Lorck

Look what i said, i did not say 'newbie'. I was refering for ppll who simply came late to the party and want to achieve some power. What they can do? Attack every hulk they see? Ooops, you cant differentiate between hulks and no hulks, so when he will go to pk maps? I agree that newbies should not go to pk maps... but a ppl who once was a newbie never has the right to go to a pk map? I dont want ppl simply close the party, and dont let nobody gets in. I want some realism and rpg... Ranged system of show stats based on the eye icon is so ebul? OMG, Lorck knows my summoning goes from 50 to 75, he has too much knowledge over me. EDIT: and new fighters having disavantage from ppl who is there at more time (and therefore knows who is strong and who is not), is only one issue, there are more if you care to read my previous posts you will see them. And one point does not make the other "weaker".

You actually tried '/iknow stats ppl_who_hide_stats'? It will not show. So there are a point on the discussion. Pkers do know NOW who is strong and who is not. And if a newer fighter try to fight a old boy he is screwed, why? How he can actually determine how strong the opponent is. Its a fest for *high lvl* pkers, for the others... I really have to say the issues one more time? I tought i already have said many times... EDIT: there will still be some intrigue with ranged stats (in say 25), and its more fair too, a fighter of a/d 60/60 will at least know if he will be attacked (and killed straight away) for a fighter of more than 100 a/d. Or you think he will stand a fight long enough to have a clue about the other player?

OMG, plz at least look at my suggestion *before* flaming me ---> with a ranged system the stats will be preserved, and cheaters, scammers will have a harder day; ---> it is more realistic, because it is the way it happens in the real world; ---> it helps roleplaying, because its more realistic. There are something wrong with that? If the anwser is "i like the current system because it comes from devs" or "i like the current system because it gives me advantage over other player", i think i heard that before. _________________________________- When i mean "devs only listen to Enyo" it means: devs only listen to ppl who dont disagree with them? I think only Enyo does not understood that. _________________________________ I'm not arguing just for the sake of it. I am arguing because i like this game and i am playing dayly from 5 months...

Thanks for you support Enyo ________________________________________________ About been slave i mean: if i will work for free, i want at least to work in what i like. In what other way i can support the game if not the followings: a) buying some p2p stuff ---> i am planning to do it say what i like ----> i do it (look other threads and you will see) c) say what i dont like -----> is not liking a feature insult mods? d) offer some work in what i can -----> again for this i want to work in what i like ________________________________________________ For flaming ppl not supporting the change: i will like to see reasons about why they support it. If ppl dont like the changes i propose plz say why (like Ornitorrinco did), if not is just senseless insult (look at what you did) _________________________________________________ In what ways i do not be supportive or receptive to changes? If that are for good so why not? Do you want to silence ppl who disagree with you? _________________________________________________ If cyclops get changed and its harder to achieve the lvl Enyo is, she is all for the change. If some change make she harder to pk, she is all for the change. If someone disagree with that is flamed. Why not have a system who keeps privacy and prevents the problems stated above? Why not have more monsters? Again if can help with it, i will do. ____________________________________________________ Its all was not meant to be a insult to devs. I have to say how many times i want to help, but if the only phrase i hear is "if you dont like feature x, quit the game altogheter", i can not. __________________________________________________ I think the feature will not "destroy the roleplaying", but i do think some add ons will make it more realistic and therefore better to the game.

If you like the command is fine for me. But you looked at my previous posts? Do you have solutions for the bad things? How i stated before (and was erased) simply praising without bringing nothing new to discussion is pointless. I do want a medieval phantasy(though some elements of high tech would be cool) mmorpg with some elements of realism. It was stated before "if you dont like feature XYZ, you have to quit the game", but i think this is throw away the water with the baby. I am suggesting improvements. I do agree this change brought more chalenge to the table, but it brought some bad things also. A lot of ppl (who benefited *directly* from this change) are praising it without even look at bad things, and saying "there is not a middle term, or the stats are completly hidden or not". I think a half approach is more realistic, but it may be only me. While i have hope of i can change the game for the better (this include even contribute with the game, but i dont want to be a slave doing only what other devs tell me to do), i will do. If somebody thinks its too complex to implement those changes i proposed, feel free to pm me in game (i know C, i386 assembly, lisp and python, i learnt it all to make scientific progs ), and i will help gladly.

There are some ppl who dont like perks and still use them or use cloacks... to use a feature does not mean you support it. If your enemies are hiding, you will be the one to stay on the spotlight? Ornitorrinco, i think there are more ways to show support than simply praising no matter what they do. There is a bible passage which states: "Its better to hear the rebuke of the wise than the song of the fools"

Yeah, MacDonalds is the best restaurant, because most ppl like go lunch there. Windows is the best operating system because most ppl use it. Only ppl who is either a scammer or cheater (and those dont deserve my respect), or very high level pkers benefited from this change... and guess what? they show support of it... I dont think the unrealistic approach "you see a uber Rambo on the street and cant differentiate it from a cat", would win in such a pool. Why? because most ppl like this game as a rpg, and as such would like to see some interesting stories intead of just randonly attacking each other in pk maps. EDIT: some spelling errors

Ok, since ppl just simply dont read my previous posts i will try to resume: -To know exactly a person stats is unrealistic, but having no knowledge at all is more unrealistic; -Next time i will see a boxing fight i will not look of the size and agility of the opponents, for respect of their privacy; -In the now current system, watchers cant see if someone got a sudden increment in their stats; -With a ranged system of showing stats using the look command, it seems much more realistic. Or using colors, or anything else. -In the current system the bad doers can change their name and nobody have elements to know nothing about him or their previous actions. Now this is better for the 'community' in what way? -Without reveling much information, how a person will be harassed for having stats? (OMFG, Lorck knows my magic level goes to 25-50, what i will do?) -Guild stats page is cool -I'm not even talk about scammers... some ppl think is good to have some bad guys so if it benefits them more power to them.

