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Hello,

 

This is Koss. I'm here to give my story on behalf of the banning of my character.

 

I'm 99% sure the reason why I got banned is for IP/IP tradeing (same IP). If you check the server logs you will see that the things I traded had no value to them what so ever. (Trading from Coke -> Koss and Koss -> Coke) This is because Coke is a guild bot I'm working on.

 

"Why are you not testing the bot on the test server?" you may ask.

 

A perfect question that I'm prepared to answer honestly. I simply did not know how to get on the test server. I looked to see how to before I tried. Tried looking at the ports..that didn't help me. el.ini was already set to port 2001 so I had no idea what was going on. So stupid me just said to hell with it and started testing.

 

Reading posts that just say "If you don't know how to get to the test server, you probably shouldn't be coding a bot." do not help. Now that I'm looking for that post I can't seem to find it, but I know it's there.

 

You may ask Radu. If he looks in his chat logs he will see that I (Koss) asked him about a bot name, proving that I am in fact working on a bot.

 

You may also ask Radu how many times I've bought items from the EL shop. Not sure who in there right mind would be more than $50 and then turn around as say "Hey, maybe I'll do something bad and try to get banned!" Not trying to say I've giving you money, I deserve not to get banned, I understand that I'm just like everyone else. The point I'm trying to make is...why would I if I was going to do something totally horrible and risk getting banned for it?

 

Back to my story:

 

After that, I asked Scarface (a friend and guild leader of mine) how to go about testing it on the test server he told be exactly on how to go about doing that.

 

As you can see in the server logs now I've recently logged into the the test server with the character Koss to begin the testing.

 

To make a long story short:

Not trying to make a post saying "I did not do that!" because if anything I'm admitting what I did. All I'm saying is a reason why I was doing it. I understand it's against the rules, and I understand I should have looked further into the test server before I started testing the bot.

 

I had no bad intentions, I wish only the best for this game, its community and its developers.

 

Please take a look at the information I provided. I'm out of state right now, on vacation so it may take awhile to respond, but I promise I will. :)

 

Thank you for your time,

Koss

Edited by Koss

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Did you ever look at the Bots section in forums?

The rules of creating and running one are there, and discussed plenty.

 

Short version, you should not have even connected to the main server until you got your bot approved by entropy. A discussion that you are "going to make one" or "working on one" is not approval for a working bot.

I am sure there are instructions somewhere how to get to the test server and pk server (same procedure, just change pk to test or vice versa).

All bots-to-be are considered alts (approved or not) until it is paid for and flagged as a bot and has a purple name. As an alt, ALL rule 5 applies. You cannot trade with it for any purpose, or any value. "Items of no value" are still illegally traded items and it happened a bunch.

Ignorance is no excuse, rules are plastered all over, ingame and in forums. There are help channels ingame, and #help_me command for more complicated questions.

Lots of people buy stuff or dedicate pretty much their entire EL time allotment to helping others and helping the game. They managed to read the rules or ask.

 

This link as well might be of interest to you, as to what you can expect:

http://www.eternal-lands.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=41193

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Did you ever look at the Bots section in forums?

The rules of creating and running one are there, and discussed plenty.

 

Short version, you should not have even connected to the main server until you got your bot approved by entropy. A discussion that you are "going to make one" or "working on one" is not approval for a working bot.

I am sure there are instructions somewhere how to get to the test server and pk server (same procedure, just change pk to test or vice versa).

All bots-to-be are considered alts (approved or not) until it is paid for and flagged as a bot and has a purple name. As an alt, ALL rule 5 applies. You cannot trade with it for any purpose, or any value. "Items of no value" are still illegally traded items and it happened a bunch.

Ignorance is no excuse, rules are plastered all over, ingame and in forums. There are help channels ingame, and #help_me command for more complicated questions.

Lots of people buy stuff or dedicate pretty much their entire EL time allotment to helping others and helping the game. They managed to read the rules or ask.

 

This link as well might be of interest to you, as to what you can expect:

http://www.eternal-lands.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=41193

 

I never said talking to Entropy about a bot name was a good enough approval for working on a bot. I said asking him would be proof that I was in fact working on one.

 

Yeah, you're right there very well might be instructions on how to connect to the test server. The fact is I simply could not find it. The only post that I found where another individual was asking the same question got the simple answer "You shouldn't try creating a bot if you don't know how to connect to the test server." Not much help, just negativity. Yeah it might be right..If you can't connect to the test server, you may not have business making a bot..but where's the learning in that? Everyone had to learn at some point. And at some point EVERYONE had the ask that question. Just because you know something that the other person doesn't, does not make you superior. (Not pointing the finger at you Aislinn, I'm not even sure if you posted on the topic I'm talking about.)

