The Great Discourse

[Quinticus]

Hi guys I thought i would post something up about the meeting i would like to have about the history of Seridia and the rest of EL. I'm hoping to have it at the end of April. I would have it earlier but there are somethings i would like to get in order before hand. I would also like to give Chariste some time to catch this thread so she can be aware of the meeting since she's forum leader. I'm hoping for a little more interaction with her soon.

 

 

Please glance over the following threads if you haven't already to give you a general idea of what will be talked about. Also the pinned threads are always good to take a good look at.

 

http://www.eternal-lands.com/forum/index.p...1&st=&p=entry

 

http://www.eternal-lands.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=8598

 

http://www.eternal-lands.com/forum/index.p...1&st=&p=entry

 

http://www.eternal-lands.com/forum/index.p...1&st=&p=entry

 

It will be held around 7-9 pm EST. time. If there are any questions or concerns please post them here, i will be happy to acclimate to schedules if possible.

 

Please pin thread until the May 1.

 

Thanks,

 

Q

[Roja]

I think I will be able to make this meeting, hopefully

[Quinticus]

Glad to hear Roja . Your imput is important. It will be good to have a developers thoughts on the issue.

[Pocal]

i hopefully can make it, got an exam on the 26th, otherwise i should be good to make it.

[Lyanna]

I can't be in the game that time, due to various reasons, but don't forget to post chat logs afterwards! I want to read everything.

 

A couple of things to remember: you have to decide how much Irilion and Seridian history affect each other. Are they connected already? Were they separated, and then made contact at some point in the past? Or was it just in recent times that Irilion and "the lost races" were discovered?

 

-Lyn-

Edited April 26, 2005 by Lyanna

[Quinticus]

Thanks for the suggestion, i have been pondering that for sometime. It was on my list of things to figure out before the meeting. Your input is important as well so i'll be sure to post the logs for you.

 

Also pocal it won't be on the 26th so you can attend. :lol:

[crusadingknight]

I'll be there

[Quinticus]

I have finally had time to review my schedule so i could come up with a time for an ingame meeting.

 

April 28th at 4:00 pm EST US time I will be holding a meeting to discuss the history of Seridia. Also some discussion will be about the second continent (perhaps Roja might be able to furnish a picture or something on it...not sure if it's allowed to be released yet). The channel number will be #412. I would like to ask a mod to volunteer to be there in case someone decides to crash the meeting and go off topic.

 

If this doesn't work for anyone, please let me know. Chances are there will be a couple of meetings.

 

Also please see the threads linked in the first post of this thread. I hope for a good turn out and a productive discussion.

 

Thanks,

 

Quinticus

Edited April 27, 2005 by Quinticus

[Pocal]

I can't make it. Just post a chatlog and i'll be happy. I'm moving in that day, so less i do it fast, im outta luck. have a good one.

[Quinticus]

[Quinticus]: OK lets get on topic, History

[Helldragon]: wel, like u need to donate to be a dragonai

[holyflame3]: i wudnt mind paying to play if i get a cool char

[Grum]: let's get on topic

(much off topic chatter)

[Quinticus]: some time ago (late last year) there were some fact files place on the forums for the world and various towns and such

(more off topic chatter)

[Quinticus]: hold on

(once again off topic)

[Quinticus]: lets start basic, please, first we need to determine how old the world is

[Helldragon]: 1000 years

[Henry_kay]: no, a lot older

[Helldragon]: 10000000 years

[Gasp0dE]: too young

[Alderan]: 1000

[crocop]: it is a antient continent of atlantida

[Henry_kay]: 20000-30000 at least

[Helldragon]: 5400000000000

[Quinticus]: 1000 years is too short, takes billions of years for life to develope

[seanodonnell]: who knows, have an age you believe it to be... give yourself some wriggle room for the future

[holyflame3]: maybe it was about a rare sword that a dwarf stole from the 2nd continent to get loads of money so he takes it but realizes its power and becomes greedy and

[Alderan]: that is IF you believe in evolution...

[Helldragon]: how old is the dame?

[Quinticus]: exactly alderan!

[Helldragon]: game?

[Helldragon]: how old is this game???

[Grum]: ~ 3 years

[Henry_kay]: but it doesn matter how old is the world...

[Henry_kay]: old enough

[Alderan]: exactly what... lol

[Helldragon]: then 3000000 years

[Gasp0dE]: you don't have to determine how old the world is, just that it is OLD

[Quinticus]: no one can record the beginning of time...so it has to be approximate

[seanodonnell]: the more interesting questino if how old is recorded history in this world

[Quinticus]: i was getting to that sean

[Helldragon]: thats prettty approximate cuz it wouldnt be exactly 3000000 years old

[Alderan]: i would start to argue quiticus, but i think i would be booted if i started preaching

[Grum]: yes, for off-topic

[Quinticus]: ok then, lets do it this way: Creation theory or Evolution theory

[holyflame3]: shudnt we be starting from the very beggining of the world

[Helldragon]: ok...main topic of its "history"

[Quinticus]: ?

[seanodonnell]: war between the gods

[Helldragon]: was there a war?

[seanodonnell]: their could be gods we have not heard of previously

[holyflame3]: yea war and gods i like that idea

[Helldragon]: or sumthing

[Alderan]: each race should be created my a certain god or something...

