Sponsoring Instances

[forever]

The intention is this.

 

You all as mixers would benefit from the day stones dropped in instances. Instead of expecting us to spend loads in whatever, to pop off a stone for all the game to enjoy, rather give us a little supply to do them now and again, so that we cna get these stones and we can use them for everyone.

 

I'm honestly quite suprised no one is willing to help with this. I mean a little HE / SR wouldn't kill anyone to lose (just a little). I mean, people donate and donate and spend long extending lengths of time for everyone to get the ings for a stone every once in a blue moon. Albeit only a 50% chance, 50% chance every 4 days is a lot faster than a 2-3 week length of time wait (albeit great that people do it and get the day). It's a little cost for a much better end gain.

[Forgiven]

Howcome they don't help us by giving us stones them for armor? you guys say that we should give them stuff for instances to make money... but then shouldnt they help us by giving us stones and bars for armor? a lot of people cant even get to hydro since we all get pked... but we should support those (well some) that pk us?

Edited February 15, 2011 by Forgiven

[groomsh]

The intention is this.

 

You all as mixers would benefit from the day stones dropped in instances. Instead of expecting us to spend loads in whatever, to pop off a stone for all the game to enjoy, rather give us a little supply to do them now and again, so that we cna get these stones and we can use them for everyone.

 

I'm honestly quite suprised no one is willing to help with this. I mean a little HE / SR wouldn't kill anyone to lose (just a little). I mean, people donate and donate and spend long extending lengths of time for everyone to get the ings for a stone every once in a blue moon. Albeit only a 50% chance, 50% chance every 4 days is a lot faster than a 2-3 week length of time wait (albeit great that people do it and get the day). It's a little cost for a much better end gain.

Please stop acting like you're doing a favor for mixers

As Entropy already stated, WTF instances are quite profitable... That means you get all your supplies back + some (lot) extra loot - otherwise you wouldn't go into that instance.

So for you it's a win-win situation as you get the supplies and get the drops... You might or might not get a #day stone and of course it can be a stone that does not help mixers...

[dipi]

Oh! i have a vision of the future... I see some bots trying to sell #day stones because the greed doesn't allow their owners to use it...

[Immortelle]

@Forever : as far as i am concerned most of the special nice days are during US time and not Europe time. I got now and then good days as Joule day. I donated as well some stuff for 3th Day Joule and asked, yes i did and you can see my post, to have it during Europe time while most of the players feel they dont get those days.

 

At the end as Groomsh wrote,you get plenty of stuff from WTF instances and live nicely , while the little ones as me, and i am not saying i am a mixer cos i aint one, have to survive the pk maps and anything else to be able to play.

 

At the end.. i do my part and you do your part.

 

@dipi LOL please let me know which one.. i am off to buy the stone

Edited February 15, 2011 by Immortelle

[Nova]

The intention is this.

 

You all as mixers would benefit from the day stones dropped in instances. Instead of expecting us to spend loads in whatever, to pop off a stone for all the game to enjoy, rather give us a little supply to do them now and again, so that we cna get these stones and we can use them for everyone.

 

I'm honestly quite suprised no one is willing to help with this. I mean a little HE / SR wouldn't kill anyone to lose (just a little). I mean, people donate and donate and spend long extending lengths of time for everyone to get the ings for a stone every once in a blue moon. Albeit only a 50% chance, 50% chance every 4 days is a lot faster than a 2-3 week length of time wait (albeit great that people do it and get the day). It's a little cost for a much better end gain.

 

Mixers would benefit from 1 stone dropped so it is more of a 25% chance every 4 days, and thats if it is indeed the 2 existing stones that are dropped and not something totally new and different. Who said they expected the fighters to just use the stones? Just put them on your bots ans try to sell for a price you think is fair. If someone else thinks its fair they will buy it.

 

I'm honestly quite surprised that help is expected with this. I don't expect anyone else to fund my game, my fun. People donate to the stones now because it gives a sense of community niceness to work together like that, it also makes a fun guild project. It seems no one is in a hurry for #day after #day after #day.

 

Again, it would be great to see something added to game where mixers and fighters have to work together, but this isn't it. There are to many rifts and pitfalls here.

Edited February 15, 2011 by Nova

[Quesar]

I am an all arounder and frequent instancer. I don't expect or want anyone to sponsor me. I know that I can make a profit on my instances.

 

Doing the 100-120, it can be tough to make a profit if you need to use a token to get in since the share per person barely covers it usually, but unless I die I don't normally lose gc on it. There have been 1 or 2 times though where the drops were so bad I lost gc with the cost of the token included. Only going once a week instead of farming it makes me profit pretty much every time though.

