. You should thank the people who are giving money to Ent. The money goes to development of EL which benefits everyone, but a very small percentage of people are donating money.

Cicero. Don't compare THAT to p2p. It is okay I am paying for Quake III arena etc. It is ok you are buying

right to play a game. It is ok you buy special items available only for real money which makes you

individual like pink cape or whatever like that. It is ok to have p2p maps and p2p server. It is NOT OK

to have paid stats. It is first game I saw such thing. It is disgusting because it brings most disgusting

thing from IRL: Not fair competition. If I will want to swim in shit and curruption will go out on the

street and for example pay for driving license in Poland (yes, you can't pass this exam other way than

paying examinator here). Paying developers for their time? Do you, Learner, Leeloo takes money for

what they do? You feel that you are lacking skills to programm server well? You think that Learner

who is a C programmer like 15 smeging years can't do things what Entropy told us here?

Alot of brilliant programmers are playing this game, ready to help any time. Torvalds hadn't pay

commercial programmers to make Linux great operating system which can compete with operating

systems such like MacOS and Windoze what costed alot of money to make. Problem is that Torvalds is

modest and Entropy is STUBBORN LIKE HELL!!!

Instead of making a team of good programmers, admins, people with imagination to have server code

and write server code which can be approved by Entropy...alot money could be saved and this game

could be as good like any commercial game. Linux proved us that when you do something with love you

will do it alot better than for cash. I can't believe that you, Learner, Leeloo, The Antiroot and many

others are too stupid to make required changes in the server and do it good.

 

Regards.

[jamesvm]

all has say is only was complaned about that people can get high stat by money is because they don't like the challege of try raise stat to surpase person.

In End THIS IS ENTROPY GAME SO HE CAN DO WHAT HE FEEL LIKE.

[Platyna]

all has say is only was complaned about that people can get high stat by money is because they don't like the challege of try raise stat to surpase person.

In End THIS IS ENTROPY GAME SO HE CAN DO WHAT HE FEEL LIKE.

Of course it is his game and he can do what he want but I don't have to agree with everything he is

doing, isn't it? Especially that I was giving to this project alot of time as Community Helper and I was proud because of that.

 

Regards.

[Curor]

Fine..whatever. I stick to my argument.

[Placid]

...Yea because people who might actually get jobs and such things have really low self-esteem, as opposed to people who sit on their asses levelling pixels.

I agree with you Curor. It allows people to continue to play the game etc.. But isnt part of playing a 'game' to participate in its objectives/tasks as WELL as social aspects?

[Platyna]

Fine..whatever. I stick to my argument.

Your argument? About hard work yes? Well I will tell you something about hard work.

In Poland, no matter how hard you work you are paid crap. Unless you are in menagment or you are a

politician you have a cash only for you basic needs. I have my own non profit project. I am doing it well

I don't have to sell anything. I am doing it good and there are alot of people who are willing to help

because they respect my work. Including money. And I know - alone I would do nothing. If Entropy will

loose people's respect he will earn 15 usd but will loose alot more. It is my humble opinion.

 

Regards.

[Placid]

(Sorry, happy 1000th post Plat )

 

I see what your saying, but there will always be a target audience for players, people who just leave will be replaced by newbies who have only started playing.

 

Its a simple fact, supply and demand

[stasia]

i think the problem here is that some people are missing the point of what it is to play a game - it's supposed to be about fun - not about being the winner even if you get there by playing like an arsehole.

[Platyna]

Actually people are playing mmorpgs and other multiplayer games for two reasons: To have friends and

to friendly competite with each other. It is same thing why from houndreds of years people were

organizing tournaments and olympic games. This is why people are playing chess, Quake, Five stones,

Ultima, EverQuest etc. It is actually funny killing my boss in the dungeon and win.

 

Regards.

[Curor]

i think the problem here is that some people are missing the point of what it is to play a game - it's supposed to be about fun - not about being the winner even if you get there by playing like an arsehole.

Newsflash: Levelling a character is not fun, having levels is.

[Platyna]

Actually it is fun when after hours of boring job you get: "You advanced to level 45 of crafting!"

and whole your guild is screaming "Hooray!" and you are "dancing" like crazy and people are sending

you congratulations. This is a flavour of the game - no matter if you are poor kid from Indonesia you can

have alot money, no matter if you are on the chair - you can be powerful fighter. Personally I always

admired jewellers work, and jewelry - not that it is so expensive etc. but imagine how many patience,

skills and estetic sense is needed to make such things...in game I can be a jeweller and it is cool.

Bringing crap from irl is no fun.

 

Regards.

[stasia]

Newsflash: Levelling a character is not fun, having levels is.

...so you're saying that strutting round like a toss and showing off your levels is the only fun you get...

 

and you get no pleasure from working to gain your levels at all?

 

that's really...tragic...

[Dorplein]

The rich people will rule EL....It sux

[Platyna]

Newsflash: Levelling a character is not fun, having levels is.

...so you're saying that strutting round like a toss and showing off your levels is the only fun you get...

 

and you get no pleasure from working to gain your levels at all?

 

that's really...tragic...

Leveling itself not. But leveling encourages social behaviour in games. For example if my guild mate

wants to level up manufacture whole guild is collecting materials - bars, cash, reasoning pots etc, etc.

It is cool when you see people cooperating. To go up, to be the best, to allow our friends to be the best.

This is why levels has been created.

 

Regards.

[stasia]

well there ya have it.

 

buying stats is for the kind of person who enjoys elbowing people out of the way in the stairwell of a burning building.

 

if you're that person, i'll wager anyone else's opinion on the rightness or wrongness of such action is equally irrelevant to you also.