(much off topic about wars and gods)

[Glug]: There are gods in the game, suggests creationism.

[Quinticus]: there are 9 main gods right now, and lesser known gods

(more war stuff)

[Glug]: They could add and take away features of man accordingly.

[Henry_kay]: at least temporarely

[Quinticus]: henry, enough about wars and borders

[Helldragon]: and the gods left

[Glug]: As rewards or punishments

[Henry_kay]: ok sorry

[seanodonnell]: the eldar gods left a sandwich in a press and forgot about it, it fermented and grew mouldy over the eons, and eventually became the world as we know it

[holyflame3]: but if there was a war there shud still be enemys so wudnt it meen they are still sealed?

[Quinticus]: it's ok, holy same for you

[Henry_kay]:

[Alderan]: lol

[Quinticus]: we're on CREATION/beginning of recorded history

[holyflame3]: im leaving...

[seanodonnell]: when it came time to clean up the kitchen , the gods discovered their accidental creation and where intriqued

[Helldragon]: well, then creation counts for EVERYTHING in el?

[Alderan]: how bout each god made a different race?

[Henry_kay]: in the beginning there were 2 gods

[Henry_kay]: the god of sun and the god of moon

[Helldragon]: there isnt 9 races tho

[Quinticus]: originally it was that way alderan

[Henry_kay]: and for some reason, they created the galaxies

[seanodonnell]: but the gods where greedy and each claimed the sandwich mould world as their own, and began to scheme and plot to hold sole dominion over its small grubby

[Glug]: Sounds good.  Including animals, monsters and vegetables.

[seanodonnell]: inhabitents

[Quinticus]: hows about this

[Helldragon]: sry gotta leave

[Quinticus]: there's one higher god Entropy he's the unseen force that created existance and the world

[Grum]: i want a godess too, then

[turtleman]: yeah, i think ent should be in this

[Alderan]: well, maybe the "evil" gods made the more evil races, such as orchains (or whatever they're called)

[Quinticus]: he placed other gods/godesses to be stewards of the planet draia

[PM from Helldragon: ask them questions like these: how did the world be created? who created it, whjat other gods created it, and start from there]

[Alderan]: and the "good" gods made the elves, and so on

[Lord_Vermor]: Hey all.

[seanodonnell]: evil gods?good gods? gods with gender? The true nature of the gods is unknowable!

[Grum]: hey LV. again...

[Quinticus]: not necessarily sean

[Alderan]: mortos is obviously eil...

[Alderan]: evil*

[PM from Helldragon: thats how u get the ideas out of em]

[holyflame3]: dwarves make dwarves evil!

[Quinticus]: gods do not have to be a certain alignment

[Lord_Vermor]: Technically this game does not have to follow the typical rules.

[turtleman]: ent can be the neutral god, quietly superior to all the other gods

[PM to Grum: warn holy plz]

[PM from Grum: kk]

[Alderan]: yeah, there could be neutrol gods or something, and they created dwarves and gnomes

[Lord_Vermor]: Sometimes its better to break off and do your own thing

[Quinticus]: i was thinking Entropy is the higher power, he created the game

[Quinticus]: thus the world and other, lesser gods

[turtleman]: wait, we could have different people write different histories...and have the different histories be different religions!

[Quinticus]: Ok?

[Lord_Vermor]: According to the EL history, the races were created by Aluwen (ALL races) and the monsters were created by Mortos

[Alderan]: ok

[Lord_Vermor]: quint, have u read mythos yet?

[Helldragon]: TOO MUCH COMPROMISE AND ARGUING. More suggestions, and put em together, ask simple questions, and make a web of ideas to fit the history.

[Quinticus]: not entirely true LV, there's other storys out there where selain had a hand in corrupting beings into monsters

[seanodonnell]: or so we believe , the occupants of a new continent might tell a different conflicting tale

[Quinticus]: yes i have LV

[holyflame3]: i dont understand

[turtleman]: i like that sean

[Lord_Vermor]: Ya, good idea but rewriting stories may be alot of work

[Quinticus]: they could sean, but that would get confusing to have multiple histories

[Lord_Vermor]: However, it would be cool because it could be like ROman and Greek mythology

[turtleman]: i think it would be really cool

[Quinticus]: perhaps a main history line with more local diluted variations

[seanodonnell]: everything has multiple histories, just read a japanese and a us text book about world war II

[seanodonnell]: its one history with 2 different perspectives

[Grum]: i like that

[Quinticus]: i agree, but don't you think it would get confusing?

[turtleman]: yeah, thats the point!

[Grum]: no, it's everywhere in the game

[Glug]: Yes.  But then there would be debates about it.

