Active Hyperbag "Treasure Hunts" in General Chat Posted September 13, 2007 · Report reply Let's turn the words other way around:...And i've grown tired of you trying to justify HBjumping with your own opinion and the game rules.I've grown tired of you trying to create more and more 'community rules' to justify your claming that this or that is against it.But he's right, though, anyone talking about game rules in the outlaws forum doesn't get it (unless it's something like "That's actually against the rules, you should post in abuse"). And anyone who has to resort to irrelevancies to try to win the argument has lost, because they don't have a valid point.Considering there is not even 200 votes cast in the poll claming majority has spoken is a huge abuse. Even now, there's 350 playes online. There's around 90 votes claiming that taking HB is an outlaw act... What kind of majority it is? Barely 250% of players being online right now. Considering there's over 800 players at time, your majority is around 10-15%. Wow!First off, for raw numbers, you should certainly know by now that you won't get a huge number of votes in forum polls (unless, perhaps, it's posted ingame a few times on #Message). The opinions on the forums are probably slanted more towards the longer term or social players, but not that much that it's not representational.As for the ratio? Well, it has been made clear a lot of people think that it's not the same because the bags should be taken for the same reasons as normal bags. Given the ratio of comments using this argument vs real arguments, you can move more than half of the no votes to yes (because they're saying that bags should be taken, the same way people say death bags should be taken, which implies that the different types of bags are treated the same, which is actually a yes vote). Even allowing for the people posting opinions to not be overly representational, and allowing that forum postings/votes have a tendency to be skewed to the more community minded players, you still end up with a clear majority to the point that "A bag is a bag" (whether you think bags are free to take or not). Moreover, I would say that the poll is constructed in a wrong way. There is not option: I don't have my own opinion on this topic. It makes the poll even less trustworthy.An option like that is important when you have multiple polls at once, so people can vote for only some. When there's only one choice, what do you miss out on by not counting the abstains? Less idea of how many people have read here, perhaps, but it's active enough (and in an active forum) that people who read the forums should have seen it.So please, do not try to force me to follow rules you creatively make up at time you need. It smells too much like politics. Don't need it, really.Force? Hmm, who's forcing you to follow community rules? That's right, no-one.And politics? Well, of course. Pretty much any social interaction will have some level of politics. When we're talking about what's expected/accepted social behaviour, how can you expect to not have politics come into play?