Chosen Report post Posted October 22, 2009 (edited) This is based on what asgnny said in this Forum Topic. The suggestion to remove the branch of destruction may be a reasonable offset for the NMT becoming breakable. Some players would be able to use NMT in PK, and still be at a disadvantage to those using perk cloaks (e.g. BP, Mirror), as well as the mana burn rings, bone of death, etc. A cape of the unbreakable would still be important for PK, but not necessarily be the end-all be-all PK cape. PK used to be less of a hateful quest for vengeance, and more of a fun "You killed me, I'll train up and beat you next time" environment. The incessant PK-driven flames and outright disgusting attitudes do not reflect well upon EL. Furthermore, what new player would want to enter PK when he has to be warned "watch out if you decide to enter PK - some rich player might try to destroy all of your hard-earned stuff". As has been mentioned previously on the subject of game development, other successful games should be looked at to see what works. I have not heard of any other (similar) game in which players can deliberately and permanently destroy items of another player. Lots of people commented about it on that thread, I just thought it would be easier to make a topic, for people to view and comment. #Edit - Just FYI, I voted option #1 Edited October 22, 2009 by Liquid Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisC Report post Posted October 22, 2009 I voted #2, but rly, i think #3 would be a better option. Moslty because there is no better feeling than broding something exspensive of someone that you hate Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kalak Report post Posted October 22, 2009 I voted option #2... Im not interesed in PK, but i still apreciate any improvements in it. But i also think this change will make mnt breakable in PVE, which is a really expensive item as is it. If they become breakable, i think prices will go even more high also :-/ Option #4 is also acceptable imo, that way u can improve pk without getting involve with PVE. Excuse me for my english Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Infamous Report post Posted October 22, 2009 voted 3. radu offered a change, a good one, dont try to take his hand when he gives u a finger.. might backfire xD Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SenZon Report post Posted October 22, 2009 #1 ftw - bb brod FYI - this is coming from someone who has used brod a good amount Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kidberg Report post Posted October 22, 2009 What in the blue hell makes you guys think that Radu will take brod outta the game? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jamesjersey Report post Posted October 22, 2009 Voted for 2. Why are you seeing this from pvp side not from pve side. I dont want my nmt to be breakable. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
machevort Report post Posted October 22, 2009 Voted for 2. Why are you seeing this from pvp side not from pve side. I dont want my nmt to be breakable. Same. If this happens, I guess I train till my NMT breaks. Then buy some attri removals and get NMT perk. Wud be bad for my mana, gc stock and EMU though . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
threedee Report post Posted October 22, 2009 Well rather even thinking to change NMT to breakable, changing Cape of No More Warlock to not breakable will make much more sense and useful. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jajohn Report post Posted October 22, 2009 voted 4, but now that I think of it, would it be possible to make nmt breakable only in PK? that would have my vote;) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ghio Report post Posted October 22, 2009 Well rather even thinking to change NMT to breakable, changing Cape of No More Warlock to not breakable will make much more sense and useful. i voted for things to stay as they are... but after reading this i think it should be added to poll. Make Cape of No More Warlock unbreakable... that would make sense cause making nmt breakable makes no sense to me... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chosen Report post Posted October 22, 2009 (edited) I don't want NMT Cape breakable either, I don't see the point. But if that's the case that the NMT becomes breakable, I'd rather have Brod removed. (And btw, I'm the #1 Brod'er of NMT Capes.) anyways, I'd much prefer NMT to stay as they are. #Edit - And removing the Brod, would have a positive effect on the PK, tbh with you. I often hear people saying "I wont bother going to KF if some random is just going to break my stuff".. So it seems, somewhat logical. Edited October 22, 2009 by Liquid Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Quesar Report post Posted October 22, 2009 (edited) UGGGGG! Once again this is Nova posting this. Not Quesar. :/ The longer we are married, the more we turn into one person anyway. Maybe its inevitable In the original thread about breakable NMTs that turned into the 'remove the BROD' thread, Radu put forth the idea of the NMT degrading into a better NMT +extra armor cloak that could be repairable by tailors. I think this original idea was really good, somewhere along the way removing the BROD in exchange for the change was introduced, I think this idea is also really good. (repairable No More Warlock wouldn't be a bad idea either. Give the poor tailors something in their skill that is useful, not just flashy) I didn't vote because I am not sure if option #1 takes into consideration Radu's original idea about a degradable/repairable nmt. Here is the original thread in case anyone hasn't seen it. http://www.eternal-lands.