[turtleman]: it should be confusing, that makes it way more interesting

[seanodonnell]: not really, more like intriqueing, you can write a bunch of quests that take you closer and closer to the truth, rather than the 2 versions of the story

[seanodonnell]: preached by the various gods

[Helldragon]: i like that idea

[seanodonnell]: what is the true history of el, what more could you want to base quests upon

[seanodonnell]: think da vinci code but larger

[Helldragon]: but its sorta not wrth to do so much work just know some history

[turtleman]: maybe each god should have a different story

[Quinticus]: i agree, but there were some mod's that were against the variation

[seanodonnell]: its just a suggestion

[Quinticus]: originally i thought it would be a good idea to have different names for races, but the gods would be the same

[Grum]: i think multiple perspectives are a good idea

[Quinticus]: however we can split it between continents

[holyflame3]: maybe sum1 dies

[Lord_Vermor]: I disagree quint, i think names for races should stay but different names for gods would be better

[Quinticus]: thats what i meant LV sorry wasn't clear

[Alderan]: yeah, or are the gods supposed to be completely immortal?

[Lord_Vermor]: lol oops

[turtleman]: yeah, maybe all the gods on each continent can have stories that vary slightly from eachother, and the two continents have 2 different stories

[Quinticus]: there is a god that "got lost" kind of

[turtleman]: with subtle similarities

[Quinticus]: i agree turtleman

[Grum]: blocking...i've heard this befoe

[Lord_Vermor]: cool idea

[PM from Lord_Vermor: btw, they want god quests rewritten and I was going to take on the task but I think you may be better at it ]

[PM to Lord_Vermor: ok i'll look at it]

[seanodonnell]: or maybe the chief god became weary of the squabbling of his children, and dissapeared , and know one knows where to.

[PM from Lord_Vermor: talk to roja about it]

[Quinticus]: i appreciate your willingness to help!

[Quinticus]: i like that idea sean

[Quinticus]: ent did leave developing the game for a bit because of the outcry from players

[Alderan]: yeah, didnt ent quit or somethin?

[Grum]: no, he just quit programming

[Quinticus]: its close enough to quitting

[Quinticus]: for storylines sake

[Lord_Vermor]: but lets get back to the topic

[Alderan]: ok

[Quinticus]: so we have 1 god who makes other gods and those gods have different names based on the continent you are on

[Quinticus]: when i say gods i am referring to both male and female

[Quinticus]: agree?

[Alderan]: mortos is male, and all evil. aluwen is femalee and all good. i dont really like that

[Quinticus]: oh lol

[Quinticus]: i agree

[Grum]: maybe make gods more human, sometimes good, sometimes evil

[Quinticus]: they shouldn't be one way or the other, not black or white

[Quinticus]: but shades of grey...however, they have tendancie to lean toward a darker or lighter shade

[Lord_Vermor]: Umm I kinda like the idea of one PURE good and one PURE evil

[turtleman]: yeah, and maybe they're male some of the time, and female some of the time

[Quinticus]: pardon my typos

[Lord_Vermor]: like the mortos and aluwen thing

[Lord_Vermor]: but the other gods could be grey

[Grum]: i don't

[Quinticus]: you don't what grum?

[Grum]: like pure good and evil gods

[Glug]: Everyone talks aboyt aluwen and mortos..  make them less central.

[Grum]: i like the Greek or Nordic gods, almighty so they do what pleases them

[Quinticus]: that's why i mention the tendancy to go one way or the other, Aluwen goes good more often, and mortos gos bad

(for turtleman’s sake, I deleted the entropy comment , that and it was off topic)

[Quinticus]: glug is right, everything is aluwen and mortos

[seanodonnell]: if the gods had specific beliefs (e.g. one preaches the divine right of kinds to rule, one more democratic) and then the perception of wheather a particular

[seanodonnell]: god is good or evil comes from the players

[Quinticus]: that would be hard to keep up with, though sean

[seanodonnell]: true, but saying a god is good, when you can never get 2 people to agree on what that is , is a bit daft

[Quinticus]: i think it would be better to keep it as is, as far as each god has a field they specialize in (i.e. glillin god of crafting)

[Alderan]: to much lag, gotta relog. brb

[Glug]: Glilin is Manu.  Glydoc crafts.

[seanodonnell]: it doesnt mean thats the beginning and end of their beliefs

[Glug]: Although Glydoc used to be combat skill.

[Quinticus]: so each god selfishly involves themselves in their specialty

[Quinticus]: but they do get involved with each other because they are vying for worshipers

[Quinticus]: this will keep aluwen in all things life and mortos in all things destructive

[Quinticus]: yet creates conflict between them all

[Quinticus]: so aluwen = MORE (but not all) good and mortos = MORE (but not all) evil

[Glug]: I just remembered the Glillin and Unolas were both mortals once.

[Quinticus]: yes, but the ascended to a higher plane to godhood (which i think we still need a story for)

[Quinticus]: holy you're off topic

[Quinticus]: so whats the concensus on that?

[Quinticus]: where are we at with gods and their aligment?

(edited a bunch of off topic and a kick)

[Quinticus]: how are we going to solve the problem of creation of races

[Quinticus]: thanks

[Lord_Vermor]: Well in mythos, I like the way chariste made it

[Alderan]: and how was that?

[Glug]: Punisments for goiung against religion Gnomes are made squat.

[Lord_Vermor]: but I wouldnt mind seeing each god make a race

[Glug]: Because of science or something.

[Lord_Vermor]: incuding the extinict ones

[Quinticus]: i wouldn't mind that either LV

[Alderan]: thats what i was saying earlyer...

[Lord_Vermor]: I know

[Quinticus]: perhaps not a creation, but more of an influence?