 

On the WTF though, especially now without the ability to reduce time, your profit on it should always be pretty good. A stone to sell will only make it better. The biggest supply needed for that instance is PK arrows too, which are very expensive, not HE/SR. 1 person does most of the tanking (Violater)- they are the only one that uses a lot of HEs I think. As a WTF team member I will gladly donate him HE/SR since the team covers arrow cost already from the profit.

 

I think Raz's idea of a community fund to buy the stones from WTF makes the most sense. It lets the community work together for the stones in much the same way as current donations for them have gone.

 

Anybody have a WTF planned for Saturday?

 

Q

[korrode]

Hellfire can't scorch me.

[Kaddy]

I didn't vote yet, and I just got back from Valentine's holiday with gf. And I haven't gone the new WTF instance yet. But;

 

As a fighter and experienced instancer, I've been talking to Mufossa lately about the day stones before they were out (because radu told us there would be day stones as drops in our WTF channel.) and the best way to solve the issue is a fund made by mixers to collect gc and buy from one of our's bots. Mixers are already the ones selling stuff for our use, and instead of giving fighters resources, just collect gc and buy the stones. You can make groups (like mixers from EU time, or US time etc.) and collect some gc and buy the stones from us. This way would just make both of our and mixer's work easier, we can easily split the gc, you can easily collect the gc (instead of trying to split all the HE/SRs etc.).

 

My 2 liras;

-Kaddy

[Caliphear]

I dont think Lexi's idea is coming across to most of you nor her intentions. No one is saying you HAVE to donate. And the idea is to work together in the attempt to get the different day stones to benefit the COMMUNITY. She isnt saying give them free stuff every instance filling their stock.

 

The stone fund seems like a good idea in theory but the fighters will still be called greedy, and there is a lot of issues that would need addressed. You could use a bot for the sole purpose of holding the fund and the stones, but who would be the person to get the stone, to use the stone. Would be easy for a guild to organize but the entire community would be more difficult. There were already many issues over the person using the stone when the community donated. So a community vote for the person would be needed.

Edited February 15, 2011 by Caliphear

[forever]

I've read countless posts from mixers who say that they train to get OA's so they can get those PP's in order to have more emu and whatever to mix. Wouldn't a sun tzu help you a good bit? A joule would help you.. There's only 2 and they both are useful to everyone.

 

My point was just to explain what I thought her purpose was on the damn thing and all I see is more mixer's raging like usual.

[Miiks]

Still most probably they aren't stones that already exist. So can't say yet what they do.

[Lexi]

Some of the replies here makes me scared on what the world will be once it hits the fan... If people can't even work together in a game, how will it ever happen in real life? I know it's just a game, and this post is slightly off topic, but stuff like this is going on in the world as I type... people just are hurting themselves by not willing to work together.

 

But I really understand why people are against the idea too, I really do, it's just sad the way we've all become. I am sorry I made this post sound hurtful, I am just REALLY surprised in the poll results, heh 27/34 mixers/all rounders are against helping ANY fighter... I am sure at least half of you have a guildie or a friend who fights in an instance...???

 

I am not trying to bash anyone, I respect your vote, and opinion, I honestly do, I am just highly surprised is all.

 

On another note, I am making

1500 SR

4500 HE

60 eva pot

120 def pot

60 att pot

120 cord pot

300 matter ess

60 Diss rings

If anyone would like to help, please pm me, this should about support a whole instance

Edited February 15, 2011 by Lexi

[Nova]

Lex you have a very sweet heart. I hope you find your efforts worth the.....effort and that your sweetness isn't taken advantage of.

[Lexi]

Thank you for your kind words, Nova, it hit the spot and has warmed up my heart.

[Ateh]

firstly , a brave idea Lexi and quite all truistic , saying that I dont agree with it for these reasons :

 

1. Having seen a certain somebody complaining on channel 6 about how awful it is for fighters and thier GC only to simultaneously post on market channel selling ; full bd/ ice / sop / som / js/ os / blah blah blah made me sick , so no, why should I give anything to people who have over 1 million gc worth of items in thier storage?

 

2. If you are buying items to reduce your wait time to get into an instance ( because you want to farm it for GC , not do it for fun ) then thats your problem when you dont get a great GC return. Why should I fund this farming?

 

3. I do not believe I should be given free iron ore / coal and FE to be able to produce hydro bars for those armors needed so badly for high end fighting activitys, but im seriously considering starting my own thread asking anyone over 130 a/d for free s2e ings as I belive the replys would be of a simlar tone to mine.

 

4. Id rather donate items to koddy to buy a special day stone than give thousands of GC of essences and potions to someone who wants to farm an instance on the off chance they might get a day stone?