I dont wanted to flame anybody... look at my suggestions.. look at my points... they dont have any value? If i flamed is for ppl praising it (and btw flaming me) without providing any valid point after "this gives some chalenge" (it have prenty of chalenge before, ever tried to fight a chymmy barehended, or a fluffy without armor, stand a fight with multiple opponents, or...), and without providing any solution to the bad things it comes. I would like to say, omfg, those changes are so awesome, but i cant sadly...

First, i did know the stats of almost everyone in the top50 list, because i thought this would be good for the construction of my char, and because it is no trouble as i have excelent memory. Sorry for invading your 'privacy' and to all other ppl who hide their stats. Secound, when i saw the post, i thought only scammers and cheaters would take advantage of it. Why? Its too easy to scamm and cheat when you dont have a trustworthy way to know somebody. Now ppl can gain 30 or 40 lvls because of a bug and nobody would see that. And someone was trying to find training partners without disclose their stats. Third, i take you as exemple because normally you is the one who flame me. Fourth, i talk when i like some change, like the new p2p races or the new skill or the new shared vision. But when i see something i do considere wrong in the game i criticize (read i try to find solutions and suggestions)... ppl who only do praise the devs harm the game imho, because it make up the game problems (or do you think the game is perfect?). I am aware of the game changes, and i will say if i like each change or not... i dont care if nobody will hear it or not.

How many constructive criticisms are taken in account? None? I'm starting to think the only person important enough to take her oppinions considered by devs and mods is Enyo

I agree. But i will always at least try. My major concern is not 'privacy'. My concern is cheating, with lots of yes looking your stats is harder to increase it in a unfair way.

A suggestion: instead of simply hiding completly the stats, why not show the stats a little imprecise (like in a 25 basis). For instance, Enyo has around 90 attack, and the new stats page would show this as 75-100 or something like that. In this way it will ensure privacy and prevent rampant scamming, and you can know who is a newbie or not in a pk map. Its also a bit realistic, if you know chemistry, for exemple, you can imprecisely learn his/her chemistry lvl after see the person working for a few minites in real life.

But when i look someone fighting i can see how agile or strong s/he are.

If hiding stats becomes a trend i predict a new way of scamming, and luring people to pk maps. Also the only beneficial side effect this change i can see is to have ppl changing name all the time, financing in this way the development of the game.

Final Fantasy series is my fave game... i played it for 7 years until get bored of it. I would apreciate some futuristic thematic in the future, maybe some discoveries of a advanced and ancient technology buried in a far place would be awesome.

Poor goblins

Attack allies while training certainly is not a honorable thing, heck, even attack neutral persons while training is not a honorable thing. If you have *any* honor why you dont break your allience *before* attack? This kind of behavior will not make *CO* allies (and i think) not even friends. Before this, the only thing i heard about *CO* is that the oldest guild and i had good impressions of it, but if it accept members which only fun is to go to pk maps and attack his own guild allies while training i certainly dislike. ______________________ And someone mentioned harm as unfair... harm is perfectly fair imho.

Maybe Mortos could bless an elite of orcs, his temple is filled with fem orcs... we could call them armed fem orcs, it would be nice! :axeman_rune:

One of my gods in game is Mortos, and i would not like to fight forever ogres... so i'm basically screwed?

In tradicional fantasy vamps simply burn at sunlight. Orcs (the orcs of lord of the rings are not pure, but crossed with gnomes to travek at day) and kobolds are dazzled because of their eyes. Drows and some dwarf kinds (like dwergar) live on the underground because they are outcasts. Maybe a harsh penalty like 10 mp lost per min would prevent vamps to traven at day, and yeah, the raw meat healing is fun. Maybe for orcs and kobolds a good penalty/bonus would be some attributes increase at night and wane at day.

If some maps on c3 is subterranean, the sun problem of vampires, kobolds, orcs, etc, would be solved (they could be live happily there at day and stalk other continents at night). And could be some differencied normal races like drows and some kinds of dwarves coming from there. Added to this, there are some monsters who will fit pretty fine in those cenarios.

In regular phantasy orcs have trouble with sunlight (maybe for this they live in caverns and catacoumbs in this game). The chars orcs would have +/- in night/day? I would not even mention vampires... I would like to see kobolds in the game too.

Yeah!!! New skill, crafting been worth lvling againg with the introducttion of new rings, and improved combat! Wow this all will be really cool!

Goblins will rule!!!