a Christian Guild!

[Morhwal]

hey. this guild will be called ELFF which means Eternal Life For Free. pm me in game or post here if your interested. tyvm God Bless.

(if your interested in christ and anything about him you too may be a candidate, ide be glad to answer any questions you have to the best of my ability

(was going to be KfC..but was too common)

Edited March 20, 2008 by Morhwal

[Cruella]

Man, change the short name - I'm sure more of us associates KFC with something entirely different than God. Do not mix Christ with Colonel Sanders

 

Happy Easter btw

[Peach]

hey. this guild will be called KfC which means Knights for Christ. pm me in game or post here if your interested. tyvm God Bless.

(if your interested in christ and anything about him you too may be a candidate, ide be glad to answer any questions you have to the best of my ability)

kentucky fried chicken ftw!

[Kaddy]

hey. this guild will be called KfC which means Knights for Christ. pm me in game or post here if your interested. tyvm God Bless.

(if your interested in christ and anything about him you too may be a candidate, ide be glad to answer any questions you have to the best of my ability)

kentucky fried chicken ftw!

 

 

LMAO

 

On topic: Good luck with the new guild plz become PKers

[Vanyel]

I have VERY ambivalent feelings about this guild.

[eagleprince]

Man, change the short name - I'm sure more of us associates KFC with something entirely different than God. Do not mix Christ with Colonel Sanders

 

Happy Easter btw

I quite like KfC myself, and I don't see the problem with the short name since fried chicken - or should that be fried cockatrice? - has not been implemented in-game yet, although I wouldn't put it past those devs!

 

In any case, I don't think RL copyright laws can be enforced on EL guild names either.

 

GL with the guild. I would join if I hadn't started mine.

 

LMAO

 

On topic: Good luck with the new guild plz become PKers

As long as you don't expect them to turn the other cheek while on PK maps

 

I have VERY ambivalent feelings about this guild.

Why, if I may ask?

Are you speaking as a moderator, by any chance?

Edited March 19, 2008 by EaglePrince

[korrode]

I have VERY ambivalent feelings about this guild.

Yeah i know what you mean... I just hope if an Atheist or Satanic guild is started they receive the same degree of acceptance as this guild receives.

[Tempest]

hmmm.. could definitly make some problems but.. well everyone has the right to have a religion so.. why not have a christian guild basicly :/ even the US law is based on god AFAIK (correct me if im wrong) so... well should be allowed. GL with the guild.

Edited March 19, 2008 by Tempest

[korrode]

Yeah i think its ok really, it's a good way to know you're joining a guild that, to at least a degree, will have like-minded people in it.

 

Maybe some day i start an Agnostic guild ^^ ...well, Agnostic PK'ers guild anyway

[Aislinn]

I see this as perfectly acceptable as long as EL is not used as a soapbox, and that goes for any group.

 

And the rest of you please knock off the "jokes".

[Acelon]

Man, change the short name - I'm sure more of us associates KFC with something entirely different than God. Do not mix Christ with Colonel Sanders

 

Happy Easter btw

I quite like KfC myself, and I don't see the problem with the short name since fried chicken - or should that be fried cockatrice? - has not been implemented in-game yet, although I wouldn't put it past those devs!

 

Well, you must remember, we don't have christ implemented in the game either

[Infamous]

Mortos ftw! \o/

 

anyway as long as they dont bug me trying to spread the word then it's fine

[Vanyel]

I have VERY ambivalent feelings about this guild.

Why, if I may ask?

Are you speaking as a moderator, by any chance?

 

Do you mean I have no rights to have my own opinion? To make it clear. I mean it as a regular player, as a person that doen't follow any religion, as an agnostic. Why I have ambivalent feelings about it? It's easy. Let's start with the name of the guild

Knights for Christ

Knights originally were trained for fighting. I can understand they may fight for their faith with good deeds, but... what if they start to enforce their vision of life and world to others? Are we going to have religion wars in Eternal Lands too? Isn't it enough to have them in real life?

What if somebody gets a great idea of christianisation? I honestly can't stand people convincing me their religion is the best in the world and all other are wrong. That's what Aislinn meant, either.

 

I have VERY ambivalent feelings about this guild.

Yeah i know what you mean... I just hope if an Atheist or Satanic guild is started they receive the same degree of acceptance as this guild receives.

What Korrode said. This is my next point. Christian guild, Muslims guild, Satanists guild, Buddhists guild, etc. Will they be allowed as well? Will they have the very same rights? I can only hope they will.