[Lord_Vermor]: But I just reiterated it

[Alderan]: lol

[Lord_Vermor]: Liek aluwen created them but each god kinda, helped designed? a specific one

[Glug]: Yes.  Also gods for animals and plants?

[Quinticus]: yes

[Lord_Vermor]: and monsters

[Quinticus]: or more like in the beginning elvs were a main race, but after other gods came in and influenced them into other beings over time

[Quinticus]: durring the unrecorded history

[Alderan]: that could work

[Lord_Vermor]: I thought dragons were first

[Alderan]: but draigoni came from dragons, not elves

[Quinticus]: i haven't been to sure of that since the original author of them is gone

[Lord_Vermor]: Not really

[Glug]: Dragons can be EL's dinosaurs.

[Quinticus]: glug dragons (ATM) are EL's dinosaurs

[Lord_Vermor]: Dragons didnt turn into draegoni but only have influence somehow

[Lord_Vermor]: Like Orchans arent orcs.

[Quinticus]: as i understand it, they became a mix of man/elf and dragon

[Glug]: Draegoni look like upgraded elves anyway.

[Quinticus]: plus there's the old dragon gods

[seanodonnell]: a dragon and an elf got really drunk...

[Quinticus]: to think about

[Quinticus]: lol

[Lord_Vermor]: LOL

[Alderan]: rofl

[Lord_Vermor]: and them Grum walked along...

[Glug]: Orchans are upgraded humans maybe?

[Lord_Vermor]: *then

[Quinticus]: not upgrades, but a separate equal

[Alderan]: maybe they are tall gnomes?

[Quinticus]: each race has it's pluses and minuses

[Quinticus]: so how do we solve this problem?

[Alderan]: dwarves minuses are gnomes, dwarves pluses are humans.

[Alderan]: that might work..

[Quinticus]: it's obvious that dragons are part of EL histories

[Quinticus]: alderan dwarves are equal to gnomes which are equal to humans

[Quinticus]: all equal but all have advantages and disadvatages over the others

[Alderan]: o crp, pressesd the wrong butten and exited

[Alderan]: crap*

[Alderan]: it was just an idea wuint

[Alderan]: quint*

[Quinticus]: yup but perhaps the gnomes and humans spread off from dwarves, which spread off from elves

[Quinticus]: so we can work that idea in?

[Alderan]: that would work

[Lord_Vermor]: maybe have each race made by the traiths of gods?

[Lord_Vermor]: *traits

[Quinticus]: made or influenced?

[Lord_Vermor]: Like gnomes created from the urge to learn

[Quinticus]: both are viable

[Alderan]: but thats exactly what i was saying quint

[Lord_Vermor]: or urge for knowledge

[Quinticus]: LV are you saying they broke away from dwarves because of their urge to learn?

[Quinticus]: or that they were created for their urge to learn?

[Lord_Vermor]: No, im saying maybe thats how gods created each separate race

[Quinticus]: ok, just wanted to understand

[Alderan]: so orchains were created from the urge to smash things?

[Lord_Vermor]: Well how about for the gods courage

[Alderan]: that works

[seanodonnell]: how about having all of the races originally bred for slaves

[seanodonnell]: their traits reflect the work they where originally designed to do

[Quinticus]: maybe from the god Glydoc (god of combat) with the inheirent instict for honor and courage?

[Lord_Vermor]: Yes

[Alderan]: thats good

[Quinticus]: that's an idea too...but slaves to whom? and for what?

[Quinticus]: gods already have all they want

[seanodonnell]: demi gods

[Alderan]: what if gods want slaves?

[Lord_Vermor]: Now that goes into a whole new thing, minor gods

[Alderan]: like mortls who became gods

[Lord_Vermor]: which I would also like to have but we should get major gods done

[Alderan]: mortals*

[Quinticus]: so Zarin the god of freedom and beauty wants slaves?

[Alderan]: lol

[Alderan]: ok, nevermind

[Quinticus]: lol

[Quinticus]: so perhaps Entropy (Teh God) greated dragons, then each major god took from dragons to create their own race influencing them with inherent instincts

[Quinticus]: that make each race individual?

[Lord_Vermor]: So something like this: Gnomes: Knowledge, Orchans: Courage, what about the others

[Alderan]: thats a good idea

[Lord_Vermor]: Good quint

[Alderan]: elves: wisdom

[Quinticus]: Dwarves: industry/craftsmanship?

[Lord_Vermor]: well since wisdom and knowledge kinda go together

[pennifuin]: dwarves should be mining/industry

[Alderan]: humans... stupidity?

[Lord_Vermor]: How about for gnomes: Curiosity

[Quinticus]: not exactly LV

[Glug]: Humans: None of the above

[Ciara]: Lyanna had mentioned before about elves that they focus on "preserving"

[Ciara]: mainly life.. dunno

[Lord_Vermor]: Or like inventive...

[pennifuin]: good point ciara

[Ciara]: and sorry to just come in and start rambling, I missed the start of the discussion :S

[Lord_Vermor]: i dont know the word I really want

[Quinticus]: it's ok ciara

[Ciara]: creative?