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=51366 Some of the highlights of that thread, not mentioned in this thread: -NMT degrading into a better NMT +armor cloak -NMT drop rate being increased to meet demand (hopefully making it so NMTs aren't super expensive) -Degraded NMT being repairable This is kind of important stuff to take into consideration before voting imho. Edited October 22, 2009 by Quesar Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nathanstenzel Report post Posted October 22, 2009 (edited) Voted for 2. Why are you seeing this from pvp side not from pve side. I dont want my nmt to be breakable. James, it annoys me at times that some of these guys posting do not seem to be capable of thinking about things from a non-pk point of view, but it seems to be pointless to try to get them to see things from any other angle. I have tried many times and failed miserably. Their pk-goggle vision can't be helped. They only see pk. As for BroD being removed or not.....I don't know if BroD is much worse than fighting a monster above your level or not. I know there are many guilds with BroD lists though. Heh. A true sign of hatred, I guess. I agree with the Nova/Quesar person (just have to joke about this a little). A person has to wonder if this takes into account all of what Radu had planned. If you BroD a NMT cape and turn it into the unstable (is it really degraded if it gives bonuses?) version, I imagine you could find yourself dead thanks to the bonuses you helped the person get by BroDing their cape. Edited October 22, 2009 by nathanstenzel Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tico Report post Posted October 22, 2009 (edited) I agree with Asgnny statement, a game where another player can destroy other ppl hard work is realy hard to agree. I would accept any game change in orther of removing brod outta EL (NMT breakeable, higher break rates in other items, whatever radu finds out a good way for "paying" BROD removal) BROD brought to EL a the dark side of all player... no more nice guys in PK, everyone now needs to carry a brod (and that includes me). Our comunity has changed once this item started to be frequently used. When your fun is to ruin other people fun, something bad is going on. And it seems to fit perfectly on some guys on our comunity at this very moment As stated for our beloved friend Senzon and some other players #1 ftw - bb brod I voted #2, but rly, i think #3 would be a better option. Moslty because there is no better feeling than broding something exspensive of someone that you hate FYI - this is coming from someone who has used brod a good amount EL was always know as a good game with an awsome, full of nice ppl, realy enjoyable comunity. I belive a item like BROD is no good for EL comunity. And, as i said before, I'm ready to afford the price to remove the BROD *sorry for any bad english Edited October 22, 2009 by Tico Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dilly Report post Posted October 22, 2009 (edited) Voted for 2. Why are you seeing this from pvp side not from pve side. I dont want my nmt to be breakable. James, it annoys me at times that some of these guys posting do not seem to be capable of thinking about things from a non-pk point of view, but it seems to be pointless to try to get them to see things from any other angle. I have tried many times and failed miserably. Their pk-goggle vision can't be helped. They only see pk. As for BroD being removed or not.....I don't know if BroD is much worse than fighting a monster above your level or not. I know there are many guilds with BroD lists though. Heh. A true sign of hatred, I guess. I agree with the Nova/Quesar person (just have to joke about this a little). A person has to wonder if this takes into account all of what Radu had planned. If you BroD a NMT cape and turn it into the unstable (is it really degraded if it gives bonuses?) version, I imagine you could find yourself dead thanks to the bonuses you helped the person get by BroDing their cape. Nathan, get your head out your rear end please, and stop crusading against 'pkers' when, if you had bothered reading the original post you'd have seen A LOT of support from people who do not PK, and who practice PVE combat a hell of a lot more than you do (and I don't need to see your pixels in action to know that for a fact). Btw: not voting in this poll, I'd like to see Radu's reply to the original thread before even coming back here. Edited October 22, 2009 by Dilly Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
korrode Report post Posted October 22, 2009 Voted #1 Asgnny's final sentence is the key factor in my mind, I'll put it as simply as i can; The BRoD allows a player to cause extreme grief to multiple other players. There's a good reason why little to no other MMO's allow one player to cause extreme grief to others, and those reasons should be carefully considered for the future prosperity of EL. On the other hand; why would i care, i've broded more than i've been broded. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lorck Report post Posted October 22, 2009 (edited) I was one of the most adamant defenders of brod removal... Lets get over it, it won't get removed... EDIT: LOL @ Korrode's sig, so true. Edited October 22, 2009 by Lorck Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rajun Report post Posted October 22, 2009 #4 ppl complain about astro but dont seem to mind having to wear 1 cape in pk or lose ur shit,brods suk takem out Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dchels Report post Posted October 22, 2009 Voted #1 as i stated in Radu's post Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Desertus Report post Posted October 22, 2009 #2 Keep things as they are. Why change something that works well? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
korrode Report post Posted October 22, 2009 (edited) Why change something that works well? Oh sorry, didn't realise the system already works well... yeah you're right, KF is permanently jam packed full of people and the EL playerbase is quickly increasing in size, so why change anything. ^^ Edited October 22, 2009 by Korrode Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shujral Report post Posted October 23, 2009 Voted to Keep NMT unbreakable and remove BRoD. (Don't pk, but people bitch way too much). Second choice would have been leave it like it is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tyrannis Report post Posted October 23, 2009 Ghey poll, Brod can't be remove from game Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
