New Rule Suggestion.

[avon]

Yep - there are 'normal' acts of violence in society unfortunately... you can see them (fighting, etc) in certain types of pubs on Friday/Saturday nights.. but although I personally don't think they're acceptable, they are 'normal'...

 

I noticed that the 'Nazi' guild was removed swiftly - thanks to whoever did it!

 

However, sending millions of people to their death in a gas chamber is a completely different thing... but as a moderator (Leeloo) said this, I'm sure nothing will be done about her...

 

[sarcasm] After all, for moderators to argue for the rights of Nazi's to exist in this game is ok, isn't it? I mean, it is a family game after all... [/sarcasm] Sorry if you don't like my sarcasm, but is this the kind of person you want as a mod?

[Leeloo]

Sendind millions of people to the gas chambers is a different thing. But RipLizeard or JewBean was talking about sending one person there. That's a difference of 999999.

 

And I meant "normal violence" as in the opposite of "racist violence".

Edited January 18, 2005 by Leeloo

[I_am_Spock]

This is pretty fucking pitiful, you guys let them poison the one thing el HAD Community.

 

All they do is flame, you can't ban people for constant flames, you instead let them flame all they want, but lord forbid i bet if ska or me or somebody you people hate started saying fuck fuck fuck, shit shit, you would be all over banning us.

[Platyna]

EL still has a community, and EL will have a community always if that community will deserve more

attention than some 9 years old flaming troll. BTW, AFAIK he is gone...

 

Regards.

[Starman_Omega]

I think we should just ban sweets and his little buddy. what you see what he is saying is completely unnaceptable, just because he is mentioning gas chambers doesn't mean he is a nazi and therefore doesn't mean we can't ban them for discrimination agiant racial/political differences. so why don't we ban them? sweets is just messing up the boards and making a fool of himself. heck, i bet it would be for his own good if he was removed from these forums/EL.

[rebootedrock]

Say What You Want, The Apocalypse Is Coming Soon Anyway

 

Regards.

[TheNewestNewbie]

While we're at it, let's ban the Christians because 1000 years ago, they sent children into battle to kill other children.

And let's ban Pagans because they worship too many Gods.

And let's ban Satanists because they don't have a holy book.

And let's ban Muslims because they bow 4 times a day.

And let's ban Buddhists because they don't have a God.

 

Hell, why don't we just ban everybody because every religion or non-religion causes controversy.

 

Now wait... You're gonna ban Nazis because of what a Nazi did 60 years ago? Why not just ban all Germans because Germany hosted the Holocaust?

 

You disgust me because you judge all for what people did in their past. Would you like to be banned for the brand of shoe you wear because some guy wore that brand while he murdered a woman? Didn't think so, so don't do that to someone else.

[WoodChuck]

While we're at it, let's ban the Christians because 1000 years ago, they sent children into battle to kill other children.

And let's ban Pagans because they worship too many Gods.

And let's ban Satanists because they don't have a holy book.

And let's ban Muslims because they bow 4 times a day.

And let's ban Buddhists because they don't have a God.

 

Hell, why don't we just ban everybody because every religion or non-religion causes controversy.

 

Now wait... You're gonna ban Nazis because of what a Nazi did 60 years ago? Why not just ban all Germans because Germany hosted the Holocaust?

 

You disgust me because you judge all for what people did in their past. Would you like to be banned for the brand of shoe you wear because some guy wore that brand while he murdered a woman? Didn't think so, so don't do that to someone else.

What she said.

[Kami]

Aye. We can't Ban someone for being this or that.

 

I do believe that There is a fine line between Believing something (and being open about those beliefs) and just being a Prick that's trying to Disrupt the Community and EnFlame anyone ignorant enough to bother listening to them.

 

You can ignore in the game just like you can ignore in real life (even though it's easier in Game). If someone gets out of control and just starts to be a annoyance, Steps can be taken but just banning outright is like the Death Sentance; should only be a Last Resort.

[Aislinn]

I think a lot of you have gotten off track here...this kid would be banned or punished or whatever based on his own behavior, not on what others did 60 years ago.

[Leeloo]

Just in case someone missed the point, I was at no point talking about sweets. If I had mod privileges on the forum, he would have been banned days ago for spamming. Not because of any political orientation (He's too young to have any anyway), being a moron is not a political (nor sexual or religious) belief.

 

I was (initially) aiming for Captain_smile's comments about banning Jewbean and Riplizard, they may not be the friendliest people, but they have been playing for a long time, and they are not the people we get tons of abuse reports about. But then it turned into a general political discussion, with some people advocating discriminating against political beliefs they don't believe with, just like the nazi's themselves discriminated against jews and others *before* they started on the gas chambers (because nothing compares to those).

Edited January 19, 2005 by Leeloo

[Captain_Smile]

Ok, ima fucker(ess)

[Leeloo]

Ok, ima fucker(ess)

No you're not, you're a nice person, you just have a different oppinion.

 

Good thing that we don't ban people with different opponions, right?

