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[Nitrix]

To Ent:

3) You didn't hear about the US bunker that was attacked by Saddam? They were waiting for Saddam to give up peacefully and then he attacked it. It was before the war started. After Saddam did so that the US declared war. It wasn't an official speech, but beforehand Bush announced that the US would declare war if fired upon, which was what happened.

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I don't see how you could call Isreal a terrorist state, or the US for that matter. Isreal has a lot of civil conflicts too. I don't like it when people who actually live here, in peace, not having to dodge bullets and fear for your life every second to denounce the name of their country. Why is it that you hate the US so much that you still live here? I know you said it was mainly the government, but you have to look at the people too. So many people come here because it is safe and free. It's people who abuse it that ruin it. It's bullshit of you, Killerlamb, to say the US will start WW3. The US has kept peace for years and has helped many other countries to stop and face down druglords and terrorists. Millions will also be saved- the innocent mainly. Fuck the Goths, the only reason life has death and suffering is becuase people like you make it that way. You always manipulate others, you denounce whatever you don't like however good it may be, and you never help the situation, you only feed it to worse effects by whatever words or actions you take.

[Izzy]

Heres the end,

 

US had no right to fight against Iraq. Thats that, and my explanation.

 

The Army was founded for the ethical value of defence. Not for defence of country but defending of lives. It was meant as a form of retaliation, like for example; if you kill him then I'll kill 9 of you.

 

Fact is some one attacked a building and did a damn fine job at it. But this is the truth, unless the president had well presentable evidence to point the finger that is the only case we had the ethical right to go to war.

 

I dont care what saddam was doing in his country, he could be commiting mass genocide, untill a cry came out for help from that country from the masses, we had no right to cross that border.

 

Once we crossed it Saddam had every right to use as many chemical and biological weapons he wanted to because he would be defending his country.

 

But doesn't the fact he didnt use them alarm you one bit? I mean its clear as day the reasons for entering the country was invalid by the fact that now its a US controlled country and we cant find 1 bomb.

 

But wait lets all forget about that for a second, elections coming up and bush managed to find saddam right in the nick of time to gain some popularity points. =D. I guess the fact that family members that hated Saddam who were pointing the finger at where he was for months finally got their own translator so that US soldiers could find him. =D.

 

 

But wtf, we can find Saddam in a coffin? But we cant find Binladen in a cave? I mean yea sure Afgan isn't under US control but damn it! Saddam was in a 6 by 8 room. I'm sure they could send some covert team in there, I mean why the hell do they train these ops guys if they arent doing anything, What about that famus body heat crap the air planes and sats have been fixed with to find people under ground.

 

But heres the real kicker, The mass people of the US who wanted this war wanted it cause they felt the Terrorists attacked the trade towers to distroy the economy of america. Wow we could of just left that to bush, I mean as soon as he steped into office the national dept went up and the rich peoples annual tax went down. Turns out the more money u make the less you pay in taxes.

 

Bush put america in the shit hole, over what? Because he cant F***n count to 100. The man has his secratery of state handling the budget and his secretary of defence handling diplomatic situations in North Korea.

 

Let's all give a big round of applause to the hopefull closing of the bush era, the final president under the sir name of BUSH.

[Nitrix]

That's shit Izzy, if you got it strait you would know what the hell I am trying to get across. You don't give a fuck if a thousand people die, just as long as one of them isn't close to you. I am sick of people like you, you don't give a fuck until something happens to you or someone you know. And Covert Ops teams have a tough time as it is, you don't know crap about what they do everyday or how hard they try risking their lives in secret for their country and not recieve a medal or ceremony for their efforts. It's a buncha of bullshit to say that the economy dropped right as soon as Bush came into presidency. All that was cause previously by Clinton, and although he made some good efforts he did add debt. Then Bush has to deal with it while fighting Saddam. If you lived in California then you would know. Everyone blames Arnold for the bad economy, for the debt. Guess who does that shit? Democrats like Gray Davis who don't know crap about the people involved. They think they are doing something right, but the only ones they help out is their friends and themselves. It's people like Bush and Arnold who are direct with the people instead of doing stupid programs and dumb reforms that don't do anything but drain the budget. Bush is a businessman, he knows what he's doing and he knows what must be done. Arnold may be new to politics, but he communes with the public and listens to what they need and say. To anyone who thinks like you Izzy, well I feel that the world is going to end because of those people.

 

Retaliation, Izzy, is just another form of waiting til shit happens to the innocent until you decide to take a step and do something about it.

[Izzy]

I dont give a shit if thousands of people die period, I dont give a shit if I die, thats just the way I am, you can't judge me ya moron. Dont even begin to think you can comprehend comprehending me. This was a topic of the US in relation to the world affairs, and the situation it is in with a select of 3 countries. THATS ALL IT WAS. If you wanna get personal about it then take a bat name it izzy and shove it up your ass.