[Lord_Vermor]: Gnomes are into technology and creating new ideas...what word would describe that

[pennifuin]: lv, do you eman like constantly searching for knowledge?

[Ciara]: creativity?

[burnout]: inventive

[Ciara]: or is that too.. hmm..

[Quinticus]: yes, for gnomes inventiveness brough about by creativity

[Lord_Vermor]: Inventive is what I said but would that work?

[pennifuin]: hmm...

[Lord_Vermor]: Ok, sounds cool

[Ciara]: I think creative sounds nice but I'm not sure if it fits

[Quinticus]: which stems from their currious demeanors

[Quinticus]: sorry bad spelling

[Quinticus]: ok creative works

[Lord_Vermor]: Ok so elves are what?

[Ciara]: preserving? is what lyanna said awhile ago

[Lord_Vermor]: preserving and what?

[Alderan]: like i sais, wisdom

[Lord_Vermor]: wisdom, yes

[Lord_Vermor]: Gnomes, I like ur idea quint

[Quinticus]:

[Lord_Vermor]: Ok,,,humans and draegoni

[Lord_Vermor]: Everytime i think of draegoni, the word mysticism comes to mind but I dont know if that would work

[Quinticus]: humans...difficult to think of

[Ciara]: yeah, the same thing comes to my mind

[Ciara]: like very.. fairytalish

[Alderan]: draegoni could be magic maybe?

[Lord_Vermor]: And it seems they would concentrate on the past

[Quinticus]: well they are supposed to be a reclusive breed

[Quinticus]: they are heavy in magic

[PM from Lord_Vermor: oh and if you want me to shut up, just say ]

[Quinticus]: perhaps they just focus on survival since they are the closest thing to surviving dragons

[Quinticus]: ?

[PM to Lord_Vermor: no you're helping a lot ]

[Quinticus]: i dunno, more ideas?

[Lord_Vermor]: Ok then that leves humans

[Ciara]: how boring to describe

[Glug]: Organisation

[Quinticus]: chivalry

[Ciara]: boringness

[Alderan]: lol

[Lord_Vermor]: Well remember they have the ability to do whatever they want

[Glug]: innocence

[Alderan]: freedom?

[Lord_Vermor]: Yes

[Lord_Vermor]: Freedom sounds good IMO

(small off topic deleted)

[Quinticus]: i wouldn't say freedom...humans are to corruptable

[Ciara]: true..

[Alderan]: true..

[Ciara]: for some reason it doesn't sound right to me

[Alderan]: but they have the freedom to do what they want

[Lord_Vermor]: modable

[Quinticus]: so do the other races

[Quinticus]: good idea LV

[Quinticus]: only betterment...they focus on the betterment of themselves, but are prone to failing

[Glug]: Yes.  That's better.

[Alderan]: arrogent

[Ciara]: yeah

[Lord_Vermor]: Yes, good quint

[Quinticus]: they search for freedom, but fall becuase of their corruptable nature

[Quinticus]: hows that? that fits it all in

[Alderan]: that works

[Quinticus]: thus they have thier system of kings and lords

(small off topic about writing people into EL history)

[Grum]:  <breaks in> bit off-topic: you guys need to write books. lots of books, before the new client update <goed back to lurking>

(much random off topic)

[Quinticus]: so we have every race and their inherient instincts

[pennifuin]: im abck

[pennifuin]: whats new

[Lord_Vermor]: Yes but you have to determine which instincts go with each god

[Quinticus]: except dragons...then we have to do gods

[Lord_Vermor]: dragons...freedom could describe them

[Quinticus]: dragons are normally viewed as greedy, but also there is the honorable view to them

[pennifuin]: noble

[Lord_Vermor]: Depends on your type of draon

[Lord_Vermor]: *dragon

[Quinticus]: inded pennifuin, good point

[pennifuin]: noble is a very good word to describe dragon-nature

[Quinticus]: so we have freedom, honor, nobility

[Quinticus]: i like them all

[Lord_Vermor]: and greed

[Lord_Vermor]: Maybe dragons could be like a trait from each god?

[pennifuin]: honour is infered with noble

[Lord_Vermor]: being the first race (if thats what you choose to do?)

[Quinticus]: yeah! LV!

[Lord_Vermor]: *hides*

[Ciara]: what does the storyline say now as to the orgin of life?

[Quinticus]: i always thought honor is a code of conduct, and noble is a stature

[Ciara]: did'nt aluwen create everything or something? Or am I imagining that?

[pennifuin]: hmm but one is essentially bound to the other

[Lord_Vermor]: Well storylines can be changed

[Quinticus]: no they had her as the original creator

[Lord_Vermor]: Nothing is set in stone

[Ciara]:

[Quinticus]: but we need Entropy in there

[Lord_Vermor]: Agreed

[Quinticus]: so he's Teh God, who created dragons and the elder gods

[Ciara]: o.O

[Lord_Vermor]: or he just created the world and the eler gods

[pennifuin]: the elder gods being aluwen wtc?

[pennifuin]: etc*?

[Alderan]: brb, gonna change to my other char

[Lord_Vermor]: and the elder gods created dragons but then chose to make a race in their likeness?

