BruSu Report post Posted March 15, 2015 as there are more ond more players that reached level 179 OA would it be possible to reward them for their further success? Something like a pp for another 100 mio of xp? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZootNerper Report post Posted March 16, 2015 It would be nice if there was something beyond 179. +1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
saxum Report post Posted March 16, 2015 Maybe when you hit OA 179 your OA will start going down (mine is 178 currently) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pati2 Report post Posted March 18, 2015 I think cap is to high anyway, so im -1 WilliamDeWorde. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zilding Report post Posted March 18, 2015 AFAIK OA xp cap is a technical limitation, at 2^31 (max value of signed 32-bit int). While it'll suck when I get to 179 and OA xp gets 'wasted', I'm in the mid 150s and it's probably already about the same amount of work to raise 1.5Mgc to buy a pp than it is to get an OA lvl anyway... Perhaps some (repeatable) Redeemer quests for OA 179's (and ONLY for OA 179s) could be good? 25k high-level monster kills for a pp, or something like that? Z Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
roman_gruber Report post Posted March 18, 2015 This game already turned too much into a PAY TO WIN. Therefore -1 I even believe the oa cap of 179 is far too high. No idea what you guys did but I am still have not hit oa 179. Pickpoints can be bought anyway for cash so a higher overall only help those with deep pockets. A game which focus only on the money spenders will loose the casual gamer and than will loose the money spenders too. The android platform is the best example for this. We may focus on fixing the bugs and balancing the game more first. Ty Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vinoveritas Report post Posted March 18, 2015 First of all, did not know that there was a WINNING in this game. Second getting extra XP if you reached a cap makes it less pay per win As most people train or mix their xp, compared with gc buyers nexus removals, as i am less then 10 oa away from max oa, it would be nice to see a change and if only, the signed 32bit int will be changed to an unsigned one Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
revi Report post Posted March 18, 2015 First of all, did not know that there was a WINNING in this game. Second getting extra XP if you reached a cap makes it less pay per win As most people train or mix their xp, compared with gc buyers nexus removals, as i am less then 10 oa away from max oa, it would be nice to see a change and if only, the signed 32bit int will be changed to an unsigned one While that may sound like an easy change, it isn't. Think of difference calculations, comparisons, external libraries, and I'm probably forgetting a few. Some of these could be circumvented, but not all, or not without a cost (in performance, or functionality). Also, such a change implies changes in data storage, and in the client (and please, make sure that both change at the same time...). And changing to 64-bit ints (signed or unsigned) would have at least some of the same problems (notably the client change), and adds a few protocol changes. Of course, it can be done, but it is not just a matter of changing the type of one variable. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
roman_gruber Report post Posted March 18, 2015 (edited) the oa 179 is hit by those with high ad. thats my theory. e.g. [09:20:17] [PM from mercator: [ cyberwulf is a Male Draegoni. ] [09:20:17] [PM from mercator: [ cyberwulf {FD} is not online. cyberwulf was last seen online 2 Years 350 Days 9 Hours 23 Minutes 27 Seconds ago] [09:20:17] [PM from mercator: [########## Attributes ##########] [09:20:17] [PM from mercator: [ Physique : 48 Coordination : 48] [09:20:17] [PM from mercator: [ Reasoning : 28 Will : 48] [09:20:17] [PM from mercator: [ Instinct : 4 Vitality : 8] [09:20:17] [PM from mercator: [########## Skills ##########] [09:20:17] [PM from mercator: [ Attack : 145 Defense : 146] [09:20:17] [PM from mercator: [ Harvest : 145 Alchemy : 119] [09:20:18] [PM from mercator: [ Magic : 100 Potion : 40] [09:20:18] [PM from mercator: [ Summoning : 53 Manufacture : 93] [09:20:18] [PM from mercator: [ Crafting : 77 Engineering : 110] [09:20:18] [PM from mercator: [ Tailoring : 21 Ranging : 