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Couldnt have said it better myself If people Re-read the topic starter this was never about IS THERE A GOD but more about the reason why people believe or not. IS THERE A GOD/s : In my opinion no but I cant prove there is not just the same that believers cant prove there is one. Questions to people who are believers. 1) If you believe in one God do you also accept that if your God is real then other gods of other Religions must there fore also be just as real ?. 2) If life was created on this planet by a higher being do you think they just stopped there and said ok thats perfect or put life on other plants. WIZZKID Yes I did read your post but didnt see that as a reason to believe my apologys. If that is your reason then fare enough

WIZZKID It all very well quoting the bible/koran etc but WHY do you believe . Anything happen to make you believe ? or are you just blindly putting your faith in a belief system Quoting any Religious txt is just like me Quoting J.R.RTolkein and saying it true they are just books . GANDALF Just saying look at the world around you and thats proof enough that a god exists is wrong.It like me saying look at all the suffering in the world and that proof that there isnt a god. Intelligence is not a proof of higher being or even of holyness in the eyes of god. Ants are less intelligent but there society is a lot better than ours.dont see them raping or mugging each other No one wants to prove you Wrong Gandalf ,your views are your own and my hat goes off to anyones beliefs but by the same token you cant prove you are right

No there doesn't. Why do you think this? Why does there HAVE to be a higher being? Don't PM. Post, there's a reason why this thread was publicly posted in the first place! Well said Lee its why i opened this topic to get peoples reasons and views on the matter .Be nice to know why ppl believe or not believe

Thats true but had a few nights on the Beer and woke up next to that monster on more than one occasion

Lol you pain think i know the film but cant remember the name. hint for ppl: is it the one where a girl is kidnapped and they hold jon voight hostage

heaven spawner medallion hmmmm dont go to hell when you die but lose the medallion ???

Lets do away with Rostos and have the Lady instead

http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/blbushisms.htm Lmao My favourite has to be : "I'm honored to shake the hand of a brave Iraqi citizen who had his hand cut off by Saddam Hussein."—Washington, D.C., May 25, 2004

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True. My biggest issue with Religion is that it Preys on peoples fear of death and think we all agree none of us want to die. So given a choice between being worm food or going to a imaginary or not Afterlife people are willing to blindly follow something that has no ounce of proof to it. Thats proberly what faith is blindly Believing something that you have been told. Certain church groups do a lot of good around the world with poor for example but the Church as as whole being wouldnt trust as far as i could kick it

Hope you are not suggesting the american goverment is stupid It President maybe but surely not all of them

Oil to be honest . If not to do with Oil and the West is the champion off invaded nations ( Kuwait) why didnt America charge off to save Tibet when China invaded ?

