marack

I've become accustom to the change and, like Purplekitty, I think the modest payback in gc/xps compensates for the more attention that needs to be paid while harving. My 2 cents

Take a min or 2 before it stop for me. I have experienced the same continuation of the eye candy on the WS map, however it didnt stop for me. I decided to use a telepad which finally stopped it. EDIT:typo

Can you approve the forum registration of Purplekitty. She is a real person and a guild member. Thank you

We used to have that, Newbie Island. After a while, newbie helpers didn't want to go there anymore, so we got rid of it. Did this work when helpers did go to help?? Yes but there were some drawbacks. Players got antsy to get to the "real game", and even though you all are enthusiastic now, so were the helpers then. Interest and enthusiasm wanes, newbies need help at inopportune times when helpers are busy, always reasons why the support vanishes. Personally I loved Newbie Island, I was sorry to see it go. I thought it was very helpful both as a newbie going through it, and seeing others go through it. One comment though, EL was a LOT smaller, there wasn't anywhere near as much to learn as there is now. But I would definitely support having it come back if Ent could be convinced. Edit: After a chat with pip about old Newbie Island, we did think that newbies having the option to go straight into the game OR choose Newbie Island would be a good idea. Also they should have the option to change their mind after they chose if their choice doesn't work out for them so well after all. As suggested, I think having the choice at Login or having the ability to teleport from IP and Newbie Island would be great solution...especially as it seems to have been successful in the past

We used to have that, Newbie Island. After a while, newbie helpers didn't want to go there anymore, so we got rid of it. Did this work when helpers did go to help??

I like to believe that EL will always be available for free...this is its strength imo and important for its future. I played for more than a year before I spent a single RL$ in game. Once Ashiana and I knew we were hooked we decided to support the game by spending RL$ in game. We often use items, bought from EL shop, as prezzies to guildies, friends and not for personal advantage. I would like to see more items available from the EL shop. I would also like more guild services; more guild map size selections and quantities available per guild. I would like to see a available a NPC available for guild maps. I think there are alot more things for guilds that can be dreamed up as a way to generate revenue.

I haven't dove into this discussion until I read Dilly's post (above), which clarifies it for me now. Like others in game, Ashiana and marack have been regular shoppers at Ye Old EL shop, we have purchased a guild map and Ashi is a p2p characte -- all in support of the game. There are advantages in making these purchases and so there should be...but it has been our way to help contribute to radu and roja and the future of the game. Whatever you decide if you buy it there should be advantages...sorry but that is why people will pay. Ashiana and I will buy memberships Radu! Just say when

Voted No. The proposed 'fix' is a poor one imho. My alt doesn't harv for GCs but this would impact my ALT in such way that I couldnt have both in game simultaneously. What criteria would define an ALT from a MAIN char?

Sounds like a good idea...its an elegant way to introduce greater variablility into the game. However, I'm thinking what the out come would be with this idea implemented...would this mean more, less or the same amount of iron ore coming into the game? Would people still buy higher rated armor or weapons or the lower rated ones? And when you get your 10pp for your 'oa' would you put them all on phy, coords or would you really distribute them across many attributes? Variability may 'water down' aspects of the game and I wonder if this would be a good thing?

Wow! Very nice Ive never had that kind of luck ever altho once i had made two EFEs in a row, one right after another. Gratz!!

So the problem isn't between the 'consumers and manuers', which your title implies. "the problem is the ing's are priced to high." which you've mentioned further on in your post. But the thread kinda focuses on the PRICE of great swords and the cost of the INGs? Is this discussion specifically about great sword INGs? Thnx EDIT: spelling

I'd like to suggest two marketing channels in game. One for BOTs and one for everyone else. The reason as I see it is two types of makets evolving in game, BOTs with fixed buy/sell prices and the other, people buying/selling/bartering in real time. Thanks for your consideration.

@Nola: This may work if we also had a #ignore_everyone_else. However, my point was not to turnoff one from the other. @bkc56: I did do some searching but found most people wanting to hide BOT broadcasts from everyone else which was accomplished by the #ignore_bot command. Another attempt was the 'color highlighting' broadcasts to somehow separate the two but visiable to everyone. This was not the point of may post and apologize if I didn't make that distinction at the start. @korrode: ;p @Usl: My thought for the two channels was to create a RL analogy of the 'Shopping Mall' and the 'Flea Market'. The Mall representated by BOTs and Flea markets for everyone else. This was more to my point. Thanks guys

Hi everyone! The Circle Guild has 14K Steel Bars for sale @ 50gc each! Will sell entire lot or in lots of 1K minimum. Get them while supplies last!! Please PM me in forum or in game if your interested. marack

Thanks everyone!! They are sold!!!

Actually your cost is not 0. You may have spent 0 gc but that is not the cost for making the hydro bar. What you have spent is not your cost - a common mistake for those not knowing economics. Here something called opportunity cost comes in - you basically have two options: - sell the ingredients - make the item. By not selling the ingredients - the hidden cost you have to make the item is the income you would have gotten by selling the ingredients. You can read more about the concept here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opportunity_cost Note that Opportunity cost is basically what this thread is about - people don't know about concept and thinks items they make cost nothing while items actually cost a lot so they sell items for a loss. You've got to be kidding...my laugh for the day

If I alch an EFE, my cost is basically 0gc. If I mine a binding stone out of the rock, my cost is basically 0gc. If I smelt a hydro bar from the ore I've mined and the s2es ive made, my cost is basically 0gc. If someone wants to buy any of my items above, I wonder how I should determine my price? Ask Trinity? Ask market channel? Ask a bot? Look up on EL shop? Probably all! If I buy an EFE from Larry then turnaround and sell it to Jean I've probably added 10%. If Jean sells that EFE to Peter, she'll add 10% and so on... In the end, that EFE makes its way to a mixer who will consume it, and in the process, pays the inflated price for something that basically costs nothing in the first place. However, the mixer needs to cover his costs and in turn make a profit. Its tough being a mixer unless you can make/collect your own INGs instead of buying them, no? I'm not sure how Holar's strike will change the above...Good Luck!

I went back to Idaloran and confirmed what Choris mentioned above...rabbits and dragon do appear after F8 and F9 keys but in the southwestern part of the map. I've also went through all maps using the F1 key. All maps load very fast however occasionally i need press the mouse right button to display the next map after i had pressed F1.

Ok...tried the above and success!!! Thanks EDIT: added pic

Ive had no success with any of the previous versions however with test 4...success!!! The mapviewer initialized and seems to be working on my laptop w/nvidia+Vista (see siggy). Initial observations; - All of the mouse functions are working. - the N key toggles night and day but with the results below. - f8 and f9 keys do not place anything on the map after repeated attempts. Ive place a few lines from my debug log below.

I ran the viewer as suggested above with this result (note using my laptop with nvidia in siggy); Runtime error... Debug log (last few lines) -

Runtime error again... Platform: LapTop w/nvida (see siggy below) Last few lines from debug file (I've noted a lot more data in this file that Test #2, but crashed with the same last line).

Runtime error... last few lines from debug below (using the HP Laptop w/nvidia see siggy)

I have a few rare-ish items in sto (stones/enriched essies). I save mine for; - When I can make higher level items. - Give away as gifts. - Help guildies make things. - Trade for other items. My intent is not to sit on them, waiting for prices to rise, then selling them as a method to acquire GCs. I have other ways to make GCs. Hope this helps...

Gratz to all the winners Sounds like great fun...sorry I missed it