53] [09:20:18] [PM from mercator: [ Overall : 171/172 : ] [09:20:18] [PM from mercator: [########## CrossAttributes ##########] [09:20:18] [PM from mercator: [ Might : 48 Matter : 48] [09:20:18] [PM from mercator: [ Toughness : 28 Charm : 6] [09:20:18] [PM from mercator: [ Reaction : 26 Perception : 16] [09:20:18] [PM from mercator: [ Rationality : 38 Dexterity : 38] [09:20:19] [PM from mercator: [########## Special Levels ##########] [09:20:19] [PM from mercator: [ Combat : 334.25 Instancelevel : 145.5] [09:20:19] [PM from mercator: [########## Biography ##########] [09:20:19] [PM from mercator: [ cyberwulf has not set up an Biography ] cyberwulf dates back to the pre haidir pass era and was kinda high level mix char. not capped.. another example of a high level mix char [09:18:01] [PM from mercator: [ burn is a Male Elf. ] [09:18:01] [PM from mercator: [ burn is online as of a few minutes ago ] [09:18:01] [PM from mercator: [########## Attributes ##########] [09:18:01] [PM from mercator: [ Physique : 48 Coordination : 48] [09:18:01] [PM from mercator: [ Reasoning : 40 Will : 20] [09:18:01] [PM from mercator: [ Instinct : 12 Vitality : 10] [09:18:01] [PM from mercator: [########## Skills ##########] [09:18:01] [PM from mercator: [ Attack : 144 Defense : 144] [09:18:01] [PM from mercator: [ Harvest : 124 Alchemy : 143] [09:18:02] [PM from mercator: [ Magic : 89 Potion : 115] [09:18:02] [PM from mercator: [ Summoning : 84 Manufacture : 100] [09:18:02] [PM from mercator: [ Crafting : 100 Engineering : 124] [09:18:02] [PM from mercator: [ Tailoring : 84 Ranging : 72] [09:18:02] [PM from mercator: [ Overall : 173/174 : ] [09:18:02] [PM from mercator: [########## CrossAttributes ##########] [09:18:02] [PM from mercator: [ Might : 48 Matter : 34] [09:18:02] [PM from mercator: [ Toughness : 29 Charm : 11] [09:18:02] [PM from mercator: [ Reaction : 30 Perception : 26] [09:18:02] [PM from mercator: [ Rationality : 30 Dexterity : 44] [09:18:03] [PM from mercator: [########## Special Levels ##########] [09:18:03] [PM from mercator: [ Combat : 336.0 Instancelevel : 144.0] [09:18:03] [PM from mercator: [########## Biography ##########] Also not on oa cap. same as myself, also high level mix char, also not on oa cap. to sum it up, those who are above certain ad, guess is around ad 160 + do some mixing are on the oa cap. e.g. karolus [09:30:50] [PM from mercator: [ karolus is a Male Human. ] [09:30:50] [PM from mercator: [ karolus PL is not online. karolus was last seen online 28 Minutes 22 Seconds ago] [09:30:50] [PM from mercator: [########## Attributes ##########] [09:30:50] [PM from mercator: [ Physique : 48 Coordination : 48] [09:30:51] [PM from mercator: [ Reasoning : 20 Will : 28] [09:30:51] [PM from mercator: [ Instinct : 48 Vitality : 48] [09:30:51] [PM from mercator: [########## Skills ##########] [09:30:51] [PM from mercator: [ Attack : 172 Defense : 172] [09:30:51] [PM from mercator: [ Harvest : 147 Alchemy : 120] [09:30:51] [PM from mercator: [ Magic : 101 Potion : 137] [09:30:51] [PM from mercator: [ Summoning : 80 Manufacture : 63] [09:30:51] [PM from mercator: [ Crafting : 57 Engineering : 75] [09:30:51] [PM from mercator: [ Tailoring : 36 Ranging : 59] [09:30:51] [PM from mercator: [ Overall : 179/179 : ] [09:30:52] [PM from mercator: [########## CrossAttributes ##########] [09:30:52] [PM from mercator: [ Might : 48 Matter : 38] [09:30:52] [PM from mercator: [ Toughness : 48 Charm : 48] [09:30:52] [PM from mercator: [ Reaction : 48 Perception : 34] [09:30:52] [PM from mercator: [ Rationality : 24 Dexterity : 34] [09:30:52] [PM from mercator: [########## Special Levels ##########] [09:30:52] [PM from mercator: [ Combat : 407.0 Instancelevel : 172.0] [09:30:52] [PM from mercator: [########## Biography ##########] [09:30:52] [PM from mercator: [ karolus has not set up an Biography ] or brusu [09:31:13] [PM from mercator: [ brusu is a Female Elf. ] [09:31:13] [PM from mercator: [ brusu RoS is online as of a few minutes ago ] [09:31:13] [PM from mercator: [########## Attributes ##########] [09:31:13] [PM from mercator: [ Physique : 48 Coordination : 48] [09:31:14] [PM from mercator: [ Reasoning : 36 Will : 20] [09:31:14] [PM from mercator: [ Instinct : 12 Vitality : 12] [09:31:14] [PM from mercator: [########## Skills ##########] [09:31:14] [PM from mercator: [ Attack : 155 Defense : 157] [09:31:14] [PM from mercator: [ Harvest : 137 Alchemy : 114] [09:31:14] [PM from