JoeButler

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To be honest, i like the quest idea, and it would get me to buy one, and i already have the perk. I like the idea of NMWs being only unbreakables, and NMT break, though if they did that, i would say make the required tai level higher and more nexus required, like 6 magic & 6 arti. anyway, entris, everybody has different opinions of pricing of such objects, but tbh, its a game where a universal hood costs more than a functional piece of armor, nothing makes sense. I just want that excellent reward that Miiks came up with.

Just would like 160 hours in all instances, or a system where invance cooldown is lower for lower levels and grows towards higher levels. Either would be perfect. having it so that the range with the least amount of people coming into it and staying as well as being able to instance doesnt make sense imo. But then im a "newbie" and need to "go train", so what do i know. Ultimately changes to 6080 insta lies in those it doesnt effect. Sorry for being so pessimistic.

We dont get run partly because we dont get team everyday, when we do, we ask and often dont get one started or have it delayed after 1-2 of the higher level invances or have to wait several hours. Recently, when i have been on, we have had a team, but not gotten invance. I can kill all mobs in 6080 and 4060, and im not in 6080 range yet, but i dont agree with atomos. We both have good armour/weapons, and know how to do them. Changing them so its more difficult will lower the amount done, and due to basically a trickle of harvesting newbies coming in to replace all current 6080ers, making it more difficult would be pointless. 6080 is gonna die like 4060 after a certain 6 people leave.

well sometimes you get unlucky. But im pointing out that the instance ranges (afaik) that get farmed the most have less cooldown (afaik). We get basically that profit every time we go, more if we're lucky, and then scales eat away at that till we break even. Then arrows, etc. we're in loss. Just make all the instance have same cooldown.

You get exp for your sum deffending you and you deffending your sum, otherwise you can powerlevel deffense with tank rabbits. It works since your effectively getting the exp from both participants.

6080 is unfarmable. We hardly have enough people to make to instance teams, leading to us making a large and barely profitable one. We would just like to be able to go with the same cool down as 80100 or 120200. It takes 1 week and a half for cooldown to run down for 6080, and say if we go on sunday, when most people are available, at 8GMT, we can only do one on monday the next week. mean we can go pretty much 1 time per week for 3 consecutive weeks, then take 1 week off, if all members can go for fri, sat and sun. 6080 isnt under the same problems as 1200200 and 100120, where their farmed every day. The basic idea behind this topic is too make it so that its very slightly more expensive to instance at top levels (where you can afford it) and slightly cheaper and easier at the lower levels, where we needs this restriction reduced, as it makes it expensive to teach people to instance.

-Have summoned monsters give the summoner combat xp for the damage the familiar does. Might make an interesting alternative to training by yourself: Level summoning and train combat a little faster at the cost of cash. Sorry i can see people summoning tank bunny, and training on them. Get 2x as much exp.

That ^^^ Make it like instance,but only thing that drops are plats, keep breakages, no exp. Easy as that, and just have maybe 2-4 copies of thelinor tavern, and allow tiers, like <60, 60-90, 90-120, 120+, and uncapped. This would promote use, as some of the reason why lower levels dont pk is because of all the 160s who kill them only. And if its not used as much as expected, you still have the uncapped option to allow full game use. And just idea, what about for every plat you have, when you die, you only drop 1, so like rostogols in instances, you respawn and can continue. means you can have longer fights and even more of a jackpot.

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Join BEAR! If your active, decently levelled & have a good knowledge of EL, then join us. We PK, Invance, Instance and Fight Invasions, We accept all builds, suppourt each others endevours, and have no Allies, but have plenty of friendly guilds. We are trying to build our guild up to me a good, interesting guild, with experienced players. At the moment we mostly have pretty good, crafty, intelligent and cool players in. We Also except visits, but we do want you to be of a decent level, and visits aren't applicable to the below offer. We Are Also Ranked 16 In Tailoring 72 In Member (Correct At Time Of Posting) And now, i'm offering any members who stay active in the guild for 3 months, with One of the following of their choosing. 1 Titanium Chain Mail 1 Golden Star Mace 1 Cheap Cutlass 1 Cloak Of The Unbreakable NOTE: All Items are Subject To Availablity, Inflation, and You may have to wait while items are located, muled, or made, as well as money for items acquired. NOTE: This Offer May Be Cancelled At Any Time, With Only a change of This Post. NOTE: This Offer Is Only Being Supplied By JoeButler, Not By Atomos. Any Spamming, pestering or any other annoying demands for items to either of us will void this offer to you. NOTE: We can reject questionable members access to the offer or prolong their active period for their elligibility to the offer PM JoeButler Or Atomos In Game, send us a Forum PM, Post On our Guild Forum Come Help Shape Our Guild!!! *excuse the typos*

I'm not sure we can back that up... but anyway, we are still recruiting

At the moment i aso offer antisocial services, so PM me in game if your interested in that as well. I also offer myself as 6080 instance enter (1k) or ranger (share). PM me in game prices, or send mercator message /mercator tell joebutler Or post below EDIT - typo .

I didn't you were working with polarstar Elke And i still need to work on your icons as well.... The entire village is missing in the north lol.

