Caliphear

The brod is high on the list of wh ppl say they dont pk coming behind higher levels attacking lower levels. This thread wasnt asking why ppl dont pk. It was asking smll changes we can make to improve it. The different char type / skills for pk purpose have been broken down in seperate threads. Getting rid of the brod is on the fighter thread. Other reasons for ppl not pking is a different matter, and tbh a bigger problem. As wizzy said, small changes is better to work on to try and fix whats not working. The bigger issues we can tackle later.

MI can be removed by wards so i think a spell should be added with a chance to do the same. I am the first person to admit i make the mistake of letting MI fall but more seasoned pk'ers hardly ever make that mistake. This renders mages virtualy useless in a fight unless they are high a/d.Even then their builds being high in reasoning lower in coord etc, some can't melee as well as fighters. Definatly more aoe types of spells would make mages more useful. Damaging the other team or healing team members, maybe being able to cast a shield spell on a tank or even give a fighter a damage boost. Tone down the harm and Give them boosts with items like capes, wizard hat etc.

i personally like these ideas. giving someone who has an advanced level of engineering should be able to take less damage. as it stands now there is no counter measures other than what newhope posted in his thread. And even then its easy to die to anyone. even someone with no eng level at all. I think the user should have a chance to crit fail taking more damage themselves which the chance would decrease the higher the eng level. i also agree the damage dealt by a leveled engineer in general, is too low. iirc poison trops is +1 for 5 levels. Even killing mobs like the neno, it ould benefit engineers. Its not an easy skill to level, nor cheap. When you step into an area that has mines you dont always see them depending on the eng level of the player who layed them, but it says "we have entered the range of mine 1" or something. Maybe if someone lays a rc mine we get the notice so we can react?

Ok i give. I dont think the purpose of this was to completely rewrite el. Nerfing everything, changing everything isnt the answer and will never be taken serious by radu. On my final note: yes buster i say bring mercury back to kf too.

Let's keep to ideas instead of "get used to it" "deal with it" etc etc. The whole point of this is to get more pk going, more players being involved, and to improve the game. As for the cost- thats the market and a whole other ball of wax. One set of issues at a time.

very good idea raistlin. i like the idea of the individuals levels both being taken into consideration. the FA + bronze definatly should be stopped. so not being able to wear the arrow with a sword will take care of a big problem.Radu has even mentioned in the past he doesnt like ppl using that as it was not intended to work. Also let's keep the subject of the wizard hats and night visors getting some sort of stats. even if no complete specific class armors are accepted. The rangers already have counter measures (pd and now blue dragon armor)and using nv/camo cape makes them too easily killed imo. Summoning - i think the number of arctic chims should definatly be reduced and the ing adjusted. and yes wizzy maybe if we can get small changes we can go from there. Definatly need a way to keep the player lvl's even to be able to attack. need some ideas on how to do that. How hard is it to program it so you can only attack a player within your level? Is it doable with little issues? And how many levels would be fair?

Just because you might think an idea is stupid doesnt mean others do. Yes a lot of suggestions have been made and no, it hasnt changed. But nothing wrong with coming up with new ideas, revisiting old ideas,trying to fix or atleast better an aspect of the game. Statements like yours is why Radu said what he said, and why its not being fixed. Because ppl arent showing they care to actualy fix it. Instead every idea gets shot down, flamed, subject changed and the posts get burried being useless. ofc just my opinion. and drty lol. now you agree with wizzy in what he is trying to do on this thread to begin with? And just because you dont see wizzy in pk doesnt mean he doesnt know what he is talking about nor that he is scared. so lets continue the actual topic

Yes groomsh & wizzy. I thought the wizzard hat should have some stats as well as the night visor. mage robes also should give a little more armor imo. drty pk is very broken and i think you are underestimating the intelligence of el players. (not meaning the kindergarden mentality) Adding items or stats to existing items wont make ppl more confused imo.Most players have this game figured out to the point i even dont understand it. as for novas idea- maybe (now i dont know anything about programming) in this area you can "duel" players around your same level in which the fight stops once you hit a certain hp? that way no one dies, nothing drops, just a safe place to learn basics. Maybe even have a channel specificly for older players to answer questions on pk to help newer players. Ofc older players meaning ones who will help not give wrong info. EDIT: @evilmangopie you did not get Radu's statement. He didnt say he didnt want to improve it. Here is what he said. [radu @ 6]: until you show me that you CARE about PKing, I won't do jack sht about it [radu @ 6]: and no, OMFGign is not caring [radu @ 6]: you will have to actually PROVE me that you are willing to WORK towards it [radu @ 6]: and do what I said now to me thats saying if we come up wih legit idea's to increase players participating instead of being me me me and worry about how you benefit, he would consider it.

Nova has a good idea but you cant really go off of pki. My char Charisma has -10 pki (lol yeah i suck) and is 110's a/d. I even thought maybe if you couldnt attack a player who isnt in so many level's of you but that wouldnt work either if you decide to have a guild vs guild or team vs team fight. But this is going back to so many threads where we have said the same things over and over. There is alot of problems with pk but unfortunatly the easiest the solution of ppl not being douches cant be implemented. @drty - ppl's opinions or statements of why ppl dont pk have the best reason to post. Whats the sense of trying to improve anything if we cant get ppl to participate?