mercator: [ Magic : 80 Potion : 125] [09:31:14] [PM from mercator: [ Summoning : 59 Manufacture : 100] [09:31:14] [PM from mercator: [ Crafting : 104 Engineering : 106] [09:31:14] [PM from mercator: [ Tailoring : 92 Ranging : 58] [09:31:14] [PM from mercator: [ Overall : 176/179 : ] [09:31:15] [PM from mercator: [########## CrossAttributes ##########] [09:31:15] [PM from mercator: [ Might : 48 Matter : 34] [09:31:15] [PM from mercator: [ Toughness : 30 Charm : 12] [09:31:15] [PM from mercator: [ Reaction : 30 Perception : 24] [09:31:15] [PM from mercator: [ Rationality : 28 Dexterity : 42] [09:31:15] [PM from mercator: [########## Special Levels ##########] [09:31:15] [PM from mercator: [ Combat : 353.0 Instancelevel : 156.0] [09:31:15] [PM from mercator: [########## Biography ##########] [09:31:15] [PM from mercator: [ brusu has not set up an Biography ] So when we want a balanced game we should not rise the overall cap at all because it only helps the fighters and makes some aspects of the game much worse as it is already. note: we already have an affordable way to get free pp / buyable pp ***** [09:34:17] l179-l172 = 597069680 **** So Cyberwulf would have needed 600 billion xp to hit the overrall cap in teh first place. which is kinda only achieveable with Haidir passes. 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BruSu Report post Posted March 18, 2015 ok I understand that there would be technical problems, but I do not get the point whom it will hurt when there are higher caps? What would it change? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vinoveritas Report post Posted March 18, 2015 So what in the stats makes Brusu not a mixer build? That she has a fairly high a/D rate, think about how long she is playing and check her other levels i call that high. Cyberwulf would have been also by now almost capped, if the lord would not have called him away from this world. As for burn, i am sure that he could manage the oa 179 without fighting just with mixing (the right product) withhin this year if he wants to (probably withhin 3 month). There is no doubt that this game preferes a/d i get a lot of xp with the dailys. Hardly train otherwise am almost at 150, started to play long after brusu, and consider myself a mixer. with the hard goal to get all skills to 100 or abrove. Point is, that after OA 179 you do not get any pp for the hard work (and before so rare that it is more profitable to buy pp per nexus and hydro then to level for it) that having this would cause other problems. As to Revi, yes a type change on a variable does cause lots of troubles that one need to look after, and yes it also would effect client as server, But it could be done, and probably even pretty fast on the variable, that like the oa does not know negative signs. Alternatives would be a second counter for those who are at oa 179, which could be done server side only until the client catches up. or ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
roman_gruber Report post Posted March 18, 2015 @ vino... [18:29:14] l179-174 = 2063709307 I am curious on how he could do such xp in 3 months... lets be generous and assume a month has 30 days.. [18:30:05] 2063709307/90 = 22930103.41 so 22 billion xp in a day, wow This game level structure and daily quests correlate in something like an http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exponential_functionor something with an similar structure. Please note the higher Increase of the axis So those with higher AD get more Xp Which is also increased by 20 percent for atk or def god partly. Which is than added to the overrall. as we know which caps out. Just when you do not get the maths [18:23:06] l150 = 501 370 633 [18:23:12] l151 = 526 439 164 [18:23:17] l152 = 552 761 122 [18:23:21] l152 = 552 761 122 [18:23:28] l153 = 580 399 178 [18:34:51] l160 = 816 679 924 [18:34:55] l170 = 1 330 285 535 Afaik only Haidir / DAritha gives such an opportunity to reach such levels with ease. And when you still believe, that AD is not the root cause for it, sorry you missed the point. The game was never designed to cap out in the first place and higher caps means mobs gets easier and those need to be tweaked too because pickpoints means less risk to die to mobs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zilding Report post Posted March 18, 2015 Roman, check your math Z Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