I'm all for keeping religion off the game. All religions. There's a freedom of faith, but it means that everybody is free to have one's own beliefs.

Edited March 20, 2008 by Vanyel

[Cruella]

To be honest, bringing RL religion (no matter which) into the game where a number of fantasy gods exists is questionable imho

 

Just to make it clear - I do not care really whether such guild will be in game or not, this is just my personal feeling based on how I understand the difference between RL beliefs and fantasy world we are playing the game in.

Edited March 20, 2008 by Cruella

[cassiopia]

I think what is meant by saying a "christian guild" is that they are letting applicants know what type of guild they represent. Such as PK, Adult, Role play.....etc..

 

I see nothing wrong with having a guild that share same beliefs and moral values.

 

I really don't think they are going going to be dragging the cross around to crucify others for not sharing the same views.

 

Good Luck with guild,

 

CassIoPA

[Cruella]

I see nothing wrong with having a guild that share same beliefs and moral values.

 

Me neither, that's obvious

 

The question is how Knights of Christ, Priests of Buddha, Witnesses of Jehowa, Soldiers of Muhammad, etc. fit in the world of Mortos, Aluwen, Glilin, Selain, Unolas, etc.

 

But as I said, if the members themselves find that appropriate, I have no problem with that.

[cassiopia]

I see nothing wrong with having a guild that share same beliefs and moral values.

 

Me neither, that's obvious

 

The question is how Knights of Christ, Priests of Buddha, Witnesses of Jehowa, Soldiers of Muhammad, etc. fit in the world of Mortos, Aluwen, Glilin, Selain, Unolas, etc.

 

But as I said, if the members themselves find that appropriate, I have no problem with that.

 

 

 

 

I would assume they would fit in as anyone would here and would certainly hope so.

 

But as politic's and religion go, everyone has their own opinion and rightly so.

[LabRat]

Quick question:

 

If I as a Muslim want to join this guild would I be allowed to or denied it on religious grounds? If I was denied access for my own religious viewpoint is that not expressly covered by rule 5 specifically "anti-religious"?

 

I don't want to join your guild, just asking a question.

 

Meh I reckon that

Guild Scientologists has 1000 members.

would be just as emotive, and slightly more topical. Would there then be allowed a

Guild Anonymous has 1500 members.

?

 

My opinion? Keep RL religious affiliations out of EL.

[Aislinn]

Quick question:

 

If I as a Muslim want to join this guild would I be allowed to or denied it on religious grounds? If I was denied access for my own religious viewpoint is that not expressly covered by rule 5 specifically "anti-religious"?

 

I don't want to join your guild, just asking a question.

 

Meh I reckon that

Guild Scientologists has 1000 members.

would be just as emotive, and slightly more topical. Would there then be allowed a

Guild Anonymous has 1500 members.

?

 

My opinion? Keep RL religious affiliations out of EL.

I don't see that making a christian guild or a muslim guild or an automechanic's guild are any different, as long as that conversation stays within guild and private chat. People can make a guild based on any common ground they choose, as long as they do not force it on others. For that matter, a guild has the right to not accept anybody they don't want to accept, for any reason. As to rule 3 (you meant 3 although you said 5), that goes for public speaking or attacks on anybody or any group for those reasons listed. I do not take it to mean you cannot form a guild based on that common ground, as long as you are not bashing other beliefs or preaching to the rest of us.

[eagleprince]

Quick question:

 

If I as a Muslim want to join this guild would I be allowed to or denied it on religious grounds? If I was denied access for my own religious viewpoint is that not expressly covered by rule 5 specifically "anti-religious"?

 

I don't want to join your guild, just asking a question.

 

Meh I reckon that

Guild Scientologists has 1000 members.

would be just as emotive, and slightly more topical. Would there then be allowed a

Guild Anonymous has 1500 members.

?

 

My opinion? Keep RL religious affiliations out of EL.

I think it would not be wise for such people as you have mentioned to join this guild. That would just be looking for trouble. For example, I have several friends in a guild you know of, and was actually invited by the GM. I had to politely decline because my personal values would clash badly with the guild. Guess what? We're still good friends.

 

Please let's not get political about this. The idea of specifying that this is a Christian guild is so that you know what kind of guildmates you are likely to have, so you can make a sensible decision as to whether to join or not. This is not about a crusade or jihad, were such a thing even possible in the game.

 

Guilds are about people who share a common interest, language or vision. I fail to see how this is so different as to warrant such debate.

[Vanyel]

As long as they share their vision in their #gm I'm all ok.

