robotbob

Its a reoccurring theme. That totally does not apply here. What we are talking about is tourism. We (I assume) are talking about encouraging people to 'visit and join' the pk server. You do, as a tourist, need to be aware of the 'empire created rules' in order to not spend years in a prison over a misunderstanding. I could, for example, make myself aware of the customs and traditions of Myanmar (Burma) but you wont see me spending a holiday there. There is plenty to learn from observation. Wow, ok this is silly. not elitism but the first people on the server are pioneers? No I rather wait so I can choose not to be part of a 20 person clique, waiting until ~100 people gives me, or anyone else greater options in who they flatter in order to have some semblance of 'play'. I give up.

Yeah it was those silly people, you know those possible new players to join the pk server. Every month I think, hmm maybe I get an account just to afk there, or to negate the "IF yOu AInT Der YoU ThEn StFu!" response. But IMHO you guys have done enough negative advertising as possible, this forum section was the inadvertently a source of negative advertising. It created an image of a petty clique looking for more people to dominate. It only makes people think "Omfg, why pay $5 and have to deal with those 10-20 people in my free time" I say fix that part, and it would help a whole lot. I really hope it takes off, Ill be the first to pay $5 when it does. (I can start late, I don't care about being a top anything, I only compete against myself, next level and so on). But at the moment, I see a lot of "shooting yourself in the foot and wondering why you cannot walk". At some point you guys need to stop seeing "people on the main" or "doesn't currently play pk server" as the enemy. Anytime anyone meets this criteria in 'your" forum, he\she is attacked by the petty clique. I fully expect to be flamed for my reply, with most skimming it, and telling me to 'gfto or buy an account'. sincerely (really) robotbob edit:typo

Wonderful, tyranny of the majority, "I nominate you for one week on the pillory, all those in favor of not being voted in next week, say AYE! " AYE! : AYE! Or "I'd best advise you to do what I say, I have far more voting friends who shall cast their ballot as I see fit, care to play another game for a week?" Basically, our benevolent society of el, doesn't need witch trials or lynch mobs.

This sounds great! for a lack of better words, it kicks ass.

Since there is no unique item tracking in EL, and like Tauren said, its *poofs* at the npc. Then you add storage to track Gold coin [#123232] [Date&Time][Traded: map xxx ToPlayer: xxx] for each coin, for each trade... yeah way too much data and overhead for a novel thing. -Side Rant, Ok big side rant - [i have issues with the wheresgeorge phenomenon, so my 2 cents] The problem with 'wheresgeorge.com' is they originally (and probably out of complete nativity) endorsed violating federal law. Now they keep themselves protected with a degree of "Eh I dunno what are users do" (It was "we make $ helping you violate federal law, OOPS!") So eek, can't help you there reply. Ok, "wink" they can tell you where to get a custom stamp as long as they don't imply what its for Again, they hands off, leaving up to the user to determine if they violate the law. But however they are an LLC, and DO make money from this, by allowing users to risk: http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/ge...=Cite:+18USC333 I agree its a neat idea, tracking where in the world a $ will go, but I think its even more cool to find a loophole where users walk violating federal law at the same time.

For the 2nd problem try: Settings->Video->Mouse Bug or ATI Bug.

See, this necro'd thread proves time travel is possible. We just visited a thread from 3 years ago

Conavar: Edit: Be nice to know just for the record, how many Players wanted a new 60/60 arena in DP [i don't mean to poke at you korrode, but since I was an opponent of this idea I couldn't hold back, I have the memory of an elephant ] "We all know these 'Arena chars' are made by experienced PK'ers and make those arenas completely unusable as safe-ish PK" But but but but, It took a year-ish, I'm glad you now see the 'arena char' issue. Wait hold the phone: It just got moved. 60ad level limit near DPa "just try it...change it back" doesn't work because "no one ever wants to throw out the work they've just done..." I not sure if Radu and the 'some map makers' enjoy waffles like I do Ok breakfast is over, on topic. ----------------------- I agree again there need sto be pk area consolidation, and maybe a system in a map that could ensure a degree of 'balance' in a pk 'duel'\'team' battles. I am worried about the system that won't allow a much weaker char to 'have a go" at a stronger guy for fun. It why I like the 'duel' thing and maybe it could be extended into group duels. (I know this is really 'total war', perhaps a revamp of that system )

