Lvling in manu

[Lorfy]

Hi, im new to manufacturing, and want to know what is the most efficiant way of getting to high lvls (maybe while making a bit of profit?).

 

I know to do leather quest and that leather helms r good exp, but thats about it.

So any1 got any advice for a newbie manufacturer?

[Blodoks]

Start with manu quest in IP, so you can go from lvl 0 to lvl 6

[Lorfy]

K, that will get me started. I got another question, is it worth taking up manu god with low amounts of money? Is the first 2-3 quests cheap or expencive? Thx.

[Albazz]

Do as much of the manu god as you can afford, and do the rest when you can

 

Good Luck with manu. As far as making a profit is concerned, just forget about it. Not possible in manu

 

Leather helms is pretty much all you need to know to lvl manu, by far the most efficient and the cheapest way to lvl manu.

 

Albazz aka Hawkeye

Edited January 19, 2008 by Albazz

[Zamirah]

 

Leather helms is pretty much all you need to know to lvl manu, by far the most efficient and the cheapest way to lvl manu.

 

Albazz aka Hawkeye

Depend how fast you want to level.

I have only made very few leather helms and only when I already had high levels and big emu,- could bring a lot ingreds to Trik.

I levelled making iron swords/shields, made the iron/steel bars and sold the shields to Trik, free if you harv/make bars.

Slower - but give gc.

 

Made few levels with leather glowes when I did'nt have nexus, still have some left.

Edited January 19, 2008 by Zamirah

[Albazz]

Time is money, no way that making iron swords from scratch is faster or cheaper than leather helms.

 

Albazz aka Hawkeye

Edited January 20, 2008 by Albazz

[Aphistolas]

Hm, I'd suggest you do the manufactures quest on Isla Prima (look for a sick NPC) to get some experience in the skill.

 

Leather Helms are supposedly the best expierence, I have a friend who's level 72 Manufacturing (last time I asked) who still makes leather helms.

 

Good Luck

[Zamirah]

 

Leather Helms are supposedly the best expierence, I have a friend who's level 72 Manufacturing (last time I asked) who still makes leather helms.

I'm level 69 and have only made few leather helms, and good gc.

The last many levels only making s2es and the armor/weapons I need for my training.

I think it depend of what you like.

Edited January 20, 2008 by Zamirah

[Blodoks]

Like I said in PM to Lorfy, I'm godless, lvl 74 manu and I never made a leather helm.

So there are many ways to play. From my point of view, the leather helm leveling is

an end in itself, for a well identified kind of player.

[captdeadhead]

In any event, the days of manu profits are long gone.

[Ateh]

well one week ago I would have completely agreed that thier is no profit in manufacturing BUT :

 

you can make rare Items which will sell for ALOT more than it would cost to make them

 

Personal Example : I set out to make my first set of Steel Greaves - ingredients totalling over 26kgc if sold seperately - but they came out as Steel Greaves of Ubber Defence which sold for well over 300kgc

 

Then crazily , and I admit this probably doesnt happen often , but the next day I made another pair of Steel Greaves of Ubber Defence. So in two days of making Steel Greaves I have just earnt myself over half a million EL gold coins

 

So its just an up side to manufacturing , making rare items can get you a huge profit

 

Is that balanced out for the money I have spent getting to mid 50s manufacturing ? Or the money I will spend in the future ? Who knows and quite honestly who cares ?

 

Manufacturing is fun and it feels good to go training in the wepons and armor you have made yourself, also if and when you join a guild it will be good to be of some use to the people around you , being able to supply them with equipment

 

Peace and happy manuing

 

*edit* corrected a few spelling mistakes

Edited January 21, 2008 by Ateh

[Zenial]

In my opinion, there are only I few manufactured items you need to. As stated previously, leather helms are a must. However, when you go crazy and start to twitch because of the boredom of cotton harvesting. You have to options of iron shields you can sell to trik (and other light armors ) and swords used while harvesting ores. Just remember that you're best off making all bars yourself otherwise you may find yourself with less money than you started with.

Lorfy: Even if you have to harvest or do alchemy to make up to gc, I'd make it a high priority to complete all manu god quest.

Good luck.

Edited January 21, 2008 by Zenial

[nathanstenzel]

For profit in manu, I feel that one thing is certain. You have to stick to your prices that you deem profitable.

Some jerks will lie about prices and try to ruin the market in the process.