I dot think wizzy is saying this will fix all problems with pk. He is just saying maybe its time to try something else to help it. Gear now is mostly geared to fighters. not mages, summoners, rangers except for a few pieces as drty mentioned. and even then it doesnt help much. Not only would this help pk but a specific outfit for say rangers could also help in invances, invasions, instances etc. It's a start. And tbh i sit in kf for hours letting lower level players fight. A lot of ppl leave ppl alone if they say they want a 1v1 fight. Not everyone are jerks but yes there are many.

Well if you want to revive PK, you need new people start PKing. Oh and i don't say you should grind to be able to PK, quite the opposite - but atm it's not possible because of people with ego problems. Not true. It is very possible. People think its only the newbies who get owned in fact it's not.I go into kf on both my char's, fighter and ranger and i have ppl 20-40 lvls above me coming in attacking me. yes i die sometimes i escape but i keep going back. With a few tweaks likewizzy is saying, a more diversity of players should be able to participate. You have to learn how to pk, dis/tele, other counters. Tweaked armor, imo, would help this and make useless items more used.

Players quit and come back all the time.It goes in waves. Some of my friends who quit say remove the caps. I can see both ides of this. Fully capped players are bored. No one will go into kf if they are there so they cant even pk. But i have to agree with wizzy on the point i wouldnt want to go into kf with uber char's either with no caps. One idea i have to add is you should be able to summon while fighting. It would make summoners more than a "one trick pony" and most of the higher summoners do have some a/d which if its lower and somene attacks thm, it gives them more of a defense in kf.

I agree we need to do something to bring pk back. A lot of the ppl who were fighters left because nothing was done for pk. It gets old that the same ppl go into kf to clear out lower level players, same spells cast, same routines, same outcomes most of the time. And thats when you can be annoying enough to get someone to come into kf. Over the last few weeks we have had some short lived pk fun and even with no flames, excuses and bs but it would be nice to get more of the community involved. I agree with your ideas except the price of armors being like the blue dragon armor. It's expensive as it is for the armors and supplies to pk, making more way too expensive armor will just make it even more so a "rich farmer" activity. We want more new players participating not chase them away. As for harm.... mages are virtualy useless aslong as you keep MI up. So i have to disagree here.

It amazes me how many ways ppl can think of to make ranging even more of a money sink. between "it's op" to PD and now armor and mobs with PD to make the one dragon thats pinnable and not in a pk map even more expensive. Which getting a mob into a snare is NOT as easy as you think. As for a new bow.. give it up because that will make ranging even more "op". Why bother even having ranging? I dont farm the rd and tbh its hard to even get the rd spawn. ppl come in serp it and leave only to pop back in at the 8 min to serp it again. And a few ppl even come in trying to get rangers killed to either get lucky for a drop or just to take the spawn. No one really bothers the black or the ice because they break the fighters gear, the ice well ofc the pk map deters rangers. So why make the one dragon we can safely pin unpinnable? IMHO leave it alone.

With all due respect, Godfather was in a hurry to make it in time into the invance. After i went to restock there were 2 icies near the fort by him and i asked if he knew how to pin. He was inexperienced at ranging and i even called for rangers to help him once he managed to have one pinned but they were busy with bulas. I just figured it was his low range level doing little damage and missing a lot. He had tried to help and had asked me how ppl were leaving and coming back. He didnt know you could restock. by this time there were only 4 mobs left. If you don't pay attention you can easily grab the wrong arrows since they do look the same. The number of arrows i have no answer for but to me he just seemed to not know exactly how the invance worked. Hope this sheds a little light on the situation.

Yes Aislinn I know what a bot is and i know the rules pertaining to a bot, Many times with infernos character switching i had to clear off the bot nd my storage to make sure we didnt break the rules. But i , as everyone else, have stated my opinion. Never the less we all know this rule will never be revised or gotten rid of. But it was an interesting thread. nova, you're up

Allow it, dont allow it, doesnt make a difference but i do stand by trading with your own bot and other bots should be allowed with any of your characters. i pay for my bots therefore should be allowed to use them reguardless of which char i am on.

I suppose you guys do not realize you dont need an alt to do these things, and decisions pfft. you do not need to make decisions on where to put pick points in this game. All you need is a paypal account so a lot of the things you are saying people already do just by buying gold coin.Or bust your ass getting hydro. Allowing multi would enable those of us who don't buy gold coin to be able to compete. I am with wizzy in the point that i can't play 2 clients at one time unless i use 2 computers which just isnt an option for me in everyday situatiions. BUT i still think multi should be allowed with regulations. such as limit the number of alts, no using them as pk spies etc. Dont just let multi rule be erased but revise it a bit. And for those of you saying that fighters/pkers dont do the "grind", bullshit., plain and simple. Even the top a/d people grind everyday whether their accounts were leveled by them or bought. Seems most of these posts are just going into the same old fighter vs mixer arguments.

