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@ Tirun, pk profitable? I think you have 0 clue what you are talking about, please don't post crap that you don't know about kk? The only time people profit on pk is if their enemy forgets rosto, otherwise its 100% loss of ess/pots/armor/weps. You can profit from training pretty much only if you make either your own ess or pots or both(from scratch) Once you are on yeti you make decent gc, but stuffs like cyclops do not give good amount of gc for how much is spent to train.

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I am sure that you can very well sell items without having a bot. Having a bot makes it easier, but doesn't offer you a huge advantage.

 

As for the PKers stealing money, I don't understand. Care to explain?

 

People buying items from the shop then selling them for real money is a small problem. Most of those who buy them buy them for their own use. And the bars do not come from the sky, so someone rich IRL will still have to pay the bar makers, so the bar makers will get money too from it. I don't see what's the problem.

Bagjumping and non newbie scamming is legal in the game (to some extent). You don't want scammers to get your money? Don't get scammed. It's easy, really.

 

I was not referring to the advantage of being able to sell them on bots I was referring to the advantage of being able to buy them from bots. Having the money to sccop up the available bars on the market which has a large enough surplus of hydro bars that they are ending up on bots.

 

PKers stealing money? That is easy. Two players pvping in an arena wearing armor and carrying some items for pvping with them. PKer who logs in and out at the entrance to the arena pops in without warning and kills them taking everything they have. This is perfectly legal but it is still theft. Just because it is not against the rules to take someone else's stuff does not mean it changes the fact that you are taking it without their permission. Yes they did 'risk' their stuff by entering the arena but the ultimate choice of removing their belongings from them remains the PKers discretion and decision. Theft is there in a high or low risk crime neighborhood.

 

There is no problem with the system as is and I choose to avoid said players by spending most of my time on Irilion where they have fewer targets and so are less likely to be. I was simply stating that those with quick access to money will get the purchased pick points a LOT sooner than anyone else will.

 

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it was said that El doesnt have classes, and what you put into your character is what you get. If you do manu, then you do manu; nexus included. I think that creating a system where you can buy your way to the top is going to hurt overall gameplay.

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w00t I got leather torso from someone pvp at kf, I go buy a nexus now!

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I like the idea but I see one possible drawback. Whilst you say that hydro bars and ores wont be purchased thru the shop, the s2e themselves still can, which basically takes out half the difficulty in obtaining the end product of a hydro bar.

 

If I might suggest removing s2e from the shop, to ensure this possible problem is avoided?

???????

Meaning it takes a long while to get a large amount of s2e made up, even for a team effort. but someone buying a ton of them from the shop can have cut out half the time it takes to get the hydro bars (from ingredients gathering to final end product).

 

Whilst the way to gather the hydro IS hard, it is only PART of the difficulty involved in amassing large amounts of it, which keps hydro rare in terms of time consumption, as much as the path to the ore does in terms of navigability. No doubt the comeback at the moment is that no one has yet bought huge amounts of s2e from the shop so you dont forsee this as being a problem BUT..is it not possible that the s2e WILL be purchased in large amounts to circumvent having to spend the time to mass produce the swords and simply wait for a peace day to go and harvest on?

 

Or i could be talking complete bollox.

 

too tired to think so please forigve me if i have neglectfully overlooked teh obvious in my post here.

 

*Smooms: It still requires someone somewhere having mass amounts of the s2e around in order for the trade to go thru. This may happen in teh first few weeks but after that, the s2e will be much harder to acquire, since they will be highly sought after at that point, and the time factor to keep up with teh demand will outweigh the supply imo, meaning it will quickly become impossible to buy s2e from the market if this goes thru.

 

Thats why I suggest stopping s2e from being sold, merely to preserve the hydro as radu wanted it kept; rare as an honest politician.

 

 

****EDITED GRAMMAR

Edited by Pyewacket

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Meaning it takes a long while to get a large amount of s2e made up, even for a team effort. but someone buying a ton of them from the shop can have cut out half the time it takes to get the hydro bars (from ingredients gathering to final end product).

 

Rich people cna go at Walmart and buy a thank then go and kill people they don't like.

 

Can someone point out the innacuracy in those quotes?