I have had someone try to call me a scammer while they were trying to claim the price of a starts medallion was a price that was actually lower than the price of a silver medallion.

While, I believe that all such trouble makers should be made pkable and sent to hell where they will be mercilessly pounded by 50 people as soon as they respawn, there is usually no easy way to tell who is a trouble maker and who got the price from a desperate person with too much of an overproduced item.

 

Stick with your profit level. If people don't want to buy it, they won't. When someone wants one bad enough and you say that you won't sell below a certain price or you would lose money, they will pay the respectful price. Have a number of items in stock. I recommend at least 10 of each item for items without rare ingredients. There is a possibility that someone will wish to purchase 100 augmented leather sets at once. I have had a couple of people ask me for such sets.

 

Bulk should not equal discount. Bulk should equal convenience fee. The less time they have to spend looking for items, the more time they can spend making money or leveling.

 

Keep notes on who gives you good tips for your products. I have a few people that have given me good tips when I was in the business of selling to players.

 

Guildmates and allies who want items will often help you set up for making them. Mixing parties with guildmates and allied guilds can be a good way to mix efficiently.

If you have the money for it, you could perhaps buy ingreds and then hire guildmates to sit and mix them for you. This could save you some money. I would recommend that you pay them the difference between the ingreds+food and the finished product. Otherwise, you may be known as a slave driver.

 

I hope this old character's two gc worth of oppinion help you out some. Good luck with the manu.

[Affliction]

I am a noob i would say at manuing. but from my experience and following the guide of a friend that is high 80's in manu.

 

the best (best meaning most cost efficient way) way to lvl manu is leather helms.. make and sell to trick.

 

a couple MUST DO'S..

 

1) manu quest on IP.

2) Manu God. ( you get more exp. + a +8 manu lvl blessing which can come in handy. im lvl 36 manu. and i regularly make a few great swords such as cutty and emerald claymore and i make steel greaves/cuisses all b/c i can get that manu blessing and btw.. never failed on one.)

3) the leather qeust. being able to buy leather in bulk from kelcha is a big nececity to saving gc's

4) make your own thread.

 

i make my own thread. buy leather from kelcha. mix a ton of leather helms (using feasting pots as food) i still make enough gc's back to buy more leather and my feasting pots.

[XenaMT]

Sorry, Jizzy, most of your post is spot-on, but at higher levels it is not feasible to make all your own thread, you'd have to harvest 100k cotton and make thread just to make one manu level - buy it at the shop and keep your sanity.

[Eternity]

And also@Jizzy, you can make the same amount of exp per gc making helms in a manu school than making and selling to trik, and it may take a slightly shorter time, I haven't tested this.

[groomsh]

Well making your own thread isn't that bad if you just harvest cotton and let someone other mix it for you (i made it this way up to lvl 72 manu).

But it all depends on how fast you want to level and how much gc are you prepared to burn.

As Zamirah said, if you don't plan to level fast, iron shields or swords made from scratch and sold to trik will give you decent exp and some profit (but it tooks quite long).

The other way around is to make leather helms at trik with your own thread (make a little profit).

If you are prepared to burn loads of gc (and by that i mean LOADS of gc), you can make leather helms in school - however i think that without manu god, it's wasting gc...

[Affliction]

Well ive lvled a bit in manu.. i admit. every once in a while i buy my thread.. but most of the time i just make it.

 

alot of the time i do the opposite of what groomsh said.. some one else (guildie/friend) will give me the cotton.. or sell it cheaply to me. and ill mix it myself.. needless to say my crafting lvl is high enough to make all the c1 rings and up to moon meds.. mostly from making thread to suport my manu.

[Nerdz]

I may be a bit late saying this, but oh well.

 

Im just starting out in manu'ing, but has anyone thought of costs? Leather costs 4.667, and thread costs 2 gc. Leather helms use 3 leathers and 4 threads which comes to a total of 22gc. You can sell leather helms to trik for 20gc, so your loosing 2gc per helm. Not Much, However it does add up over time (assuming you do another skill to cover the loss). Once you get to 28 (or a couple levels down) you can start making S2E, which seem to be the only item that is profitable. Manu pots can be used to start making S2E at level 26.

 

If my calcs are correct, by time you get to a point where you no fail at S2E (level 56 manu), and assuming a average success of 75%, you'll end up with 1.3k Hydro Bar, which is appr 27 nexus's.