Hard to do...but how much harder than instances? And i now see point of no exp inside maps, and like idea of 20 min limit, as thats just shorter than KF clash, and makes sense. nathanstenzel - before it would be implemented, a poll should be done, as obviously at the moment we're working on the concept. This would certainly look attractive to PKers and some who are afraid to enter KF/DPA for fear of unfairness. Only thing im worried about is if someone will try and ruin it by, i dont know, entering and brodding everybody, sabotages games, etc.

I think the idea, is for an NPC, not an event, as to promote both PK and to provide more gc going out of game, and to give plats a use. So: NPC, sends you to copy of thel with TD rules & Non drop To enter you bet, say 5 plats to npc, and haidir pass(or some other shop item) 5 people enter, Last man standing gets 80% of bets, aka 20 Plats. Therefore, the idea utilises the idea of sending you to a map copy (Like Invance code), a betting NPC (like the Lottery NPC) and rules from maps. Saying total war...wasnt that disabled iirc? This idea would freshen up PK if it was installed as part of the game, provide radu with $$$$, be a gc sink and its basically taking parts of the game that already exist. If this was event, it would not be money sink, not provide radu with any significant $$$$, and we'd be back to the odd and occasional KF/DPA fight and newhope killing hydroers.

I have alt now at rank 19 in guild, so i can now instantly get you in, even if im in J&H at the time. So PM me or atomos if your interested, we except all people.

Orick - that prevents summoners & rangers, and mages probably want to stay a bit away. Thel tavern is just big enough for this to work, but small enough to keep action going. Think of the thelinor tavern PK instance map in the same way as you would of a multiplayer First Person Shooter map - keep it small enough so theres always action, but big enough for tactics. Summoning/range/magic should have exp given, since their fairly expensive for the good 'uns. Just make it have cut off exp maybe? so if people do want to use it for training, it works out as a money sink, benifitting economy (more gc out of game to balance the amount coming in)

Make the instances more intresting and different for ones above 100-120, i think, is a good idea. And about the 6080/80100, thats what i was saying

It would be nice to not need to rope in a mod, since it requires alot of future planning, and if map was open to events like that, unless you make arena onlu accessible via certain key-used-on-objects, telling people you trust the keys, and have non magic area in spectator zone, to prevent ttr into arena and wipe out combatants, as i think a few people would do. And events are only last so long, an NPC would be more convenient AND more proactive.

Orick - You have covered almost everything i could possibly think off. The Bar does keep getting raised, generally to apply to the higher levels, and then since the higher levels have the bar increased, people think lower levels bar should be raised, and that ends up with people like me, who allready have armour/weapons that are way above average of range, having difficulty. Players want more challenge, mods/admin/dev's give them it, then as they press for more challenge, with increasingly wider effects, players who have been content with things as they were are knocked down, and neglected. IMO, its this increased expectation from people of all levels, reducing what lower levels can do for entertainment, increasingly, and letting people who spent ludicrous amounts of time on EL as being the only ones allowed entertainment. (OK, this is only vaguely connected, but i think it should be thought of when doing anything that applies to the ranges around my level, e.g. 4060/6080) And Invances shouldn't be effected by this. They're fine as they are, i've done 4060/6080/80100s and all are fine. Again, if its you guys over 100 complaining of it being farmed, half of the complainers are culprits in doing so. lol, but aside from that... Lower Levels can hardly get instances (6080 im speaking of generally) because of lack of players, increasing challenge would mean killing of instances for us alltogether.

I'll test platinum coins, give me a sec Plats do drop, dropped mine on 2nd #suicide & about the implementing of it on guild map, maybe get someone to update an existing one. I know LotS has one, not sure if Elfers would want to implement the tavern there, since it'd would mean making a few more rooms, and a corridor to go either to Tavern or the actual guildmap. EDIT: Tested Plats drops, but in result

I voted No to hanging about, but i think you should allow people to go AFK for a maximum of 5 Minutes, for a legitimate reason, and after warning their team. I also voted no equip restrictions. i think 6080 should come under 4060 rules, as i know that very few of wannabe 6080ers have the kit, and to tell the truth, these restriction are killing the lower ranges. We have small teams at the best of times, and people who you would want on invances cant afford the equipment. People working on specialised builds are also heavily penalised with the existing ruleset. Just one thought; In the 4060 we had some people with steel/iron plate set. And we also had guy in augs. The guy in augs was far more fun to have, and contributed far more to the overall invance than the heavily armoured guy. I just read SunriseCoders Post about why lower levels don't invance anymore; Its not because people aren't willing, its because they don't have the confidence, their a mixing/harv character, rostogols cost too much and we're bombarded with scammers alts. We don't have any newbies anymore, to take part, and we dont have rostogols to burn, so take a back seat. Just my own opinion.

Stos nearby too, and Thelinor is unused. Give it a use!

Plat coins are 1k to buy from NPC, and if you trade them back, less; something like 800-900 gc. Tbh i think just use plat coins for it. & dont shut off thel tavern, make a copy of it it for 'Bar Fights' Team PK matches. Small is good, you cant shy away from the fight. Also think, this is one money sink that'd also be epic for tanks/mages/summoners. There advantages would be great.