This is the BEST list of any sort thus far. This is really what this thread should have become from its onset. Its the people that constitute the activity and not the mechanics itself. But I do think player combat at its core is opposed to any real help, let me explain: In regards to nurturing, attracting, new pkers: The goal in large pk battles or even the small ones is to win, and its not a lesson in fairness. So, the only players with any interest in improving someones "pk skills" would only be a guildie,friend, non opponent. The last thing you want to give your opponents all your skills, tactics and planning. The truth is, they only want to "pWn the noobs" and be the kings of a pk arena\map. Then the obligatory "flames" follow it with "#IG noobguild ROFLMAO! NoobGuild = pWn'd!!~!~11" Success is measured by "we owned the arena" = no one was able to enter the arena or die to us. Its the same for any map, its the goal of the winning team. This (albeit indirect) maybe a motivator for the "noobguild" to train and improve in order to beat the mob they lost to. This also leads to the giant alliances in which no one can attack each other, and the only enemy is that evil mob. So pk is essentially a local chat session until the 6-9 enemies arrive. (note: I am 100% against any flames in local, pm, or via IG after a win or loss. Win and Lose with grace) The only suggestion that imho makes sense is a "Duel System" with an item(s) wagered on the Win\Loss of it. True 1v1 with the gambling of an item, so its fair & rewarding.

It makes sense that options to "make PK more appealing" would not include the addition of even more stuff. Why would changes to the system "make more sense" than additions to the system to "make pk more appealing"? So how is your "PK City" idea not a new addition, but a change? there isn't an area to be 'changed', but only to be added. It has absolutely nothing to do with the item and how 'pro' it is. It has everything to do with the time it takes to acquire that item ONLY. It takes less time to acquire a titanium serp vs a thermal serp, therefore the gap is less in time needed to compete (after failure and loss). If it takes 2 hours to gain enough gold coin to purchase a thermal serp and everyone has one, the logic of how effective that item is, is pointless. Again how overpowered an item has nothing to do with it at all. No system should be designed so the lazy average joe is top dog, no? Why shouldn't someone who spends more time and effort get a greater result? El uses free market capitalism (appears, I'm not an economist), and this is how average joes vs the elite work in this system. The average joe can't compete with Mr. WallStreet in autos or wardrobe either. The el market system you want its the socialist one, we go to NPC Karl each EL month to get our PK gear allotment. This complaint has two fronts, both in the time it takes to acquire items along with the time required to gain levels. If it took 3 months to reach 150ad, and 1 hour to gain all needed pk gear, would you play such a game? It would greatly appeal to the insta-fun crowd greatly, until they got bored in a few months and leave, boredom by repetition without goals. Most common excuses to not pk. Not one most common reasons to pk. Since that is the basis of the thread "To pk or not pk" that leaves the thread as merely another complaint list, no? It is also extremely rare for anyone to post anything that isn't a complaint list. Even your 'ideas' start on the precept of a complaint. As far as the "Other" option is concerned, it can ONLY be a "other complaints" because ALL of the preceeding clickboxes are in fact complaints. How in the world could you imply additions in other when its proceeded in that way?

I didn't 'take it' anyway, its a complain list, no? Only one option from the whole poll is not a complaint. Well the straw man exaggerated question I can't answer because I never said that is was bad 'new guys' wanted to join in. Again another exaggeration: "I have fought my ass off to prevent losing a 16kgc worth rosto instead of losing it within 2 seconds. " I can say since the cap, it takes nearly a 70ad difference in A\D to get anything close to insta-killing someone. But there will be someone winning a lot, and someone losing a lot, and you will never have the system made to where everyone has reached 1:1 kill:die ratio. I apologize if it seems I am attacking you, I'm only against the circle pk is dead loop.