My main is a mixer/harvester/ranger and not noob levels , my alt is a fighter also not noob levels which yes before someone throws it out there was bought. So either way i am on both sides of the coin of when speaking of mixer/fighter arguments. One of the reasons for market issues is that no one wants to mix and those who do mix seem to buy the ing .. i hear all the time "my prices are so high because i have to pay so much for the ing" . Get off your arse and harvest your own stuff? My main harvests everything therefor my prices are very low. So tell me exactly how having your alt buy from your bot at the same price everyone else buys from it for is going to ruin the market? (other than aislinns concern of you knowing what your alt needs). I do have to agree with aislinn that IF something would change there would definatly still need to be rules on it. Nova I'm not suggesting taking anything away from the mixers as my main is a mixer .. someone still has to mix the stuff and work for those levels no? And the pkers who hate to harvest and mix.. i highly doubt they would make an alt to do what they hate. "Oh by all means lets make major changes to the game because a section of the player base doesn't like a part of it. Well I know a giant chunk of people who don't like getting killed in PK zones. Let's take all those out too." Not sure exactly how this fits into this discussion since we arent trying to remove mixing or harvesting. BUt curious for you to explain this. As for the gold selling and buying, like aislinn has said they cant police that since its outside of el you really cant prove anything. So this is always going to give players an advantage over those of us who dont do it. As korrode said look how many ppl get banned for multi which in some cases chase ppl away from el. Have you noticed how few players there are on el compared to even a year ago? No saying multi is the only reason for el's decline in players but it does have a hand in it. Revi if your alt is doing all the boring stuff then you are still doing all the boring stuff or its not your alt. My only issue about the multi rule is buying and selling to and from bots at fair market prices not using your non anti alt to buy from npc for you or make you gc from harving crap etc

I tried not to bring this up because its a constant argument in el but i have to . To be able to multi does change the economy but i think it would be for the better. My main is an all arounder and does mostly harvest and mix when not ranging. Yes if it was allowed i would make stuff just as i do now and stock my bot with w/e and buy it with my alt who is a fighter and yes is anti. The way the economy is in el it would be forcing prices back down where they should be. Because if you charge 15 for an srs you better believe i would buy it from bot before i would buy it from you., the price goes down to 14.. i will buy from you.Not everyone has an alt so there will always be ppl who will buy stuff. Fighters (most of them) HATE to harvest and mix ... permant customers. I think thats what ppl are worried about. Prices being what they should be and not inflated like they are. Hell I find someone not anti and buy from NPC most of what i need because it's cheaper than market. And like TV and korrode both said, gc buyers can have a great advantage so the idea that one can use alts to gain an unfair advantage.. more like it would even out the game. again. just my 3 cents.

Let me explain what i mean in detail. If this BOT A has HE for sale (just a random bot i searched through rraisa) at 8gc i go and purchase them with my alt. Two weeks or more down the road i search rraisa and this bot has a vial mold i need on my main. Hopefully i remember this is the bot i had traded with on my alt or it will be multi. keep in mind i DO have memory issues so this is one i worry about a lot. Or I trade this character selling srs he then sells the char or does a name change and comes to me to sell me srs on my alt.. idk thats the person i traded with on my main and could be seen as multi if you really wanted to push it. Or i could be unknowingly used as a middleman by someone else/ Yes this can be stretching it but this is what i mean. Ofc paying the market price not a discount price in these hypothetical situations and not my own bot, i can see your point there. Paying reg market price and selling at regular market price. And not between your alt and main. lol star i have been thinking about it so i just might, it just takes all my time on main and i barely even play my main char now just my alt.

The part that i think should ease up is the bot and trading issues, If you pay fair market prices through bots or other players i dont see it as a problem or benefiting your alt/main w/e. Im not saying to let your alts trade with your main. in all i just think maybe it should be looked at and as with rl change with the times. And i do know you guys do a lot for our benefit to make the game fair and also know there are ppl who try to get around rules, to cheat anyway they can, and yes even "But Aislinn said i could". You're never going to make everyone happy but my opinion is just that. an opinion.

The very first time i asked you about alts i got attitude and you had accused me of looking for a way around the rules when i was only asking a question to make sure i DIDN'T multi. Check your forum pms. And exactly when did i have a piss poor attitude about invances other than when i said the rules should be posted? But that has nothing to do with this issue. This is my opinion. I understand what the rule is trying to do but it seems to make problems and causes more confusion. It might suck but doesnt it also suck having to watch everyone , what they are doing, who they are trading, what bags are dropping and so on? Just think some aspects should be eased up on which would benefit mods too.

If you have more than one character, you get attitude basically accusing you of having one just to cheat.And dont ask any questions because then the accusations just get worse. There are a lot of issues that just dont make sense ie: cant use the use the same bot even if you pay fair market price buying and selling etc. And as with many rules, you get different answers. With characters changing hands so much (which is legal) it's impossible to know if you have traded that character before. So yes i think the rule needs revised.It's just mass confusion. With the player base el has, you still end up trading someone who you have traded with on your main. There arent thousands of players like other mmorpg's

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