[Quinticus]: the greater gods is probably a better way to put it

[pennifuin]: yeah, greater and lesser

[Ciara]: which would be aluwen and mortos, I guess

[Ciara]: 2 main ones

[Lord_Vermor]: no, all gods has equal greatness ciara

[Ciara]: oh

[Quinticus]: i dunno ciara that would focus more on aluwen and mortos, we're trying NOT to do that

[Quinticus]: i think we have the current 9 greater gods, then local lesser gods

[pennifuin]: so who are the local and who are the greater?

[pennifuin]: greater gods being the skill gods?

[pennifuin]: and who are the local gods?

[Lord_Vermor]: ones not made yet

[Quinticus]: that's where the writers come in, we need local lesser gods

[pennifuin]: ah, i quite like the theology set by the 'past' quest, that they are not gods, jsut beings with powers as it were

[Lord_Vermor]: We could always make a quest where local lesser gods come in play but dont really have power like the greater gods

[seanodonnell]: you know , a history designed by commitee is bound to suck in the end

[pennifuin]: true

[seanodonnell]: might be better off running a competition

[pennifuin]: we need one scribe

[seanodonnell]: best short story on the origins wins

[pennifuin]: to pick and choose through the titbids of info

[Assasin1]: what about the name of the game... i men, the old story line was that we were all ghosts, but how does the name fit in now?

[Lord_Vermor]: I kinda like a group history made and one person put all ideas together

[Assasin1]: but what about the name?

[pennifuin]: i think it would be better, if diferent people wrote diferent parts of the book, like chronicling the history

[pennifuin]: dont laugh, but a bit like the bible

[pennifuin]: the book of pennifuin, chapter 12 verse iii

[Quinticus]: i think a group history is better as well

[Quinticus]: HOWEVER i think it should be based on multiple people's ideas

[Quinticus]: well the competition won't be for history, but something else (undetermined)

[Quinticus]: so perhaps we break off the history into ages, and certain people write in each age?

[Ciara]: of course various people should have input, but if a bunch of ideas are randomly smashed together through voting

[Ciara]: bad

[pennifuin]: tahts what put a halt to the thought train assasin

[seanodonnell]: it fits just fine, mortos is still imprisoned, so nothing ever dies, hence eternal lands

[Quinticus]: the history should be vague

[seanodonnell]: or at least the public version

[Ciara]: I thought "eternal lands" came from the fact that Mortos cursed everything so it wouldn't die, just keep respawning?

[Quinticus]:  exactly sean

[pennifuin]: ciara hit the nail on the head i though

[seanodonnell]: yip

[pennifuin]: so what are we talking about again?

[Quinticus]: yes

[seanodonnell]: why?

[Ciara]: about mortos cursing everything.. I remember reading that, too.. I guess it's undergone many changes

[Grum]: i like the name though, it's catchy and sticks in your head

(bunch of off topic about rewriting of noob quest)

[Quinticus]: so what are we talking about?

(more off topic about rewriting of noob quest and misc stuff.)

[Quinticus]: we need alignments for gods

[pennifuin]: an actual shipwreck

[Grum]: they have them already, right?

[pennifuin]: alignments or shipwrecks

[Grum]: alignments

[Quinticus]: yes in a way, but we discussed each races instincts and how the gods influenced them

[pennifuin]: so does each race have a god?

[Grum]: oh, sorry i missed that

[Quinticus]: so each of those must be paired to a god

[pennifuin]: that would make sense

[Quinticus]: i believe thats what the concensus was pennifuin

[pennifuin]: a greater 'race' god and lesser skill gods?

[pennifuin]: race gods*

[Grum]: hmm...is it necessary for each race to be tied to a god?

[Quinticus]: yes a set of greater gods (created by Teh God) and then lesser gods

[seanodonnell]: no, just one way of doing it

[pennifuin]: ah

[Quinticus]: well it would make easy sense

[Grum]: it's easy sure

[Quinticus]: but it doesn't have to be that way

[pennifuin]: yeah, i mean dwarves and elves arent going to be created by the same god

[Quinticus]: let me recap, how about that?

[seanodonnell]: ok

[pennifuin]: yes

[Ciara]: silver bars are so slow

[Quinticus]: what we were thinking was: Entropy (Teh God) created Dragons and the first greater gods

[Grum]: sounds good

[Quinticus]: then each god took from dragons and influenced a new race

[Ciara]: we're actually going to write "teh g0d" into the storyline? lol

[Grum]: of course

[pennifuin]: i think we should just call him entropy

[Grum]: well

[pennifuin]: The God sounds a bit pretentious

[Ciara]: teh g0d is a bit..

[Quinticus]: now i was thinking the two self made gods could come in with the forming of the new races

[Grum]: entish?

[Ciara]: exactly

[pennifuin]: why not have the gods as eternal

[pennifuin]: they were here always have been

[Grum]: because they evolve

[pennifuin]: nay, lesser gods evolve...

[Grum]: ok quint

[Quinticus]: well EL hasn't always been here, Entropy was creator of EL

(minor off topic about birds, bees, and the origin of Entropy)

[Quinticus]: so, what's your take on it grum?

[Grum]: i like the setup quint

[Grum]: i would just like to add that we should perhaps also add some stories not directly related to EL's history

[Grum]: esp. the books

[Grum]: they vcan basically be about anything

[Quinticus]: except the races

[Quinticus]: sooo that's one version of unwritten history

[pennifuin]: d'oh i just lagged out

[pennifuin]: miss anything?