[i apologize in advance for the length of this, just didn't want to post again And none of this is directed at any replies thus far in the read, Im only addressing the spirit of yet another post of this type] This poll is just another form of "omfg pk is dead ~!11!!" organized in a clickable list. I'm guessing so it slips under the radar of: Pk is dead Why do I say this? Look at the radio button options. The pk is evil option. PK??? Ewwwww I R teh peacefull harver/potter/alcher and don't even own a weapon bigger than a pickaxe! I tried it a few times, but simply dont enjoy it [COST PK is too expensive -.- [DEAD]I am a pr0 PKer but PK is dead and I spend my time moarning it's loss instead of trying to revive it [DEAD]There aren't many people active in PK for me to get the chance of a reasonably fair fight [The only 'other' option somehow balancing it] How do you mean, never?? I live for PK! Now for the clickboxes. [Pk is dead because of: Evil $$ IRL] Ban the special armors and weapons that give people superpowers (e.g. BOD, BROD, but also COTM, Ubber Def greaves, etc) [Pk is dead because of: cost of rostos] Make rostogol stones cheaper somehow [Pk is dead because of: not enough level limited arenas] Limit the number of PK areas and make them all capped to a certain level [Pk is dead because of: main should be like pk server]Create more PK areas, matter of fact: PK should be allover [Pk is dead because of: pki killed pk] Ban PKI.. it makes the strong cockier, and the weak even more scared [Pk is dead because of: summon stones killed pk] Stop allowing summonstones to be used in singlecombat arena's [Pk is dead because of: nexus npc killed pk]Remove PP buying at NPC [Pk is dead because of: insert excuse here] Other..... At no point does the list ever try to answer the first question: "What would make PK more appealing to you?" No options like, nifty new magic, weapons, blood curdling screams. Is this REALLY a sincere "Please tell me should I pk" because: Its a complaint list again: I have noticed that it is very hard for someone my level to actually get a fair shot but the fact that you don't even allow others to enjoy having some of the fun you claim it can be, that puts me off. There is no way of using the cloaks atm due to certain people going around broding at free will, So I assume you define pk "fun" as "winning". I always enjoyed, "barely getting the f*ck out" too. Ahh at least "I for one will not let that stop me though." that great, so answered your own question. But really how many variations to the PK IS DEAD threads do we need, before this dead horse finally dies? Since items cost 'time' to produce and make and those items are used and possible broken in combat. Therefore, the combat section of the game will never be as packed as a First Person Shooter, where the combat items require little or no time to acquire. The only way you will get 'always busy pk' is to appeal to the instant fun type person that would need: A\D levels are govern by session, are zero when you begin and increase for that session as you win. NPC that gives out free gear. Well anyway, whatever makes people happy, guess people need to bitch nonstop about something. Edit: missed a radio button poll option

[Again I am totally for cheaper ingame items, so I just have questions] I'm just curious, why do you think Radu would intentionally do something that would cause less money for the support of the game? This would possibly be the toughest idea (lower the $ cost of item: rostogol) to ever get implemented. (I'm going to guess at the first possible reply: More people pking, good for the econ, more people playing el, etc...) I agree that the shop price sets the base, but... I also think the "RL$$ price in the shop" is a key factor why this game is free and hasn't been sold. Really the only way this would work is if the rosto "poof rate" goes 5 times it currently does in order to go back to break even at a 1/5 cost in the shop rostogol. Are you referring to "the shop" ? If so, who is "We" In closing, perhaps it would increase the usage rate and everything could balance out for all involved. (P.S. Not that you have, but its really silly to go "the evil $$ and the shop unbalances things in the game" because someone, somehow has to generate real money to pay for the server(s) & people's time)

I went ahead a scratched out one on your list since he apparently quit and all. I do agree with that, the 'greatest player' whatever that really means, doesn't mean the games martyr. But from reading this thread, no one definition of greatest player exists. Pkers list the greatest pker, all rounders and single 1/2 skill players note the top of their skill. Some list the person that has assisted them the most, or has been a good friend to them. There are a lot of great players\people in this game, imho, no single greatest player.

Well it seems like it, Instead of "one use" it has 5 uses. So its exactly same as 5 rostos for the price of one, or did I totally miss something.

