Miiks

Just tell me why? It doesn't even help you to harv in c2 if it's so rare day. So I still don't like this idea as I'm playing n00b char myself too.

C1 is n00b continent, C2 is for "pr0s", so I say no. Leo is not ment to kill every single n00b on C1. They don't even have change to kill it, so my answer is NO. And that was the most stupid idea from you after that cape of destruction.

The biggest problem to most players in EL is that it needs so much patience. In runescape you can start killing goblins etc. right after you make your char and in WoW you can lvl just by doing quests. I have told many people about EL and they have played couple weeks and then said it's boring. But IMO this is just good thing. I don't care how much playrs game has, because most important thing is the quality of players. As you can see in runescape, there is lots of trolls, scammers etc. just because it's so easy to start and practically you don't need to work at all to become a pker (or can u even pk in RS anymore?) or pr0 in some other skill. But of course I watch this game just as a game, not as business so my opinions can be different than Ent's. Anyways I hope there won't be things that makes game easier (as removing rule 5), because the quality of players would maybe drop after that. Just read bans forums and you will notice it's not a big lost, that those people get banned because of breaking the rule 5.

So this was Acelon's idea, but I saw this so interesting that desided to make own thread to it to get some conversation. But my opinion is that normal mirror cloak could have change to mirror BoD / BroD hits. Change should be pretty low (0,75 % change with BroD and 0,8 % change with BoD if I calculated it right?). And because the change is that low, maybe make it so, that red cape doesn't protect against mirrorised BoD / BroD hits? I'll make it clearer with an example: I'm fighting toom with my a/d 13 char and make damage every time I hit him with BroD. Toom has mirror cape and there is 10 % change (iirc) that cape mirrors damage back. There is 5 % change to hit him with BroD so if I hit him with BroD and cape mirrors damage back, I would get branched instead of Toom. Same thing with BoD. This would make mirror cape bit more useful, as people don't want to run random branching everyone with mirror cape. So what do u think?

Btw I just started thinking, that is the max amount of players in game still same 2000 accounts as it was earlier? If everyone has 3-4 alts and are playing them at same time, server would be full at "bad" days.

Chinese gold farmers ftw! \o/ Well for real I think EL is bit too small game to make good profit by selling gold, so I don't see that as a problem. But IF it would happen, it is bad thing for those people who want to sell some gc to pay their bills etc, because gc price would surely come down fast.

Hehe good point Most of people who have broke rule 5, looks to be crying kids that are annoying in game anyways (of course not all of them) and it's better to get them banned

*swings a pendulum before miiks eyes* You will change your opinion... You will change your opinion... You will change your opinion... You will change your opinion... Piper Rofl.. Well I can't change my vote anyway anymore

That is correct, but that hasnt anything to do with multiplaying. If someone has more time to play EL than you or i do, s/he will level faster, of course. That is a fact we simply have to accept. But that has nothing to do with rule #5. Piper Ops yes when I think it bit more, it doesn't practically make any difference So yes u was right Or I don't know... hmm... damn too much thinking for me when I'm tired. But still that didn't change my opinion.

I don't even try to quote your post anymore, so I'll just asnwer here: 1) Yes neg perks could be removed, but still it would be unfair fot those people who wants / aren't able to play with more than one acc. 2) Not hard to harv with your alt army at same time when your main char is training. It was easy on pk server too when I was playing there, so shouldn't be problem on main server too. 3) - 4) I know that too, but still practically it goes this way: there is person who plays 24 hours in a day and person who plays 12 hours in day. Practically person who can play 2x more, can also lvl 2x faster. But think when there is, let's say just 2 players on both persons. The person who plays 2x more, could lvl 4x faster now than player who can play half less. And difference would be even bigger, if there is more than one alt or bigger cap between their playing times. That is TOO unfair IMO. Btw that was just ideal case, not supposed to work like that in game too Luckily it looks that this is not going to happen ^^