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Having to do QUESTS to get nexuses would be nice ... >.>

Dont see myself ever having 50 hydro bars ... unless i pay real money :P

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Meaning it takes a long while to get a large amount of s2e made up, even for a team effort. but someone buying a ton of them from the shop can have cut out half the time it takes to get the hydro bars (from ingredients gathering to final end product).

 

Rich people cna go at Walmart and buy a thank then go and kill people they don't like.

 

Can someone point out the innacuracy in those quotes?

 

Spotted it. I missed a capital B on teh start of my second sentence

 

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i liked the pipers idea of 2 randomly dropped nexus stones or w/e.

 

once a month, lotto.

 

would be better i think; than buying off with bars.

 

at least with the "lotto system" it keeps these almost unfair advantages to a dull roar. instead of flooding the richer EL community with godlike stats.

 

and i know that hydro bars arnt easy to make, but if it were put in that hydro bars could give you more stats, than im 100% sure that they would be mass produced and players who could afford them, would never have to work the countless hours for an oa ever agian.!.!.!.!.!.!.!.!

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lotto seems a bit unfair to me, people get a free pp for doing nothing?

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I voted no just based on the fact that it might not be to fair for ppl who alrdy have 110+ oa and have spent a massive amount of pp's on nex first to make the items so they can train a/d. Personally i probally wouldnt use this feature if implemented b/c i dont plan on getting any nex other than human. If i can stick it out another 10a/d ill be able to train on yeti and make all teh gc i need to buy w/e i want (mostly items for training and pk). As for profit from pk, there just is non. Even if ur lucky to get a drop from some1 who forgets rosto the money u need to put into pk now adays is much greater. You need top armor/weapons, an insane amount of red capes since they break so easily ( and yes u do need these capes b/c ppl are branching like crazy), essences, rings, potions, etc. If this feature is implemented i rly wouldnt see why ppl would use it. If its ment for top lvl fighters who alrdy have high oa why would they want to buy nex. For what, to make items? Most of these ppl alrdy have the gc to buy everything they need from training on yetis, artics, and maybe eventually giants. Yes, i know some ppl like to manu, alch, ect just for the inprovement of their char, but as i c it the ppl who would benefit from this feature ( the fighters with high oa's) dont want to sit at sto all day and mix, they train hard for a reason, to pk. All in all i dont think it will hurt the game at all, just upset some ppl who have alrdy put alot of pp on nex based on teh fact that this feature would never exist.

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i voted no. i have my char over a year and made a plan about puting pps to nexus i need then after leveling a/d put some other to p/c. so why should i suffer for this. why not selling p/c. everone choose their own way and now you say mine's wrong. how could i know you would change such a critical part of the game?

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I voted yes, because if someone want to get a nexus by trading for 50 hydro bars, there will be lots of players that will be involved in all the process, like was stated here for many people.

 

This will be good for market.

I would say no if the tax was not reasonably, but 50 hydro wont allow abuse on this feature.

 

Edit: typo

Edited by Vormavius

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Meaning it takes a long while to get a large amount of s2e made up, even for a team effort. but someone buying a ton of them from the shop can have cut out half the time it takes to get the hydro bars (from ingredients gathering to final end product).

 

Rich people cna go at Walmart and buy a thank then go and kill people they don't like.

 

Can someone point out the innacuracy in those quotes?

 

regular S2Es are not sold at the shop... if you spend a fortune on magic ones to degrade them and then *HOPE* that Tankel can repair them for use, you should seek professional help :hug:

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Besides, no one has all the nexuses they want to have
oh really? which ones do I want more of? none of them, actually.

I made it to a high level (now > OA100 ) and have all the nexus I need for everything except high level summoning (which is expensive and since I rarely fight, I don't care that I can't do it), the high level potions (again, I don't need them, if I did, I could buy them... I'm having trouble trying to sell the high level potions I have now), and human 7 weapons, which means thermal serp, last I knew (and yeah, I don't need that either)

if I did want the nexus to use thermal serp, make giant stones, and new potions, I could use a max of 6 more nexus.