 

I wouldn't call our worries 'getting political'. On the contrary. Our worries are caused by something that may get political. May I be a fake prophet, but I still have rather ambivalent feelings and see this guild and similar ones as a possible source of misunderstandings and... if it extends - troubles.

Saying it, I'm done with this topic.

 

Good luck with your guild. Hope you will know where to draw the line and you will never pass it.

[sywren]

I have no issues with this guild's formation, and I don't even see it as controversial. Religious freedom isn't gained by squelching all formation of religious groups.

 

Guilds forming around a common interest isn't new, and if they don't want a member based on different religious beliefs, I have no problem with that either. People can choose to accept or reject whomever they want based on whatever they want. I'm sure many people have been rejected by a guild for far better reasons than "you don't share our common attitude/belief". Isn't that almost always the main reason someone is rejected?

 

Here is where I do have a problem, and I believe this is where Vanyel is having concerns. The post title indicates "spreading God's love." EL has no place for proselytizing. What they do within their guild is up to them. They can discuss God's love all they like; I just don't want anyone trying to convert me.

 

I don't believe we would be having this discussion had the post simple said "celebrating God's love" or something like that.

Edited March 20, 2008 by sygon

[Morhwal]

I think what is meant by saying a "christian guild" is that they are letting applicants know what type of guild they represent. Such as PK, Adult, Role play.....etc..

 

I see nothing wrong with having a guild that share same beliefs and moral values.

 

I really don't think they are going going to be dragging the cross around to crucify others for not sharing the same views.

 

Good Luck with guild,

 

CassIoPA

 

cassiopia, those are my exact thoughts, i enjoy being around people with similar views on the world, not that i dont enjoy being around others. we can share our own expeiriences and life with people of the same values, circumstances(as in religious beliefs). i really hopw this guild will work out. thx for the encouragement. - Walter S./Morhwal

Edited March 20, 2008 by Morhwal

[Morhwal]

Quick question:

 

If I as a Muslim want to join this guild would I be allowed to or denied it on religious grounds? If I was denied access for my own religious viewpoint is that not expressly covered by rule 5 specifically "anti-religious"?

 

I don't want to join your guild, just asking a question.

 

Meh I reckon that

Guild Scientologists has 1000 members.

would be just as emotive, and slightly more topical. Would there then be allowed a

Guild Anonymous has 1500 members.

?

 

My opinion? Keep RL religious affiliations out of EL.

I think it would not be wise for such people as you have mentioned to join this guild. That would just be looking for trouble. For example, I have several friends in a guild you know of, and was actually invited by the GM. I had to politely decline because my personal values would clash badly with the guild. Guess what? We're still good friends.

 

Please let's not get political about this. The idea of specifying that this is a Christian guild is so that you know what kind of guildmates you are likely to have, so you can make a sensible decision as to whether to join or not. This is not about a crusade or jihad, were such a thing even possible in the game.

 

Guilds are about people who share a common interest, language or vision. I fail to see how this is so different as to warrant such debate.

 

i definitely agree with you eagle, some people have different morals/values. I know many people who look for a kind of "common" thing to associate a guild with, in my case, aslong as its a nice, clean(talking) guild im fine with it. i do not want this getting political, i think everyone has a right(freedom of expression)

if you dont like it, thats too bad. i guarentee you noone will be preaching at you, if you ask in a private conversation, then yes i will share with you what i believe. p.s. this is NOT a crusade. lol.

Edited March 20, 2008 by Morhwal

[Morhwal]

I have no issues with this guild's formation, and I don't even see it as controversial. Religious freedom isn't gained by squelching all formation of religious groups.

 

Guilds forming around a common interest isn't new, and if they don't want a member based on different religious beliefs, I have no problem with that either. People can choose to accept or reject whomever they want based on whatever they want. I'm sure many people have been rejected by a guild for far better reasons than "you don't share our common attitude/belief". Isn't that almost always the main reason someone is rejected?

 

Here is where I do have a problem, and I believe this is where Vanyel is having concerns. The post title indicates "spreading God's love." EL has no place for proselytizing. What they do within their guild is up to them. They can discuss God's love all they like; I just don't want anyone trying to convert me.

 

I don't believe we would be having this discussion had the post simple said "celebrating God's love" or something like that.

 

sygon, there are many ways to spread God's love. just by being here, people may want to know what we are doing, they may ask simply because they are curious. Under NO circumstances will i be "sharing God's love" outwardly in a public area/chat. if you ask me, i will share God's love with you/anyone else who may be curious to ask.