[Captain_Smile]

yeh

lucky for you I didn't post a power abuse when you made me Pkable and mixed up the commands

[Soldus]

yes, lots of misunderstandings in this thread it seems

 

if someone calls themselves a nazi, that is NOT a valid political position. it is NOT something like "conservative, middle of the road, or liberal".

i doubt any of those so called nazis of today actually knows a smeg about the political program of the "nationalsozialistische arbeiterpartei deutschlands", and even IF they did, that party is dead and gone.

no, the only thing they share with SOME of the former members of that former party is the feeling of being inferior, due to a lack of brains, money, power that expresses itself in hatred towards everybody who might be different. (blacks, jews, hispanics you name it) and most important: it means they identify themselves with and agree on the massmurder of ppl who are/were different.

again: this is NOT a valid political statement of any kind, the ONLY reason for it is trying to cause uproar and trouble or a complete disrespect for human society. it does NOT deserve any attention or even a place to be freely expressed.

that's why it is a federal offense in many countries.

Edited January 19, 2005 by Soldus

[Freestyler]

Captain_Smile you suk...

[Captain_Smile]

Throw all the jews in gas chambers, isn't that inciting to violence ? well its a quote of Riplizard.

Leeloo, your country then will repeat the same error. lets hope they will not let nazis go too far

And by the way, calling yourself a nazi isn't a political view, because there is NO nazi party ANYWHERE anymore. And descriminating nazis is a POSITIVE discrimination.

 

Freestyler, no comment.

Edited January 19, 2005 by Captain_Smile

[rebootedrock]

The Apocalypse is coming, Politcal Correctness isn't going to last much longer : )))!

 

Regards.

[Daxon]

It's not acceptable in this day and age to 'burn' people based on their religious views.

 

No, they just resort to mass murdering hundreds of people and throwing them into mass graves. The firing squad method for one person is still used, but usually only by military personnel punishing mutiny.

 

lucky for you I didn't post a power abuse when you made me Pkable  and mixed up the commands

 

Shouldn't have done anything wrong that would warrant you into becoming PKable.

[SirKillAlot]

I vote yes for banning nazi's because then I might consider playing again.

[I_am_Spock]

No ska, they only ban us not certain other nazis that beg and pleed until they get their way.

[TheNewestNewbie]

no, the only thing they share with SOME of the former members of that former party is the feeling of being inferior, due to a lack of brains, money, power that expresses itself in hatred towards everybody who might be different. (blacks, jews, hispanics you name it) and most important: it means they identify themselves with and agree on the massmurder of ppl who are/were different.

again: this is NOT a valid political statement of any kind, the ONLY reason for it is trying to cause uproar and trouble or a complete disrespect for human society. it does NOT deserve any attention or even a place to be freely expressed.

You don't have the position to rule what opinions are worthy and what aren't. You can't speak for the Nazis unless you are one.

 

And what happened to the saying "Live and let live"?

 

Your response? My guess is "They broke it first!"

 

Two wrongs don't make a right. So stop the self-righteous religious movement against Nazis, because if that succeeds, think about how many more people you'll want banned. Maybe even rastafarians because they're against whites.

[Leeloo]

Throw all the jews in gas chambers, isn't that inciting to violence ? well its a quote of Riplizard.

I'm not a lawyer, but they usually say "depends on intent" no matter what you ask. I assume in this case too... Does he intent to? Does he have a gas chamber?

Leeloo, your country then will repeat the same error.

What error?

 

You still don't get my point, discriminating against people (jews or nazis doesn't matter) was what the Nazi's did. Not discriminating cannot be a repeat of that, it's the opposite. I see lots of people (here and other places) advocating discrimination against people with different views than themselves. Against jews, muslims, scientology, nazis, communists, homosexuals, iraqis or other groups. That's where the next nazi-style party is going to come from.

And by the way, calling yourself a nazi isn't a political view, because there is NO nazi party ANYWHERE anymore.

I believe we have one. Not that they are going anywhere with two votes, but they do exist.

[Dent]

Hate is not a religious or political view.  descrimination is not a creedo. 

 

^Please re-read that^

 

You people are still confusing issues here. This is not about the past. This is not about religion or politics. this is about current players spewing nonesense and hate.

 

They may call it what they want, but there have been people like that in damn near every political and religious category out there.

 

I could claim to be the religious paragon of bogdovanism, but if I then turn around and said that we should kill everyone whose name starts with the letter J I am simply retarded. Get it? The offender would not be me as a religious person. It would be me as a fucktard. This is why priests and politicians are still subject to punishment by law.

 

At least they are in the countries I have visited...

[Malaclypse]

I think we should not ban people only because they are nazis. This would be discriminating and would break the rules.

 

But if they break for example rule 11, we can punish them for doing that. A guild name of 'nazi' imho breaks this rule, as this openly promotes rascistic ideas, like the guild description did. The same is true, if a player is talking about 'burning jews, slaughtering kurds, killing the natives, ...', this is imo rascitic and should be banned as it breaks rule 11. If someone gets PMed with like messages, there are always #ignore and #abuse commands for this. On the other hand, I agree with Leeloo in, saying 'I'll send you to the gas chamber', is not inherently rascistic, and therefore no reason to ban someone. It's however very rude and inhuman, and it's quite easy, although it might be wrong, to conclude there's some rascistic oriented player acting behind this character. We should rather focus on them breaking one the rules, instead of being a nazi or not.

 

And descriminating nazis is a POSITIVE discrimination.

Positive discrimination is an illusion.