 

*Yes, I know I assumed 75% success On average. In reality, I would have to use calculus to integrate the success rate vs manu level.

[Cruella]

Once you get to 28 (or a couple levels down) you can start making S2E, which seem to be the only item that is profitable. Manu pots can be used to start making S2E at level 26.

 

If my calcs are correct, by time you get to a point where you no fail at S2E (level 56 manu), and assuming a average success of 75%, you'll end up with 1.3k Hydro Bar, which is appr 27 nexus's.

 

*Yes, I know I assumed 75% success On average. In reality, I would have to use calculus to integrate the success rate vs manu level.

 

Your calculations are unfortnately wrong here. Your fail rate will be way higher on s2e's. Even at 50 manu s2e's production is profitable only when your fail astro is the best (assuming you buy steel bars, when you make them on your own and can live with loses, that's another story).

 

I'm sorry to disappoint you but there is nothing like no fail at S2E, or any other manu item actually. There is always smaller or higher chance to fail, based on your fail astro and manu level.

[boognish]

I'm sorry to disappoint you but there is nothing like no fail at S2E, or any other manu item actually.

 

fur gloves are no fail

 

around level 56 you should be about 99% with good astro. As for the ideal level to start making s2e, it depends on how rich you are. I personally would not have started at level 26, stick to leather helmets and start making s2e for points/hydro in the 40's somewhere.

[itzman]

I've been playing with the leather helm+Trik system. I wanted to be able to make stuff and needed a manu boost.

 

I had considered a manufacturing quest, but it looked expensive.

 

I've been able to tune time and cost pretty reasonably.

 

First of all, Kelcha's leather quest is almost mandatory. That brings leather down to 14gp per three leathers: that and 2gp for thread, makes the loss a mere 2gc per helm not including food..well I pick mushrooms, so that and a poison potion per 20 mushrooms, or less if you only use antidotes when absolutely necessary and make your own potions etc.

 

Thread is of course essentially free cash wise of you can be bothered to pick cotton and craft it. Tedious, but if you are broke that gets you a couple of hundred cotton in an hour for no cash outlay.

 

To save time, first of all assemble lots of thread..the fastest place to buy from a shop is VOTD. Pick the mushrooms there as well, and traders in Nordcarn sell poison antidotes too. which isn't far. If you are making thread, pop across to DP where there is a cotton field.

 

Once you have the thread and a few needles, take the boat to Portland and walk to Morcraven Marsh, and buy leather from Kelcha there. I must stress that if you are making 500 helmets, this quest is MANDATORY.

 

Make the helmets at MM storage. Keep going till; you run out of something.

 

Pop back to VOTD storage, and pick up complete helms, two boat trips get you to Trik. This is the fastest way to sell, using VOTD storage and the two boats

 

I have upped two levels in about three hour's for less than 600 gp loss

 

Its tedious as heck, but if you can gain a level in a couple of hours, its worth it.

 

Eventually if you have the alch/mining skills, you can make swords and basic chain armour, which is good for cash,

 

 

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[Elgoran]

A nice summary given by itzman here.

 

I just wanted to add that you can also combine the making and selling part by mixing directly at Triks feet.

Although this will deprive you of the conveniences of mixing at sto, you'll be able to save yourself some walking time.

Since, due to the helmets not being stackable, with a decent emu you'll be able to bring food and ings for far more helmets than

prefabricated helmets. You can also combine both strategies and mix part of them at sto and then fill up your empty inventory

slots when starting a mixing session at lovely lakeside.

 

Best regards,

 

 

Elgoran.

[groomsh]

For me the best way is to do what i like most and spend all gc i get/can spare to buy leather.

While afk, harvest lots of cotton and mix lots of thread.

Do this until the #day of schools comes - then get all your saved leather + thread and mix the hell out of you in WVF manufacturing school.

Doing it this way, you "lose" gc, but because you got it while doing other things and while afk, it does not hurt

Also 3x exp pays for a lot

With manu god and bit of will, you can get ~250 exp per helm...

[Stronze]

i save all my furs fur 3x day at school and try to keep a very large stock of thread in sto.

by the time a 3x day comes, i have a very large sum of furs.

 

i also make my thread to slowly level up crafting and i dont spend a dime on manu exp.

its slower but i dont loose money

 

and its a good reason to clean out the furs from time to time

Edited April 21, 2011 by Stronze