K, which ones? Beside might, could, would and other guesses? Piper Ok I'll try to list them here: 1) Neg perks. 2) What I already said before. U should practically choose if u want to be pker or trainer. U can't be both because u need to have all attributes full to be able to pk and u can't train if u have them all full. 3) It COULD (I know, I know) ruin the economy of the game. It's bit different on pk server, as there is not so much players. 4) Those people who have most time to play, woud benefit most. Now there is just one player harving or training 24/7, but compare it when there is 2-5 char's doing same things 24/7. It would rehearse (is that correct word? ) the cap between those who plays EL as their work and those who are really working and can't play that much. 5) I had something else on my mind but forgot... Edit: I remember it now... Some people has really slow computers so they can't even run 2 programs at same time. So again it would be unfair to them. And if there is no limit for alts, some people could run 5 or 6 alts at same time when someone else can run just 2 or 3. (most of them are my own thinkings as I was too lazy to read whole thread I think there is also good points by other persons )

Give it a try and you know. Piper U can do "fun" things at same time with your main and just check your alt sometimes, if it's still harving or full. So I think that's not "real" work. Of course someone says that game has to be fun, but there has been enough reasons why it would make game just less fun.

Main takes anti and alt buys all things for main. Or just make money to buy all those hydro bars and nex removals that are needed for buying pps

Can your comp run 50 clients at the same time? Is it technically impossible to limit the number of clients coming from the same IP? So, about what are you worried? Piper I think he's just like me and likes to make things bigger than they really are And as asgnny said, even one alt allowed would be too much. (or did he say so? At least someone said lol)

Im glad someone finally mentioned some names ! Ive seen these names come up alot when referring to a historical Jesus. Trouble is not one of these people lived at the same time as when Jesus is supposed to have. So they are writing down what they have heard from other people, not what they experienced themselves, for all we know it could have been passed to them as third fourth of fifth hand information. Its not really historical data to write down what other people have told you. Besides there are far more people who DID live in Jesus' supposed time who DIDNT write a single word about him, not a word. Why ? SUrely someone would have noticed him healing the sick, surely SOMEONE in the ancient world would have noticed the sky turning black ( a solar eclipse ? not mentioned ) and an earthquake ? And Josephus' writing about Jesus is really really questionable as to if its real or not. Not to mention Josephus also speaks about hercules being a real god to, so ... hmm should we believe that to ? Anybody ever read about the Council of Nicea ? Where they decided which books would go in the New Testament and which would not ? Also, anybody ever read about the other saviours of mankind that pre date Jesus ? The same saviours that were died and rose from the dead ? What about Petra ( peter ) the egyptian god who holds the keys to heaven and the afterlife? What about Amen ? WHere does that comes from ? Which ancient religions of the world were saying Amen thousands of years before Christians muttered it at the end of thier prayers? Which other dying and resurrecting godmen were born at the winter solstice ? ( dec 25th )Which other godman was called The Light and The Way ? Tell me ! Which other God Man was referred to as the Lamb of God ? Look into it , absolutely fascinating. Theres really alot more to this than first meets the eye, and by the way Morpheus ( Erma ) thanks for judging me *edit* alot of editing Good points And I have been saying whole time, that I'm not trying to prove Jesus was anything special But still I think there must have been someone like Jesus (just teacher etc.) that has started rumours about him. And still there is people who lived at same time as Jesus was supposed to live... in bible -_-' I also notice u know lot more about these things than I know, but I still think most of people mentioned in bible are true. Including Jesus. Of course I can't prove it, but u can't prove he wasn't real too ;D So I think arquing about this is pretty needless + I fully believed in bible earlier, but not anymore after I started to use my own mind instead of listening my parents and other believers.

Actually, you make a very good point Gohan, that i hadn't even considered... this would allow more people to buy pickpoints, potentially helping to further balance PK. Definitely Yes. But what about people who also wants to train and pk at same time? They can't take all attributes full if they wants to get good exp too and then there would be these uber pkers that kills them with 3 hits when they wants to go pk a bit? So there would be just few uber pkers fighting together and others are still training and they can't pk until they decide to become fulltime pkers.

I agree.