[pennifuin]: quint read back lol

[Quinticus]: so we also decided that it would be good to have 2 different versions for the separate continents

[Grum]: quint, i think the best idea is to sum everything up in a threwad on forums

[Ciara]: 2 different versions? o0

[Grum]: yes, that *would be good

[pennifuin]: yeah and then start from the notes

[Quinticus]: i'm going to

[Quinticus]: ok then, shall we conclude then?

[Grum]: but make it so, that you can still see the same origins in the two versions

[Grum]: k

[Quinticus]: yeah, i agree

[pennifuin]: i dont think we can conclude

[Ciara]: the 2 continents be almost like 2 dimensions?

[Grum]: dimensions

[Grum]: ?

[Ciara]: like..

[Ciara]: Oh I dunno  ignore me

[pennifuin]: 2 diferent realities

[Grum]: that's the worst abuse of that word i've ever seen

[Quinticus]: no, just 2 different places with different beliefs and accountings of the past

[Ciara]: sorry

[Ciara]: I'm really tired right now, and I'm not using proper words

[Grum]: like, they were once together, bu over time contact was lost, and stories started differing

[pennifuin]: ah! i get you, like for instance the ways that religion has gorwn diferently in asia and south america?

[Ciara]: plus, I wasn't there when you discussed this

[Quinticus]: i was thinking perhaps one with a creation theory (like the one we just came up with) then one with a more evolutionary theory

[Ciara]: don't hate me for that

[Grum]: i hat noone

[pennifuin]: the gnomes obviously at the centre of the evolutionary theory

[Grum]: hah!

[Quinticus]: does that work?

[Grum]: hmm...not too sure about that

[pennifuin]: *cough* yes

[pennifuin]: why wouldnt it

[Grum]: it's too... real-wordly

[pennifuin]: they are the most rational and scientific of the races

[Grum]: not the gnomes thing, i mean

[Quinticus]: that's true

[pennifuin]: im pretty sure gnomes wouldnt have religion

[Ciara]: I see, the 2 continents _would_ be actual continents in a world, yet have differing beliefs

[pennifuin]: they have minds of metal

[Grum]: that i can go with

[pennifuin]: yeah

[Grum]: yes, ciara

[pennifuin]: like asia vs europe (budhism vs christianity)?

[Ciara]: nothing too.. fairytale-ish, I understand now

[Ciara]: that would work, I think

[Quinticus]: ok so how can we structure their version of history and ultimately their relintion

[Quinticus]: lol religion

[pennifuin]: we should set apart diferent meetings to discuss each history

[seanodonnell]: figure out the motives of the gods and that will explain itself

[pennifuin]: good point sean

[seanodonnell]: what would the gods want one group to know and not the other

[seanodonnell]: until you know the goals and desires of the gods, you cant do it

[Quinticus]: i wouldn't base it on a knowledge thing, though

[pennifuin]: er..secret of eternal happiness and peac of mind...i know i want that

[Grum]: if we just make two groups

[Grum]: give them each the same basic story

[pennifuin]: yeah split into teams...?

[Grum]: have them wotrk it out

[Grum]: then we'll automatically have two different stories

(minor off topic of who would work with ciara)

[Ciara]: anyway..

[pennifuin]: ok so split into teams?

[Ciara]: interesting idea

[pennifuin]: or groups or whatever

[Quinticus]: ok, so same basic past, then have two different stories/names for gods?

[Ciara]: works, I think

[pennifuin]: yeah

[Grum]: yes, that'd be good i think

[Quinticus]: if we split into teams, then someone's gotta be in both to coordinate

[pennifuin]: cause each group would represent a continent wouldnt it...the groups would have to be given a mindset and basic guidline i think

[Quinticus]: maybe?

[Grum]: yeah guess so

[Grum]: of course the irillion ppl will have a hard time

[Ciara]: :S

[Quinticus]: yes pennifuin, but how can one represent irilion when they haven't seen it yet?

[Quinticus]: exactly grum

[Ciara]: yeah, I'd much rather write the seridia story

[Grum]: my point

[Quinticus]: and how do we divide up the past?

[pennifuin]: it will be tough but how else? this of course will be a foundation for irillion tihnking

[Grum]: problem is that maps are already being worked on

[Ciara]:

[pennifuin]: and without insight we cant do much...

[Quinticus]: we'll have to talk to developers about this one, then

[Grum]: but we do know *some basic things

[Quinticus]: i know there's a map of it

[Grum]: like, irillion is host to the home towns of daegoni and gnomes

[Ciara]: ooh.. we could get some good ideas from that

[pennifuin]: yeah i think we could jsut write up notes, talk to devs and then see where that gets us

[Lord_Vermor]: grum, dont 4get orchans

[Ciara]: what philosophy did we think that those 2 races were likely to have?

[Ciara]: *3 races

[Grum]: yeah, and the orc...thingies

[pennifuin]: er...orchans honour right?

[Lord_Vermor]: and courage

[FN_knightzs]: is there a mod on this channel?

