PowerWarrior

ok im not going to drag this topic anylonger. SL7yz0r you owe me a apology when one of your members gets scammed by him. Lets just hope hes changed his ways, shall we?

I never said *CO* are scammers. I am saying there is one scammer in *CO* and that is you!.

lol, make a new topic everytime you can create something new :/. Why not make the topic on *CO* forums because nobody else cares about scammers like you.

Can you read?. Thats what i said at the end of my post.

Sl7 and 1st_Warrior i made that claim to show that this topic was not made by someone who cares about summoning so much that he wants the stones removed but by someone who is being killed by these stones. Sl7 i am not the only person but i shall continue to say its my involvement that makes you want them removed because you keep moaning about me killing you on forums. You provoked such posts from me the moment you made comments like these. For Example I will not go to your level and begin to bad mouth something jsut because somebody is using it to kill you. Your previous posts clearly show that you wanted summoning stones to stay at first. However i do understand the point people are making that they want summoning as a skill again and i do not mind if summon stones are removed. I am in a neutral position towards summoning stones and am only providing information that shows some background for why this topic was created.

As a summon stone user i think the removal of summoning stones would be a step backwards. I also think that one of the main reasons for why SL7yz0r is trying to get them removed is because of of me killing him. However after reviewing the poll i understand that most players want them removed so i do not really mind as long as it keeps the people happy. I already have something better than summon stones planned for my enemies . Happy Pking!.

I never said all *CO*. I said "You can easily see that the *CO* posting on this topic". Which is true because they have all had same opinion. Also you dont really care about summoning being a skill again and the main reason you dont want the stones is because you are getting attacked. I dont want to turn this thread into just flames so lets go back to topic now. k?

They all have changed there minds because i have killed them. Just because i kill you with stones does not mean that they should be removed. They cost a lot and there are many tactical ways you can stop these attacks. If you want to do it to me then fine. It wont affect me because i can use those methods. Even without diss rings. You can easily see that the *CO* posting on this topic are whiners because if you look back you will see that they liked summoning stones previously. For Example: "You can summon to protect yourself from his summons, so it fair...." <- SL7yz0r Dec 29

I am one of those kamikaze summoners and i consider it as a tactic. Many of us do not have the time to level 12 hours a day to just fight somebody who trains that long. We have other things to do in life. So we spend 1k or so to "try" and kill someone. That person has many choices and can protect themselves. For example diss rings. beam me teleport summon stones bear fighting book summon rats run dont go into pk with something you cant afford to lose Maybe there are more precautions?. Summoning problem has been sorted. However many *CO* are unhappy that i continue to use them even though they cost me a lot of gc.

You cant catch because they beam before you can even attack. Pasting beam me and pressing enter takes 2 seconds.

I agree. If you need to run then just use tele rings. #beam me is for when your stuck so it should be limited. Also many people are just pasting beam me and not typing so its so easy to run away from a fight.

It would be extremely easy to build a strong char if you are going to allow pvp xp. We want people to fight for monster spawns. We dont want them training with there alts in a arena. And we need so many arenas for around 20-30max "real" players online. We dont pvp xp.

No storages should be in non pk area. Will make people think about using more than one storage unlike how it is on main server. Trades can be done on IP or in pk area. I think maybe we should be able to teleport from IP to different parts of whitestone. So like 4 or so possible spots to teleport within ws. Would take a group effort to have pkers on them all.

Made Payment .

i agree Also quizzel i saw the other topic. You shouldnt post topics like this just because you got summon killed.

Since the attributes will be limited we might as well keep them.

wow you have 20% of pk server signed up there 0.o. They are all ex co members?

Thats just more programming work to allow pvp xp in arena. Also it reminds me of main server. I dont want anything to remind me of the days when i used to search for a fight lol.

Hey its fair because if they do it then you can do it. Dont think "If they summon then i will die !! we must remove summon stones" Think like this: "If they summon on me then i shall summon back and kill those darn ******s" So there might be summoning battles. They will be great because no pro high level can come kill your summoned monster. so giant vs giant fights ect....