 

If I die tommorow disintergrated or not it doesnt matter. I have no restraints to this world, and I have less love for the people in it. After you die I figure its just dead, no life nothing, just black unknowingness.

 

If the bush torchured me and hundreds of others today, Id wish for him to stop... NO ! Know why! cause id die trying to stop him! And thats just the way I am. No man can put me in his service unless I'm getting paid, no man can bend me to his will because guess what, I'm the type of person whod put a knife to my throat and slit for no reason.

 

The only things I live to see is probably another day of being able to increase my span on the world.

 

SO STFU Unless you got real issues that are ethically, rationally, and physically sound.

 

Everything you stated is sadly just like everyone else, and your basically the same outfit, you cant claim u know what I think about this topic cause clearly I dont give a fuck, as a matter of fact after this I'm gonna give a fuckless. Ya just managed to tip my anti moron bar, and if anything this post will probably be deleted before you read it. I just hope its not.

 

Next time dont even think of judging me stay clear of devaluing my character, it wont get you any where if I dont have anything to lose.

[Izzy]

Ok on the lighter note, now we all know a seperationist republican plays EL.

 

Democrats and republicans, I'm not either one of them, I dont support anything, know what? If I saw you in real life, if you even knew me or saw me walking the street in real life, fact is if you said shit to me, some one would of carved you nicely.

 

Dont ever judge me.

 

BTW I took time to read your post this time too, Your still off from me, I told you, you cant judge me.

 

As a matter of fact, dont mention my tag any more alright. Please your just a waste of time, like 60% of the other morons that populate the US.

[Izzy]

You want an example of the type of person I am?

 

Ok I'm the guy who goes to get layed on weekends and sometimes comes back empty handed, I'm that head u see chilling with like 4 other peeps and we seem close.

 

I'm the guy who will keep quite until you say somethin to him, I'm the one who goes home and if you ask him what hes gonna do; will tell you exactly what it is in 5 words or less.

 

I'm the one who if you start shit with will come back the next day with a 22 depending on how much more I'm pmsin from the fact I didnt get layed yesterday.

 

Thats exactly who I am.

 

But dont get me wrong, If I killed some one then Id be in jail right now right, I mean I didnt really kill any one.

 

Know why? Cause people on my block got respect for everyone else, none of us might care if some one else dies the next day, but we know he probably died for a good reason.

[Nitrix]

Like I said earlier Izzy, you don't give a fuck about anyone else. You speak as if you're a gun toting dumbass who has some anger problems. (You probably are.) It's dumbasses like you who go, "You start shit with me I'm gonna kill you." Damn that's the dumbest line I have ever heard in my life. Start "shit". Wtf, I been in that situation before. I was just talking to my friends and some dumbass older student thought I was insulting him, hell I wasn't even talking about anyone I was talking about computers! He said "What the hell you say, don't start saying shit bout me." It's too fucking stupid to describe in words, whatever he was thinking. And that's the problem with people like that, they always think someone is talking about them, or someone is doing something behind their back. Why the fuck should you even care? Evidently you don't care about any innocent who die in war, so why the hell would you bash on the person down the street that happens to mention your name? You are the parasite who lives off the host. You live in the US, but wouldn't give a cent for it no matter how the troubled times they fare. If you're deciding to call me a moron, then you're a real blind piece of crap. I have a few similarties to you: I have close friends, I don't care to speak unless spoken to, I'd answer in short terms. But something that sets me apart from you is I actually think about others and think about "the big picture" or whatever you want to call it. If you'd like to live in your little world where you like to think like that then fine. Do so, you'll probably die by it. If you don't, then good. Just don't say "shit" about me or anyone else outside it, I hope you'd understand it in those terms.

[Tumaros]

I can't stand Bush for all the reasons listed in the post above, mostly by Entropy and Izzy.

 

...and I'm considering moving this to the flames forum o.O

[jojomama68]

i agree... i'm too tired to read all the earlir messages.. but i just wanna say bush is a shoe-in after his dad... what a gay democracy

[Izzy]

ya, for some reason people take crap up the ass about politics, it would be allot better if this was moved to the flames sections so I didnt have to see it =D.

 

OH btw, dude, I was a little tired the night I wrote that so a primal erge came out of me to tell you the truth, I'm sorry, but I dont like dealing with antagonizers and oh ya, get a life. If your too busy being concerned about other peoples lives its clear your lacking one cause if you did have one you'd be worrying about it.

 

 

Unless for some reason your life is perfect, then yay cheers to ya, I wish ya nothing but the best, call me what you may but remember this is online. =D

 

You can say whatever you want to online, but fact is one of us would be dead if you said half that crap to me in real life, and like I said, I dont give a crap about myself, I do however give a crap about what I do.

 

Because what I do affects the future, in whatever little way I can make it possible. Thats all their is to it.

 

Your soo keen on the indivisuals rights in the world, but the indivisual has hardly any rights in the US.

