Whisky

Even if some one was to get filthy rich from selling in-game stuff like gc...good for them, if some one buys a new computer from it, the computer seller makes money which he spends on others, etc. so it keeps money flowing only a good thing i believe. This would all be ok imo IF a fair % of that $ goes to the once hosting and making the game, but since hardly any one does this out of their owns a form of control must be applied to shake it out of them, i think thats difficult to achieve, allot harder then to just block all $/gc trades... What if all those millions of gc's was bought in the shop? how much gc extra would there be in-game by now?? just wondering.... Pro's: 1) If a form of control can be applied, there can be a x% $ for the EL Team from transactions. 2) No extra gc go's into the game. Con's: 1) If its uncontrolled allot of $ go 'missing' in the EL Bank. 2) If its to be controlled allot of time and energy has to be pointed at this. 3) Allot of extra gc goes into the game. (Not sure how much this is a problem) Cheers, Whisky EDIT: P.S.: I don't say all games or EL should have options so others can make $ on it, personaly i'd rather see all or most $ go to the EL Team so we can all benifit from it rather then a few, but if the EL Team could benifit from players 'buisnesses' its not a bad thing perse i think.

its not only about gc buying, there's the other side too, the once that want to sell gc so they have $$ to buy BOTs, BOT upgrades, and $ only items from the shop, i know many of these people me included, i would never sell gc for $$ if there was an other way to get the $$ for BOTs and other stuff that can only be paid for with $$ wich i dont have allot. Cheers, Whisky

If there is only the 5Kgc fee and no item loss at death then restriction are not needed imo, yes maybe you loose few Kgc to a cheater but there is a nice thread for those on the forum. Maybe the fee should be smaller or a choose between 1K, 5K, 10K per team so not to much money can be lost to cheaters and of course a good x% of that gold must go to the host of the games ea. back to the server. Implementing restrictions is a huge job and it would mean we would not have a Team PK "instance" for a long long time. I love the idea Cheers, Whisky

I agree, there is going to be $ trades where there is valuables, thats mostly time in MMORPG to get to the top level asap, or to have nice and expensive items, leveled characters, anything thats worth anything to any one will be a possible $ sale. Not a bad thing but a natural thing i believe, and if we can implement it into EL it would be better even because then we can keep the money in the game and its development and as suggested above, options for people to pay for stuff who don't have real money to spend become available, BOTs, rosto's etc. without having to look for gc buyers to have money to do those things. I don't think its implementation should be a big problem: 1) Pay real money -> get x amount gc, and buy in game what you like, this adds gc to the game and $$ to the EL bank 2) Pay for shop items with gc .... pay gc to an NPC -> get the items you wanned once your order has been processed. Many games have such options, I'm not sure how hard it would be to legally make this ok..... Cheers, Whisky

its not about if gc buying is good/bad for pk but is it good/bad for EL i believe..... not who does it or why does they do it either, only is it good/bad for EL ... i believe Cheers, Whisky

Yes it must go through! If the EL team has more $ to spend they can update the game and keep it alive for everyones enjoyment, paying and non paying members. So some sort of extra income must be generated and as long as WE don't donate a shit load of money to the EL Team we have to be seduced in other ways to handing over our money so they can keep building on EL and keep it running, rather then have to get a 'real' job so they can eat and live life. Any other working and reliable solutions to making money are always welcome ... rather then 'Don't do it its a bad idea', i believe this idea can be implemented in a harmless way for the existing game and wont hurt non gold members while making some extra income for the EL team to benefit us all. Cheers, Whisky

Good idea! But i did not vote for any of the options other then the colored name, the other options are to much imo, maybe something like Gold Members get a free horse would be ok because it would not have a real advantage, it only looks cool. Imo people only want more and more once you give them a little, soon the little is too little and we wants more, so a little extra xp is not enough a little bigger chances on enriched is so small people start wondereing if its actually there (like with the Artificer Perk) same with any other xp/gc related rewards. I think its better to have some none gc/xp related items that are only for gold members, like the horse or some special designers clothing a nice hat or other items that affect the looks of a character. Cheers, Whisky

Thats one way to look at it, there's plenty games that are builld on real money interactions, making it easy and safe for people to trade and pay with real money for in-game items. So i would not say its bad perse, and yes where there's real money people get weird idea's and start criminal activities thats the nature of people i guess, and it happens every where if it involves money Having a 2nd system for real money into EL looks like a huge programming job and will not likely be done, altho it can produce a good income for EL wich will benifit all players. I always liked it in EL that you can start a small buisness within the game for some real money, opening potential new options like the countless BOTs we have now and few other options, stopping this creativity by banning all 'off-side' trading could be cutting our own throuth. But maybe that time is over and we need to focus on keeping the game alive and kicking by generating a more reliable income, banning all gold sellers & buyers would probably be the best way, but then make it possible that you can 'sell' gc to the game for paid for options, ea. pay for BOT's and shop items that are now unavailable for gc because this is imo the main reason people 'need' to buy gold from gold sellers. EDIT: This will however probably cut down the $ income for EL and so we end up in a vicious circle where we have to ask ourselves do we need to protect people by making the game so that their safe from getting scammed, or spend their last $ on game items rather than food, or maybe get enslaved into making $$$ on EL EDIT 2: Sorry things keep popping up i think allot of money is made by teh EL team because of $$ buying/selling allot of BOTs and BOT upgrades are paid in this way i believe and we would have allot less of them if we couldn't buy/sell gc for real money, ea. allot less income for EL. Cheers, Whisky

Cool idea! maybe keep magic available tho so people can still restore, but the no moving is cool, no attacking, or using items such as rings or potions. Maybe no removal potion but a blessed item of 'reduced paralize' so it would only be 2-3 secs for you, like a helmet, cape, or maybe the spell 'magic protection' could do that. Greetz, Whisky

This covers some idea's mentionent and some of me own: Nature Skill - Stealth Skill (range that monsters can attack u from is decreased when u level up, so with very high level u would have to stand in front of um to get attacked) - Trap Skill (abilaty to set traps, to harm or temperarely freeze a target, also skill to detect and disarm traps) - Meditation Skill (ability to different meditations, learned from books, that restore health and mana faster, also to call animals closer, charm them to follow as summoned as mentioned...but only animals no monsters. * EDIT: Meditation cant be used while doing other skills...using a skill will break the meditative state.

Sounds good ttlantil, would requere 2 people with high magic level, and a good load of ess for the both to cast it. Still it can be abused, ofcource 'the one they are looking for' can turn it off, but say there's 5 prizes and i find him 1st, then use 'create portal' for a bunch of guildy's we'd have all the prizes. So maybe an area where the portal may not be created should be implemented?

Mother nature telported me underground to Cave Passage [39,30], thats in DP coal mine.

Hey excelent upgrade , when i was reading through my book list it says i have not read Titanium Smelting...but i have and i can still make the bars. its a very small thing i know...just though i'd mention it.

ok its been 5 days ago and some months, how's the bot doin??? is there a possible time that we get it ???

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