Where are these Historical Records? Who are you referring to exactly ? Please provide information to back this up ! Seriously guys if you are able to do this you both deserve to be made St's !! Id LOVE to see some of these historical records please. As to date, nobody on planet earth has been able to provide ONE account from anybody living at the same time as when the big J.C was supposed to. Any real scientist doesn't say Jesus wasn't real person. There is more historical reconds about him than most of other historical persons. And yes bible is included in these historical records. There is so much different writers writing about him, that he mush have existed. Do u think all those people who wrote bible, just applied that there is mythical person named Jesus? It's different thing do u believe in his miracles or not, but there sure was person named Jesus Secondly there is some records about Jesus outside of Bible too. I just can't remember what they was. Anyways I don't understand why people are crying "OMFG there sure wasn't person named Jesus etc. etc." Why is it so hard to believe, that maybe there is something true in bible? U think that if u believe Jesus was a real person, u have to believe that whole bible is true? just because there is so many ppl writing about him doesnt prove anything... its sorta like santa clause.. its by word of mouth one person says it they pass it on and it spreads.. just because santa clause is talked about alot doesnt mean he is real.. i never said "OMFG there sure wasn't person named Jesus" so dont eggsagerate (spelt wrong i know) the bible doesnt proove anything, if i payed 1000 people to right a book very similar to the one i wrote about a ceartin religion... then in 2000 yrs time it doesnt mean it is real just because so many ppl write about it. please note im not saying one guy payed many ppl to write the bible, im just saying there are many ways to pass on one thing to another person. I didn't mean u said it. I mean that generally. That many people are saying Jesus wasn't real. Anyways there was an article about Jesus in one science magazine (Tieteen kuvalehti in Finland) and they said not many scientist says that Jesus wasn't real and also they mentioned few sources outside of bible that mention Jesus. I just can't find that magazine again. And still as others pointed here, there was someone from whom Santa Claus model is taken. So there must have been someone like Jesus, that has started rumours about him. And sorry for my perfect English again I swear I'm better debater in Finnish lol. Edit: From wikipedia: for example next historians mentions Jesus: Josephus, Tacitus, Thallus, Plinius, Mara Bar-Serapion, Suetonius, Talmud. Also IMO it's one prove too that Islam has taken Jesus as their prophet too. I don't believe that people who write quran, have read bible. So there must have been some other sources about Jesus. Still I don't try to prove that Jesus was more than normal person, so don't get me wrong. '

still dont see any ....... Bible? Actually, the New Testament is considered a reliable historical source by quite many researchers. That's what I have been trying to say whole time But u said it better

still dont see any ....... Bible?

Where are these Historical Records? Who are you referring to exactly ? Please provide information to back this up ! Seriously guys if you are able to do this you both deserve to be made St's !! Id LOVE to see some of these historical records please. As to date, nobody on planet earth has been able to provide ONE account from anybody living at the same time as when the big J.C was supposed to. Any real scientist doesn't say Jesus wasn't real person. There is more historical reconds about him than most of other historical persons. And yes bible is included in these historical records. There is so much different writers writing about him, that he mush have existed. Do u think all those people who wrote bible, just applied that there is mythical person named Jesus? It's different thing do u believe in his miracles or not, but there sure was person named Jesus. Secondly there is some records about Jesus outside of Bible too. I just can't remember what they was. Anyways I don't understand why people are crying "OMFG there sure wasn't person named Jesus etc. etc." Why is it so hard to believe, that maybe there is something true in bible? U think that if u believe Jesus was a real person, u have to believe that whole bible is true?

Cats and my bass guitar has soul, but other animals (including humans) dont't

Hmm I like this idea too (luckily I don't own JSoC anymore ) But anyways with special swords, change would be really really low. 2,5 % change to hit and then 10 % change that the cloak mirrors it back, so it is... hmm... 0,4 % change to mirror it back. And correct me if my calculations aren't right I'm really not good in maths so they can be wrong

Oops hard question Umh... Maybe? At least I wouldn't BroD or BoD anyone with red cape so... Ah after thinking it should work this way too. U can also take mirror perk and use red cape, so this is same kind of situation. Other way is to limit this effect just to mirror cape, but I think it's better if it works with mirror greaves and mirror perk too.

I was thinking that opinion too, but I also I'm sure branchers would think twice, before branching someone with mirror cape. There is already people who always pk in mirror / BP / even NMT and they also gets branched sometimes (u should know it ). Now it's too "easy" to pull branch and branch your opponent as u don't get any neg effects yourself. And I was suggesting, that red cape wouldn't protect from mirrored BoD or BroD hit. But IMO this could be nice thing to try and see how it works if it's not too hard to change