Ah ok thats good. . maybe we should make a pact to kill outlaws within the pk server.

I think i shall create my guild. Any other guilds want alliance with me and my guild. No Alliance With *CO*. (You already took 10%+ of the pk servers players) + you have some scammers in your guild atm. cough benhe cough No Alliance With EWOL IF Markusweck is joining them. (Dont like him + he forgets rosto a lot and i will need items)

Supply is high because manufacturing goods only has two barriers to entry: Level Ingredients Instead of trying to increase these barriers why not try to deter people from manufacturing a certain good when the supply for it is high. This can be done by a VAT system. For example: The amount of bear stones being produced is too high. Set a VAT of x% on bear stones. When the supplier now sells his produce for GC he/she will lose x% of the gc gained. Bear stone manufacturers will then think about producing something else and the supply of bear stones will decrease or they will increase the price of there product by x%. The VAT system would only be used when supply for a product is too high. However i think its very unlikely to see this in EL because it would be impossible or extremely hard to program. Since people can do trades like: 1k HEs For 7kgc + 1 bone or 1k HEs + 1k LEs For 14kgc If the VAT was on HEs then it would be hard to take away the x%. Maybe you would tax the person on the right even if extra goods are introduced as long as gc and he are invovled in the trade.

"If it ain't broken, don't fix it." But it is broken..... The economy suffers from extremely high competitiveness and excess supply. Great news for the consumer because they are getting the best deals. Suppliers are the ones who are suffering. having competitiveness is a great thing in the real world but not as much in games. Suppliers just need to take advantage of things like "Price Fixing" that would be illegal in many countries in the real world. Making NMT cape breakable will increase demand because more things would break. Also as the amount of NMT increases the value of it is decreasing. So those people who have invested in the NMT will find that its not worth as much in the future. The brod is considered as the evil weapon and i do think its evil but hey it helps the economy greatly by destroying high priced armors. Many games making changes to there games so that the economy improves. Some games have taken drastic action by not allowing free trade and setting minimum prices that something can be sold at or taxing anybody who sells under a certain price.

Now that we have a new server i think the servers economy should stay top notch from the very beginning. To do this we need to balance supply and demand. Key things that id like to see in the pk server are: Remove NPC Merchants That Sell/Buy Player Makable Stuff (Free Trade/Player Set Prices) Increase Break Rates (Increase Demand) Remove C2 (Decrease Supply/Increase Demand) Make Trade Bots Cost More USD (Decrease Supply) Make NPCs Pay Slightly Less For Harvestables (Lower Inflation) The aim of these things is to keep prices high but NOT by inflating the amount of gc in the game but by increasing demand and decreasing supply. Many pkers will say that if the prices are high then they cannot buy as much equitment but was it not more fun in the days when you used to fight with steel chains and mirror capes in kf. We want it to be extremely hard to get the really good stuff. If you want to keep the pk server going we should just fight like the old days because if people start buying all the expensive stuff then i think many people will just not go out the cities because they are scared. Many manufacturers may say why should things be made harder for them. The reason for this is because it means less things are produced. You dont lose out though and your likely to gain from this because you will get much higher prices for your items and there is likely to be more buyers. You will set the prices not the npcs and there will be less bots hopfuly. Im interested in other peoples opinions and views. Maybe you have a idea on how to improve the economy. Let me no if you like my idea or if you totaly hate it.

The whole point of having a pk server is to be more tactical. If your being attacked then train with a friend so that you can team up if someone trys to kill you. And its not like theres only 1 spawn of every monster in the game. There are plenty on c1. The max amount of people who are going to be online at once is 100. Like i said: you dont give up but you look for solutions to solve the problem. Also pvping is always a option. If we have c2 then all people will do is train. It will become the train server. C2 is huge and i doubt anybody wants search c2 constantly just for a single fight.