And I happen to be from the country which is the primary exporter of workers. I've never heard of someone NOT getting a job in the UK (by the way, you also seem to forget that you DON'T have to be registered to work. It's called illegal working and that also happens frequently), Quote actual figures before you start insulting honest and brave people who leave their families for many months and spend subsequent holidays far from home to ensure better living to their families, often ending up working in humiliating conditions - which can only be compared to slavery - without getting ANY social benefits at all (recently a major slave work camp has been discovered in Italy, but only yesterday I've heard about another possible camp in the UK). Oh, and here's some actual numbers I've found - according to CBOS (Centrum Badania Opini Spolecznej, The Public Opinion Research Center, one of the leading research centres in Poland), 31% of the Polish people have someone in their family who went abroad to work after May 1st 2004. 80% of them declare that their family members work legally and 12% - illegally (that indicator dropped from 25% in 2005). It leaves out 8% for the workers who didn't get any job. "The vast majority of workers since May 2004 are young: 82% aged between 18 and 34. 93% of workers state that they have no dependants living with them in the UK when they registered, and only 3% had dependants under the age of 17 with them." (so much for taking their entire families with them). I find any further discussion with you on the topic pointless. Quote actual figures before you start insulting honest and brave people who leave their families for many months and spend subsequent holidays far from home to ensure better living to their families, often ending up working in humiliating conditions - which can only be compared to slavery - without getting ANY social benefits at all (recently a major slave work camp has been discovered in Italy, but only yesterday I've heard about another possible camp in the UK). Any figures From an official goverment source can not be 100% trusted or didnt you know goverments have a habit of blurring the truth (And Britains is no differant) you are better off getting figures from independent sources Thats true we have them all shackled together in the cotton fields singing gospel songs. Must agree alot do work illegally for Gangmasters who use them as cheap labour in packing plants etc but they also earn as much in a week as they would in there home country in a month and if its that bad they are not forced to stay but most do . So cant be total evil can it ?? (slightly off topic could never understand young men fleeing oppression and poverty always left there familys behind. !! would be my first goal to see my family safe at ANY cost ) Oh, and here's some actual numbers I've found - according to CBOS (Centrum Badania Opini Spolecznej, The Public Opinion Research Center, one of the leading research centres in Poland), 31% of the Polish people have someone in their family who went abroad to work after May 1st 2004. 80% of them declare that their family members work legally and 12% - illegally (that indicator dropped from 25% in 2005). It leaves out 8% for the workers who didn't get any job. 8% who didnt get a job and 12% who work illegally (and more than likely claims benifits because the Gov does not know they are working) makes 20% who are proberly claiming benefits .So a conservative figure from the 600,000 total immigrants (not just Poles) would equal 120,000 people claiming welfare,not a small amount you would agree and thats just from one year. The vast majority of workers since May 2004 are young: 82% aged between 18 and 34. Which is what I stated most are young teen/early 20's I find any further discussion with you on the topic pointless True because until you have lived here and seen it with your own eyes then you are not going to understand and we will be disagreeing till nxt christmas. I say you dont understand not in a disrespectful way but you can only comment as someone from the outside looking in. ie: I can read the net and papers and comment on the living conditions in Africa but until you have seen it and lived it yourself you dont really get an understanding. And you can find Stats on the net and I can find Stats that contradict them and Vice versa be here all day

You just can't say that most of these people go to Britian to take advantage of their welfare system. Do you know the majority of them? No not personally but believe it or not I do read the papers ,I do watch the news. I live in a city which has been allocated (goverment wording) A large proportion of immigrants and ayslum seekers and you do know what is happening in your local community. If not for the welfare system then why ? They have past through many other countrys on there way here Germany.France etc so why not settle there o yeah they not a soft touch Yes perhaps theres the odd family across the street in which you hold contempt for because they might be on welfare. It's always a person to person thing. Besides, Britian could use more Multiculturism and it's doing more good than bad. lmao trust me it is more than a few .It ok commenting from half a world away with a very blinkered view of what is actually happening. Britain is one of the most Multiclutural countrys in the world.Communtitys of . Indian.Pakistanie,Chinese,Japanese,Italian,Australian,Turkish,Afro/Caribbean,Portugese etc The differance is the majority of these work hard to support themselves and there familys. The biggest problem is as these other ethnic groups have built up over time the explosion from Eastern europe is happening all at once. Maybe we should be more like are Liberal Friends the Canadians and put a Cap on the amount of people allowed to migrate to our country per year. 250,000 per annum I think the number is ,so considering the differant size in land mass . Britians should be about 20k I will say again because i think people believe Im against ppl coming to work and live in the UK ,couldnt be further from the truth as long as they want to WORK . Its not so much people coming into the country its the vast droves all allowed in at once.with a Police force streched to the limit and a Health service shot to pieces no one in there right mind can say its a good thing to let 100,000's of ppl into the country hmmm let me think from living here and seeing it first hand .Honestly dont patronize me im not a kid

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no you miss the point completly THE MAJORITY DO NOT WORK. THEY JUST REGISTER TO SAY THAT THEY INTENED TO (which most never do) They have registered to work which you have to do in able to claim state benifits . all that means is they have told the goverment that they are willing to find work not that they are in work or even looking for it ,its one of the wondeful loopholes in the system. How it works is .every 2 weeks you go to the job centre tell them you have been looking for work but have been unable to find any so you are eligible for state handouts.Every so often the Goverment might send you for a job inteview which you have to attend to continiue recieving money.Now you can tell the would be employers you are a thief so they dont employ you but as long as you went you can continue to recieve benifits. Now the question is to be honest who are most Wrong the people who come here to screw the system or the Goverment for making it that easy to do just that Edit: Anyway not going to get into a flame war with anyone over this . You never change my views and I wont change yours. Politics and Religion two things you can never win an arguement over lol (but better not start on religion )

Do you also see Dead people labrat ??