[Lexi]

Some good points you prove, Ateh a good reply you have. Thank you

[forever]

Some of the replies here makes me scared on what the world will be once it hits the fan... If people can't even work together in a game, how will it ever happen in real life? I know it's just a game, and this post is slightly off topic, but stuff like this is going on in the world as I type... people just are hurting themselves by not willing to work together.

 

But I really understand why people are against the idea too, I really do, it's just sad the way we've all become. I am sorry I made this post sound hurtful, I am just REALLY surprised in the poll results, heh 27/34 mixers/all rounders are against helping ANY fighter... I am sure at least half of you have a guildie or a friend who fights in an instance...???

 

I am not trying to bash anyone, I respect your vote, and opinion, I honestly do, I am just highly surprised is all.

 

On another note, I am making

1500 SR

4500 HE

60 eva pot

120 def pot

60 att pot

120 cord pot

300 matter ess

60 Diss rings

If anyone would like to help, please pm me, this should about support a whole instance

I was thinking like 100 SR this is a lot more than necessary to help tbh. That amount would probably cover us for 4-5..

Tone it down a bit, doing THAT much You will be taken advantage ove.

 

 

 

Also, Ateh, you've refering to mey storage sale you little prick, that is stuff that i've gotten by various means. Not just instancing. you are jumping to conclusion and have nothing to offer. Just go.

[Lexi]

Oh, buddy, my intention was to make enough for 6 peopel honestly. TO give to one guy I would trust to give to the rest of the guys he's instancing with.

[Caliphear]

firstly , a brave idea Lexi and quite all truistic , saying that I dont agree with it for these reasons :

 

1. Having seen a certain somebody complaining on channel 6 about how awful it is for fighters and thier GC only to simultaneously post on market channel selling ; full bd/ ice / sop / som / js/ os / blah blah blah made me sick , so no, why should I give anything to people who have over 1 million gc worth of items in thier storage?

 

2. If you are buying items to reduce your wait time to get into an instance ( because you want to farm it for GC , not do it for fun ) then thats your problem when you dont get a great GC return. Why should I fund this farming?

 

3. I do not believe I should be given free iron ore / coal and FE to be able to produce hydro bars for those armors needed so badly for high end fighting activitys, but im seriously considering starting my own thread asking anyone over 130 a/d for free s2e ings as I belive the replys would be of a simlar tone to mine.

 

 

4. Id rather donate items to koddy to buy a special day stone than give thousands of GC of essences and potions to someone who wants to farm an instance on the off chance they might get a day stone?

 

Again read before complaining kk? it was all in reference to getting the new #day stone drops from the instances which benefit everyone. All your doing is dragging the same bs into a thread worrying about how much gc a fighter makes. The fighters didnt ASK for free stuff. And all of your comments have nothing to do with this topic. Your just crying as usual.And i dont see the fighters crying about you making your gc. Play how you want to play and let others do the same. You want to donate to koddy.. be my guest thats your choice. Just as its my choice to donate to the fighters before i would ever donate anything to him again.

 

As far as inferno's storage goes.. i had given him some of the items he sold, he also does a HELL of a lot of mixing and does a few instances doesnt mean he farms them.Instancing isnt his only means of gc in this game. So try knowing facts before you post assumptions.

 

I think we are seeing who the real greedy ppl are.

 

Lexi i will help you make some stuff as soon as im done with smurfs order. I will contact you then.

Edited February 16, 2011 by Caliphear

[Lexi]

I noticed how much fighters need/want to buy things. Other than coal, sulfur, and flowers, it's all they can harvest because of the builds they do, yes they could "spare" pps to other areas... but mixing takes so many nexus... fighters couldn't be pr0...

 

One reason I am not a fighter is because of the costs in everything... fighters don't mix armors, nor mix the things for the armors, armors are expensive, and break...

 

This is why I am a mixer, I don't like spending a lot of gold. I like to "collect" gold, it's just a thing I do. Mixers hardly NEED gold, unless they buys ings to speed up their mixing, most mixers I know don't even do this though. There is the books though, I do know that, boy do I know,, but if you plan well, you can still buy your books, and profit.

 

I really think we need to stop thinking about ourselves and more about the community. It wont happen, but I just wish we can open our eyes... We need each other. Fighters need to make more gc than mixers, because they use it more. I don't even know why items need to be priced as high as it is... seriously...

 

But we're off topic... I'll stop now. I am not wanting to start a bashing read... sorry... no hard feelings, just trying to make peace...

[ccReynolds]

If this truly was a community effort (socalism):

1) The instancers wouldn't be killing hydro farmers.

2) They would be giving the oranges away to mixers so they can make resources more efficiently.

3) If they had an item that would benifit the community, they would not demand compensation for using it.