I read what was said about advantages for those with extra nexus, but unless that's a big advantage, I doubt that anyone except specialists will make much use of it (higher than max item, anyway, people making leather kit to level when they have arti 6 will still make use of it of course)

add to this that I'm a generalist. apart from summoning at 26, my lowest skill is 52 (attack). for specialists, this idea has even less use, since they have a limited need for nexii. I doubt I'm the only one who doesn't and won't need more until the system (not player desires) changes.

now... would I like to get some PP back from nexus, and replace it with hydro bars? sure I would. I'd be able to afford to get a few like this, too; I've had a lot of hydro bars.

but a reset, and many months or a year until I get back to where I was? no thanks. #reset doesn't count here, it's not a good solution for the high level players, only low to medium, who aren't in need of more nexus yet anyway.

in my opinion, buying nexus through in-game activity, whether it be hydro bars, quests, or something else, is a good idea, as long as it applies to all equally... and with the current proposal, I think it's seriously slanted against those who have already worked hard to get their current nexus; the oldbies who have spent a lot of time helping EL (well, some haven't, but many have).

I'm against the current implementation plan

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As you know, EL was designed to be a classless game. That is, everyone can do whatever they want, without having the game restricting your activity (that is, assuming you have infinite time, you can be good in all the skills equally).

But as you might also know, the nexuses restrict this, because if you have all the nexuses necesary tt manufacture, summon and wear everything, you'll have a weak character from the combat point of view. And viceversa.

 

One other problem is that high level players (OA over 120) have to work weeks for just another pick point. And eventually, there comes a time when it takes forever to wait for the next PP.

 

So what I plan to do is allow players to buy nexuses. They will be buyable for hydrogenium bars. Each nexus, 50 hydrogenium bars.

And no, we will not sell hydrogenium bars or ore from the shop, to make it fair for everyone.

It's pretty expensive, but anything cheaper would make it too easy, and anything more expensive would not motivate the players to do it.

 

Since the hydrogenium bars are hard to make, it will also limit the number of PPs introduced this way in the game.

The hydrogenium bars are also a cooperative effort between harvesters, alchemists, manufacturers (to some extent), potioners (for the potion of invisibility), PKers, crafters (for the rings), summoners (for protection against the PKers), and mages (invisibility, true sight).

 

So what do we think about it? (this is for my information only, it will not likely affect the implementation of this feature).

 

I wonder who is the moron who voted 30 seconds after I posted? He couldn't have read it in that time interval.

so basically it is 500k a pp give or take a few k?

hmmmm not a bad idea also i didint have time to read all this did you anwser if we can spend the pp as we like or is it nexus only?

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im still not sure what to vote, i like the idea but for ppl like the above id like to see it so that they can get the hydro bars and give them to you and replace the nexus they used PP for with the Hydro Nexi point, mabey total them all up (max NEEDED for each skill, which is 35 i just added them all up) and thats the most PP u can gain in the hydro bar fasion.

 

this idea seems fair to me and will benifit anyone and everyone who choses to use it.

 

edit for mufossa: its Nexus only, as ent stated earlier

Edited by Happy_G

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oh really? which ones do I want more of? none of them, actually.

I hope you realize that no one is going to force you to get any nexus.

If you have them all, and you don't PK or summon, you should be a happy guy. For all the rest, there is masterc.. umm, the hydrogenium bars.

Besides, the game is not done, there will always be new things to do, and higher nexuses required.

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Entropy: "If you have them all, and you don't PK or summon, you should be a happy guy. For all the rest, there is masterc.. umm, the hydrogenium bars."

 

Lol. Are you trying to get them riled up :hug:

Edited by LevinMage

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I would like to PK, but can't because I spent 23 pp on nexus.

It mean, with level 114 oa do I still have low coord even if my a/d is high. Not a big problem for training monsters, but for PK.

I'm on top 20 both manu and crafting - alc too, and can make all items in game. Don't need nexus.

Reset 3 times and don't want nexus for summon and potion, have tried, I find it boring.

I could reset but to get to oa 114 again would take months.

And if only 10 nexus can be bought would I still have to spend 13 pp on nexus.

So what should I do ? If people buy nexus would armor and rings be harder to sell.

It mean I would only make few high level items - a slow way to get oa.

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OK, I have read the thread up til now and have an idea:

 

For new nexus: 50 Hydrogenium bars

 

To get a pickpoint back from an already spent nexus without losing it: 75 Hydrogenium bars

 

That would, I think, help to balance it out for people that regretted spending nexus without forcing reset. While also not allowing for an advantage to people that spent alot of nexus and were able to do alot of things and then get pp back.

 

Just my 2cents, I voted no btw.

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