[pennifuin]: get it written up quint, it will become so much easier after that

[Quinticus]: gnomes are inventiveness, orchans courage/honour, and draegoni self preservation

[Lord_Vermor]: Orchans glorify things in battle? Gnomes glorify things through inventions? Draegoni glorify things though the past and magic?

[Grum]: in the case of orchans, i always have the idea that jonour and courage are just other words for stupidity

[Ciara]: weren't the elves the ones that focus on preserving?

[Quinticus]: ok i can do that...let me see about getting a copy of a map for those working on this as well

[pennifuin]: yeah i think orchans wouldnt be too honorable, being part orc or whatever

[Quinticus]: ciara they are based in wisdom, i know that

[Quinticus]: they are part man as well pennifuin

[Quinticus]: so lets put elves in stone, they are wise and...

[Lord_Vermor]: nature-preserving

[pennifuin]: yeah but men arent the most noble of creatures;)

[Ciara]: yeah, wise and nature-preserving

[Grum]: true

[Quinticus]: resourceful when it comes to nature as well?

[Lord_Vermor]: wile draegoni are...mystical and past/self preserving

[Lord_Vermor]: *while

[Quinticus]: they are strong and agile as well

[Ciara]: yeah..

[pennifuin]: hmm, minds of magic they have?

[Lord_Vermor]: grum

[pennifuin]: ok, go through one by one each race

[pennifuin]: and try to stick to that race until its done

[Quinticus]: ok they preserve nature through their wisdom

[pennifuin]: they? i lost who we're talking about

[pennifuin]: i dont think its jsut preservation of nature, they are skilled woodsmen remember,

[Lord_Vermor]: Kk

[Quinticus]: i'll also talk to the developers about a few things

[pennifuin]: wait wait,

[Quinticus]: i would put that one in the same pennifuin

[pennifuin]: not really quint

[Alderan]: hey every1

[Quinticus]: ok, so resourcefulness in nature as well, then?

[pennifuin]: yeah..

[pennifuin]: but its more than resourcfulness, they are children of nature

[Quinticus]: ooooo i like that!

[Ciara]: yeah wow me too

[pennifuin]: its hardly an enviroment they've come to live in and adapted to, they understand nature, its essence and being....if that makes sense

[Quinticus]: yes, that's where they derive their wisdom from

[Ciara]: they are connected to nature.. something.. ARGH what's the right word?

[Grum]: i have to write a gnomes math book

[Quinticus]: so, can we continue later? i'll post something about in the forum about it?

 

Here's the results from the great discourse. Unfortunately we did not get done what i hoped to. However, we made great progress! You'll find i did quite a bit of editing due to off topic. I was pretty liberal about it, so if i offended someone, plz let me know and i'll edit accordingly. It was 30 pages to start with and i got it down to 17...that's quite a bit. (also got rid of smileys)

 

Please feel free to post comments and suggestions. All are welcome, especially those who wished to attend but couldn't. I'll post a summary in a day or two when everyone has had a chance to review the log.

Edited April 29, 2005 by Quinticus

[Lyanna]

I... get the feeling I should have attended in order to clear up some of the major misconceptions. It DOES look like a lot of the people who were talking in the channel had no idea what the current state of Storylines is. But anyway, post your summary first Quint, and then I'll comment on it.

 

-Lyn-

[Quinticus]

I... get the feeling I should have attended in order to clear up some of the major misconceptions. It DOES look like a lot of the people who were talking in the channel had no idea what the current state of Storylines is. But anyway, post your summary first Quint, and then I'll comment on it.

 

-Lyn-

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Glad to see you have some input, Lyanna. It would have helped a lot, if you had been there. To tell the truth, i'm not sure what the present status of storylines is either. It seems it's been in stasis pretty much since Chariste got busy. That's why i thought i'd step up to the plate to try to get things moving. Of course it's hard to get a bunch of storylines people on topic. I should post an unedited log just to show the kinds of off topic

 

As for summing things up...

 

First we started out with 29 people in the channel, which i thought was a good turn out. However the first half hour to 45 minutes was random off topic chatter. What started out as a discussion for history turned into a discussion on the races, their gods/goddesses, and their respective alignments to each other. That's the short and dirty.

 

However, what i was able to pull away in addition to what the people who contributed positively was a little bit more. I haven't had much time to look over the log, but i can give you the gist.

 

There is definately some confusion as to whether the world was created or developed over time. In fact, i'm inclined to believe that it hasn't been thought about. It doesn't really matter one way or the other, both can be implemented easily or not at all.

 

Also it seems, with those that came, there was division on whether they liked to have gods/goddesses with strict alignments and those more human like in thier morals, so to say. There are those that want some with strict alignments to good and evil, and others that want them all to be more neutral. The same went with their appearance (whether there were male/female gods etc.).

 

Finally there was heavy leaning more toward races that were directly related to a specific god/goddess. If the specific race was not out right created by their respective diety, then they were influenced heavily by it. As i understood it, they were to get their characteristics from the diety. What i mean by that is, what makes one race distinctive from another.

 

I wish i could have something a little more, but i haven't had much time to pour over the log like i wanted to. I have a sick 5 1/2 month old at home, he consumes most of my time right now. So this is just a preliminary and i wanted some thoughts on it.