 

I dont know maybe the freedom has gotten to me, maybe I was born eating off the silver spoon ya know, but fact is thats what makes me me.

 

I am this way as a result of the crap Ive seen in mylife. And you are that way because of what you have seen in yours. Either way remember this, you started your rude remarks on me showing just how much respect you have for indivisual rights, with all those text slander about me its a wonder why your not going about commiting mass homicide.

 

Your words are about the same as Saddams guns. And you should really focus more time on understanding and perfecting yourself before judging others around you, because just like to me all the people online with the exception of a few, are nothing but indistuingishable faces in a see of faces you no matter how hard you try not to be are the exact same, and I expect the same from you.

 

To you I should be no body, my opinion should never have led to you getting so pissed. Oh well sometimes people get emotional, but atleast mine I knew was a weakness I needed to fix. I was never angry over your opinion and Id like you to note that, I was angry over the fact you tried to judge, which by the way again your wrong.

 

Like I said, you can never understand someone unless you are that someone who understands themself.

[Izzy]

Ok just finished reading your post again =D.

 

Big Picture huh?

 

Lol think outside the box.

 

Ok how about this, I look at the world around me but I see allot of things I dont like, in this world innocense is not even real, no one is innocent no one at all.

 

Those same guys we helped out in Iraq in the near future could need nuclear missiles to handle tensions with o say some other middle eastern country who believe in the same god and that their land belongs to us because its holy land.

 

Did you even know the longest war ever is the crusades?

 

The crusades is still going on right now, and we watched it over and over and over here in NY as the trade center fell.

 

The war for christians, catholics, ..... the list goes on but it still falls under 1 thing, the book. Or so I like to reffer to it, this war has been going on in world war 1 as england divided the middle east to weaken the bonds in religion they had....

 

Look I hate explaining things to people, I hate even more to be judged by people, I hate even more than that to have to explain then be judged. So I'll end this here, sorry but if you decide to respond no matter what it is fact is I will not read this.

 

Oh by the way, I am a leech =D, I leech off your country to make a living,

 

You care so much about the innocent yet you dont care for your own people, I said I dont care if people die, but I never said I dont care about people.

 

The only thing that ticked me off about saddam was that he torcherd them, but still unless they asked for help from the US their shouldnt have been any involvement by the US.

 

The US was in my eyes the bad guy, we went in their and killed a countries leader, in a situations 90% of this country didnt understand, everyone thought conspiracy! ITS ALL FOR OIL, they didnt know oil was just a side product of victory.

 

US has billions of gallons of oil stored up, enough to last us another 6 generations if the worlds resources run out.

 

 

Like I said, I dont fight for country, I fight for the lives of those who are in the country I enlisted to protect.

 

My role as a proud member of the US army is not to murder the innocent or to overrule any dictator, or to force upon others a form of dictatorship, It is to serve an protect the men, women, and children in the country I swore my life to.

 

Saddam won the election to become ruler of Iraq, he got 99% of the vote.

 

How does some one get 99% of the vote?

[Tumaros]

Well, I can help you understand that, Izzy. If you had 100 people vote, and 99 of them voted for Saddam (the other one voted for someone else) then Saddam wins with 99% of the vote. Easy enough

 

And you spelled individuals wrong...every time...

 

but pleeeeaaaase don't flip out on me...it gets annoying after a while. :|

[Nitrix]

You should know Saddam forces people to vote for him. Those crazy enough to vote no are usually wiped from records the next morning. The war going on now has nothing to do with religion and nothing to relate to the crusades. This is a war against terrorism, and the injustic rule of a Dictator. I never said I don't care for my own people. If you kill, vandalize, harm, and otherwise hurt innocent people in anyway you're no my "people". We didn't kill Saddam, yet. I didn't mean for the outburst to you (I was kinda riled after reading the flames section, maybe I should read this one first...). The reason I was going on about "you" and referring like that, was not because it was you getting me pissed. I look at a single person and I see a group of people, sometimes. You repreent that group of people. Could be your country, your race, your culture, or just family. I know it's very wrong to do so, but unless you are very mellow and down-to-earth everyone will do so usually in the back of their mind. Such as if you look at an asian person, you might say they should be smart or short or something. No offense to anyone. But it has been done a lot before. When I look at people who actually support Saddam, I think "I don't like them, they support Saddam, Saddam is bad so they must be bad." It's not exactly like that, but it's very hard to describe. I don't listen to that always, but it's there. Innocence can mean a lot of things, what I was trying to say was that people who did not do anything to destroy their country in a drastic measure. In Iraq they have suicide bombers, that's is obviously ruining their country. And I still don't know why people support Saddam and say he should be left alone. Even before the war they did that. I'm just going to stop ranting about this subject now. I'm going to give people the wrong idea on what I think and how I judge people. I'm also sure that you have judged people like I have before, without really knowing it. Everyone has. I don't mean to offend you anymore.

 

Btw: What brought up the oil subject? It's true, but I just wanna know what brought it up.