Both are factors. The level limited arenas were as much about the current PK'ers as they were about enticing more people to PK though. Also; The level limited arena i suggested was never implemented, so u have an issue with me suggesting an alternative? Sounds like arguing for the sake of arguing. Although i still completely support level limited arenas all the way up the a/d scale, i was certainly more 'gung ho' about them before the attribute cap, when the training cycle went Feros -> Yeti and there was a huge trainer coord gap between the two. ...and so, Robotbob, you've come on this thread with a seemingly negative attitude towards the idea why exactly? This suggestion would hurt you how? ...maybe you prefer less people in PK? ...you like standing in KF solo and serping the f.chim? I never said it wasn't I'm sorry korrode but I won't defacto join your pk suggestion(s) of the week(s). If I am somehow arguing by not going "omfg korrode this rozx0rs" so be it. [i do agree, but] But its ANOTHER cheaper rostos post, ok? I with you on it, but the (paraphrased)"Why not try my 1,000 ideas on a whim what harm can it do?"is not a sound game plan. I agree on making the game cost less in time to purchase ingame items (not time for levels), but repeating this ad nauseum won't make is so. It only dilutes all your 'ideas' onto one long "lets try it blur". Explain. Why are the current level limit arenas empty, except when you hold a contest? Is it the new "Kusa arena needs to be single" reason? I never said it would. I never said I did. I never said I do. But again, Its about time, its about a plan. Would you as a project manager spend 100 hours implementing & removing things until 'player combat' is somehow magically 'full of people'? Each week the game would be different under the "trying it. If for some reason it's not working out well, it can be changed back." method. There is one variable you always omit in this, people. No matter how many suggestions you make, at some point, it up to the players to use\make it happen. Players complained about no reward for pk, so #pki was created, and NOW its cited as a reason to not pk (risk losing #pki). So there will always be an reason "not to pk" like what Articenens\Tempest said, cost of gear and supplies. Kadlub pointed out the core of it, "Yes, its not dead, thanks to LION and GODZ member for keeping it alive". Pk regardless of changing it weekly with "why not try it? methodology", is dependent on people. I'd didn't post to argue with you, I asked questions. Albeit none of them contained "Great " OK, if this will help, ignore my first post and the crap above this line. Cheaper R0stOs

Wasn't this suppose to be solved with all the level limit arenas? So they don't return because of cost now?, before you said it was because 'evil 120ader pWn'd them in 2 seconds'. Why every 5th death? Why not CurrentCostOfRosto/5. Then rosto poof rate stays the same (bricks), and its cheaper. And really "rostos cheaper suggestion" is probably in the 'search, been suggested before category' (and yeah, this is a thinly veiled rostos cheaper suggestion requiring a server dev, no offense )

I totally disagree. PvE shouldn't mean you must kill everything barehanded. A some monsters due to their respawn rate produce the same exp using a weapon with less srs\hes usage.

This isn't an "EL" issue, search the net: http://forums.microsoft.com/TechNet/ShowPo...9&SiteID=17 http://techrepublic.com.com/5208-6230-0.ht...375&start=0 Just google "windows-no disk"

Drue don't forget that we ARE our government, that's what democracy is all about! For the people, of the people, by the people. That adds up to IS the people. Yeah, call me Pollyanna. Still it's the truth, and it will take a hella moving and shaking to change things well enough just to give some power to some good people. It can happen and it has to happen. First of all, the United States is *not* a democracy. It is not now, nor has it *ever* been in the past. We are a Republic, nominally. [snip] Great post. I'm always tried pointing this out to fellow americans but they are so deluded under nationalistic propaganda, they became blind. Even the CIA lists its The United States of America as: Constitution-based federal republic; strong democratic tradition ref: CIA Factbook I do agree on your opinion of voting. I vote anyway, but its really "allow the mob to have their illusions". Its akin to allowing a slave to vote on what house he will live in, even if he selects one, he is still a slave. (I recommend a book: On Democracy By Robert A. Dahl)

Attention Mr Date Selective Reading Disorder, Last Post: Posted Feb 25 2007, 09:14 AM This poll is from: post Nov 2 2006, 07:33 PM On a topic that long passed and has been long implemented.

Just an FYI, tupac's name would be a popular culture reference to one subset group in the usa. I would probably have to explain who that person was to most people I deal with daily in my work, anywhere in the usa. So the correlation is not exact, it would be more like: AmericanGuy: Who the fuck is George Washington.

Alot of various unnamed monsters drop rostos and serp stones. However I cannot recall anything producing a binding stone. (limited giant & dragon experience in regards to drops)

I'm an all rounder, so I focus on one skill for a few days and rotate. I just came off an attack run and now I'm pursuing 4 more manu levels.

You are completely wrong in your assumptions about software life cycles. Ah, just a bottom of the scale genius. Seriously give your ego a rest for all of our sakes. Give it a rest, you don't know everything. Its OK. [Really, just say no to making this thread the tirun show. I only dared to say you don't know about software development & release management. So I expect you to drive this into the ground until something is deleted or snipped. And I know you will reply and I won't again, its pointless]