Really didnt the first time: USA and the West supported him with Arms during the iran/iraq war If he hadnt attacked Kuwait he would still be in power now persecuting his own people and the west would have turned a blind eye.

lol mug im 6"3 blonde hair,blue eyes so yep more than likely viking blood But talking about history is a mute point since discounting Native Americans the whole population have migrant ancestors from one country or another My point was : I do not disagree with other ethnic groups wanting to better themselves by coming to a differant country if they are going to support themselves/family through honest work .Wether that country be England.Germany,France or America (whos by the way treatment of Mexican immigrants is way worse than anything done in Europe). What i do disagree with is getting the Dregs.the criminals,the spongers of differant countrys because our Goverment is a soft touch and our borders are wide open . Seriously if MR Immigrant wants to bring his wife and children to England and WORK to support them then thats all well and good but not living here you wouldnt understand or see that the majority are Guys late teens to early twentys who just want to better themself off our state system and not through work. Im sure if you had 10,000 immigrants turn up in your town and not work you would change your tune.Its easy to look at the world through rose tinted glasses but the worlds not that simple. Stats taken from BBC News About 600,000 people have come to work in the UK from eight nations which joined the European Union in 2004, says Home Office minister Tony McNulty. New figures show that 447,000 people from Poland and the seven other new EU states have applied to work in the UK. But Mr McNulty said the figure would be nearer 600,000 if self-employed workers - such as builders - were included. And they will increase debate about whether the right to work should be limited when Bulgaria and Romania join the EU. The figures show those 427,000 migrant workers who successfully registered to work brought with them 36,000 dependents - spouses and children. Some 27,000 child benefit applications were approved. The government predicted there would be 15,000 people a year from the new EU member countries moving to the UK for work. But between May 2004 and June 2006 the government approved just over 427,095 work applications. More than half of those - 264,560 - are from Poland. The other migrants on the worker registration scheme are from the Czech Republic, Estonia, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Slovakia and Slovenia. Mark Boleat, from the Association of Labour Providers, suggested another 100,000, workers or possibly a lot more, had arrived without registering Registered to work = You have to sign on at a local job centre saying you are willing to work before you can claim any social security money. saying you are willing to and actually working are two differnt things Child support = Tax payers money given weekly to any child under the age of 16 or over 16 if still in full time education People seem to forget when they stand on there PC soapbox preaching world peace that Britain is just an island and hasnt got unlimited land or resources Total Population of Britain : 50,690,000 Total Population of New York State : 19,200,000 Bit of a differance between the sizes of our countrys Mug maybe why immigrants are noticed more here

I can keep secrets, but if somebody tells me they bagjump or scam, ima gona post it here, if someone were to tell me they are cheating on their spouse, thats a secret I'm not gona share. Unless there spouse is also a bagjumper then heaven help them lmao bumping uglies

The way I understand it is that the Virtual essence doesnt really exist its just an ingame/inv icon to represent what has been stored to memory . So they should be Stackable but limited in the number you can carry not by EMU but lets say by Magic level halved rounded down Ie: low level mage of 9 magic can store 4 Essences high level mage of 60 magic can store 30 Ess. This in my opinion makes it more realistic as a higher level mage has trained his intellect more than a low one.Governing them down by making them non-stackable means in theory our level 9 mage can carry as many as our level 60 which doesnt really fit with the idea I think you are aiming at. Think its a must that a min Nexus is required to use them ,wether thats 4,5 or 6 . Edit: Just on a personal note I love the way the game is classless ,one day I can be a fighter the nxt I can be making fur hats but any idea that gives the player and unforced option to specialize in any given field should they so wish gets the thumbs up from me

dont know might be a day of No eating apart from rice No manu apart from china No crafting unless its fireworks and the Dragon walks about with ppls legs sticking out the bottom

so basically in laymans terms your are suggesting an idea like that used in roleplaying games like AD&D where the spells are somehow memerised before leaving on adventure

yes rasere well done and i had been informed i left the name on the pic grozni was so nice to point out my newb status lol