 

I understand that the bot must be approved and paid for to begin using it in the game. If not hundreds of bots would be flying around, but I didn't see the harm in connecting it to test it out. There's no other way to do it. And call me cheap but I wasn't prepared to pay for something that I'm not sure might even work.

 

Ignorant? Maybe I am. But I admitted I was at fault. I'm not trying to say I did nothing wrong, I 100% admit I did trade items on the same IP. I'm merely stating the reason why.

 

And like I said on my first post, I'm not trying to say "Well I bought items I should get special treatment."

 

Anyways, all I'm asking is if there is anyway that these characters can be unlocked? I now know the proper precautions on how to begin developing and testing a bot.

 

Thank you for your time Aislinn,

Koss

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I never said talking to Entropy about a bot name was a good enough approval for working on a bot. I said asking him would be proof that I was in fact working on one.
Ok, but it's still illegal to run it on main server and illegal to trade iwth it for any reason. As pointed out and again stated in the bot rules, it is an alt (subject to ALL illegal multi and regular player rules) until paid for, flagged in the code as a bot, and gets it's purple name.

 

Yeah, you're right there very well might be instructions on how to connect to the test server. The fact is I simply could not find it. The only post that I found where another individual was asking the same question got the simple answer "You shouldn't try creating a bot if you don't know how to connect to the test server." Not much help, just negativity. Yeah it might be right..If you can't connect to the test server, you may not have business making a bot..but where's the learning in that? Everyone had to learn at some point. And at some point EVERYONE had the ask that question. Just because you know something that the other person doesn't, does not make you superior. (Not pointing the finger at you Aislinn, I'm not even sure if you posted on the topic I'm talking about.)
And I put to you: Learning is not the issue. The information IS out there, as well as multiple locations to get help on how to find it. The issue is, if you cannot do something legally, you should not do it at all until you "learn" the procedure HOW to do it legally. It just seems to me that before taking on such a major project, it behooves one to understand it and research it first.

 

I understand that the bot must be approved and paid for to begin using it in the game. If not hundreds of bots would be flying around, but I didn't see the harm in connecting it to test it out. There's no other way to do it. And call me cheap but I wasn't prepared to pay for something that I'm not sure might even work.
I"m pretty sure in the bot section either in the bot rules or "How to start/make a bot" thread (pinned for easy finding) it says flat out you can (and how to do so) get approval FIRST before paying, to make sure you are on the right track and not wasting your time and/or money.

 

Ignorant? Maybe I am. But I admitted I was at fault. I'm not trying to say I did nothing wrong, I 100% admit I did trade items on the same IP. I'm merely stating the reason why.

 

And like I said on my first post, I'm not trying to say "Well I bought items I should get special treatment."

 

Anyways, all I'm asking is if there is anyway that these characters can be unlocked? I now know the proper precautions on how to begin developing and testing a bot.

I posted the link that has this answer. Getting unlocked any sooner is getting special treatment :)

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Well I guess I have no choice but to comply.

 

Thanks at least for listening Aislinn. No hard feelings.

 

Koss

 

 

EDIT: Someone asked me how to connect to the test server so they do not follow into the same trap as I did. Figured I would post here for everyone.

 

How to connect to the Test Server:

First, copy the Eternal Lands shortcut on your desktop and make a new one. So there should be TWO shortcuts to EL on your desktop.

RIGHT click on one of them and click on "Properties" in the drop down menu. From there, click on the Shortcut tab if you're not already on it.

After that, the second field you see is labeled "Target". We're going to edit that field.

What you need to do is put the word "test" (without quotes) after the ending quote.

 

Example:

"C:\Program Files\Eternal Lands\el_170_rc1.exe" test

 

Or for some people it would be

"C:\Program Files\Eternal Lands\el.exe" test

 

After that, Apply, Save, Rename to Test Server if you wish, and you're done. Double click as normal and you will be connected to the Test Server.

 

As for connecting to the test server with the bot:

That should be somewhere in the bots config file asking for a port number. Change the port to 2001 and that should connect to to the test server instead of the main server (port 2000).

 

Feel free to ask me if you need help.

Edited by Koss

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After discussing your issue with Aislinn, we decided to shorten your ban to two weeks, with a strong warning not to ever do that again.

This is partially because you are right, it wasn't easy to find the information on how to connect a bot on the test server, and also because we don't believe you violated the spirit of rule number 5.

On the other hand, you still should have read the rules and ask someone if you wanted to learn how to go on the test server with the bot.

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Thank you very much Entropy, and also you Aislinn.

 

Yeah, a person named JoshNZ was making a bot and wondering how to connect to the test server as he could not find the answer either.

(Also sent you some PM's in game on this subject last night Aislinn, hope you get them. There was no reply back.)

So I went ahead and just put them in this post. :)

 

But thank you guys very much. :)

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