 

The fact is the people wanting "handouts" are the wealthiest players in the game. Anyone that wants to spend someone else's cash pays more than face dollar for it in real life. Whether it is a company selling stock, or someone getting a payday loan. If you are having trouble getting stuff you need for instances pay more for it, or establish a network of suppliers.

[Ateh]

so inferno/forever do you want to donate some free iron ore , coal and fire essences to me then on the off chance I make a special sword and might sell it to you?

 

gfy ! ? what do you mean? lol

Edited February 16, 2011 by Ateh

[forever]

Ok CC let me get this straight.

 

We should pay you for your supplies, then give you oranges for free absolute free, to make more supplies that we have to buy anyway..

 

Also, so you know, none of this was even come up with by fighters/instancers. We didn't demand compensation for using it.

 

What wealthiest people in the game expect hand outs? We pay for practically everything, where as a lot of others expect us to drop down something that everyone can use and enjoy (don't care if you're a mixer or a fighter everyone appreciates a sun tzu) for free with with out any hesitation.

 

We're called greedy for wanting to make profit in something where mixers/harvesters pretty much have stagnant or rising profit on items they make. Most people don't make HE for sale, because less exp and less profit.. so they revert to bars and bars.

 

 

The point of hydro harvesting is.. it's supposed to be risky. It pays well, has a great market for it, so henceforth it shouldn't be easy. If hydro was made easier, more people would do them, and more people would buy PP's due to the massive amount of flow of Hydro in the game (which most people no-no about pp buying to begin with). How frequently does a perosn get killed doing hydro anyway? Very rarely have I ever seen someone camping the area. I not too long ago ventured through there harvesting a good 500+ hydro ore with out once running into someone there to kill me.

 

Getting mad at someone for killing you on a PK maps is the most BS excuse i've ever heard of for not wanting to support fighters. We get levels to kill lower level players who wander into pk maps and we're some kind of heinous assholes?

 

 

 

@Ateh

 

Shut the fu Stop. Seriously, you're attackign me personally for no reason whatsoever. This isn't my poll, this ISN'T my thread, I was posting MY opinion, and not ONCE begged/asked for a handout in ALL the instances I've done.

 

The only thing instancing did that effected the market in MY opinion was drop prices on things down to extreme lows. Which SHOULDN'T be an issue for you people considering quite a few people woudl love to get their hands on a HOLAM or an orange for a fairly decent price.

 

You're all just greedy. Seriously. We pay and pay and pay and it's never enough for you. You whine and bitch and moan daily. Complain about how boring your EL life is and then down play us and push and push to make our EL time boring. You want us to make no profit and you want us to "do something" in EL because we aren't doing what you're doing.

 

Because what we enjoy isn't what you enjoy OMFG. You want more and more and expect to give less and less.

 

You want to make some profit and GC? Get off your ass and harvest something rather than buy absolutely every ore you can get your grubby hands on because you're lazy. It might take a little longer but the pay out is a lot better.

 

I know a guy, who's one of the most rich EL'ers i've ever met, who's not a fighter in anyway shape or form, but he makes a fortune buying all but a small item that he harvests and then turns around with a profit.

Lets take Steel bars for instance.

 

Buying 8 iron / 5 coal / 3 FE per can get pricey and you see that as NO PROFIT. Which is why you charge more and more no? I don't see a damn fighter buying steel bars, so you can't blame that on us. Try buying the iron and the FE and harvesting the coal. For every bar you make (with coal at 2.2) you make 11gc profit on top of the natural small profit you'd already get.

Edited February 16, 2011 by forever

[CherUT]

Just imo first let me say I would not concider myself a mixer or a fighter

I think most of these people who are doing instances prob have as much or more gc than most of you mixers.

I know of instancers who have many nexus removals, if they really needed the gc for supplies wouldnt they be selling them? I dont do alot of instances but I am curious how much the "farmers" make a week on instances then how much a mixer makes a week on selling to them. I have done a few instances and even with buying all my pots, arrows, essies I still make a profit. I dont think anyone would be doing alot of instances if this were not the case. I personally would not feel good having someone give me supplies so I could go instance and make more gc. I have to agree Raz had the best suggestion. ATM we do not know what the new day stones are so I would think until then no one can say they will benefit the mixers vs the fighters. I know of a certain fighter who said he will kill all hydro runners because the mixers are charging too much for stuff. Sounds fair kill them make them lose rosto's. seems the price of hydro that them fighters want would even increase more. I feel the mixers mixing what they can and doing the best they can to supply the fighters is help enough. I am not at all saying dont help them that is your choice ofc. We all chose the path we took in EL I am just giving my thoughts on this.