revi Report post Posted March 18, 2015 Who cares about 3 orders of magnitude? That said, 22 million/day is still rather impressive, and only possible under certain conditions. (Oh, and, Roman, last time I looked, a month has 30 days...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zilding Report post Posted March 18, 2015 It's actually more like 5Mxp per day... L179-L174 is 400M or so, not 2B (L179-L0 == 2B). Still, while a 5Mxp day is doable with the right special days, 90 of them in a row is not, really. Z Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
revi Report post Posted March 18, 2015 OK, I couldn't be bothered to check all the data, after I saw the factor 1000... But indeed, while 5M/day is quite possible on the right days, as an average it's "a bit" too much; I think the maximum I've heard of (from a reliable source) is 22M in a day, and don't ask about the amount of gc involved... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Patriot Report post Posted March 19, 2015 (edited) Np, Lvl 170-179 is 90k white wizard hats in school on a normal day gogogo That being said, I wouldn't mind the chance for higher overalls, even if it meant some work for the game devs, might be a worthwhile change. Edited March 19, 2015 by Patriot Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vinoveritas Report post Posted March 19, 2015 just for the Math L179 = 2063709481 Total Xp for Level 1-179 L174 = 1616970380 Total XP for Level 1-174 2063709481-1616970380=446739101xp so about 447mxp(rounded) 446739101/90=4963767.79 as rounded to 5mxp a day With 1 white wizzard hat at 4kxp (base xp) thats 1240 white wizzard hats made a day outside of a school so say if you make it in school its 620 white wizzard hats made per day a white wizzard hat costs with food 675gc, calc in a 20% loss rate (overall) then its 810gc per made wizzardhat that makes it 502200gc spend a day for the xp. and here we are at the hardest part of all getting the gc for the endeavour. but while its a hard thing to do there are ways in el to gain that much gc in a day. But i have to admit, to manage that you better have some fighting skills, and friends that are willing to work with you hard. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Patriot Report post Posted March 19, 2015 just for the Math L179 = 2063709481 Total Xp for Level 1-179 L174 = 1616970380 Total XP for Level 1-174 2063709481-1616970380=446739101xp so about 447mxp(rounded) 446739101/90=4963767.79 as rounded to 5mxp a day With 1 white wizzard hat at 4kxp (base xp) thats 1240 white wizzard hats made a day outside of a school so say if you make it in school its 620 white wizzard hats made per day a white wizzard hat costs with food 675gc, calc in a 20% loss rate (overall) then its 810gc per made wizzardhat that makes it 502200gc spend a day for the xp. and here we are at the hardest part of all getting the gc for the endeavour. but while its a hard thing to do there are ways in el to gain that much gc in a day. But i have to admit, to manage that you better have some fighting skills, and friends that are willing to work with you hard. Didn't say it'd be cheap I said it was possible. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rabbitman Report post Posted March 19, 2015 This game already turned too much into a PAY TO WIN. Therefore -1 ... Pickpoints can be bought anyway for cash so a higher overall only help those with deep pockets. A game which focus only on the money spenders will loose the casual gamer and than will loose the money spenders too. The android platform is the best example for this. ... Ty This argument is flawed. Buying 1 pp from npc is 1.75mgc. White wizard hats are jusy about the best mixing xp you can imagine. 16Kxp for approx 800 gc yields 20 xp per gc. Thus, #Calc (L179-L178)/20 = 4.9 Mgc for 1 pp grinding oa. Why would gc buyers pay MORE to buy 1 pp via levelling oa? This idea allows for players in the long run to obtain more pp without gc or $$ which is the opposite of pay to win. Additionally, fighters who train and do dailies have almost always levelled faster than pure mixers regardless of gc buying or not. RM Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
saxum Report post Posted March 24, 2015 the oa 179 is hit by those with high ad. thats my theory. I am only in 150s and close to hitting OA 179. Not all who hit OA 179 will be fighters. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
