anthropologist

There are successful caps in other games, so what features are we lacking that keeps people playing those games?

And only 3 or 4 bots, though you can probably rember when there was only one

What we really need for the bethel cave is to be able to manu dead cats to swing around. You could not fail to hit something in there.

As opposed to cheaper rostos, I would like to see perhaps a map where you do not drop equipped items, but do stand to lose your unequipped stuff. Rost could protect your unequipped items.(so if u carried 3 different weapons and capes with u, your covered). Then we wouldn't need a damn rost everytime we went onto a map, ppl might die because they weren't stocked up to their chin, WE WOULD ACTUALLY GET DROPS ( and essies/srs/summon stones are nothing to sneeze at) and a few more ppl might give it a try cause the cost of dying would prolly be less than a rost.

We should get rid of both col and summon stones.

There have always been penalties involved in where you chose to place your pps, this just shits them a lil. As has been mentioned before, there does seem to be a bit more penalty on the newer players. Those of us with stats over the 48 limit are going to have pps we can immediately use to prepare for such a change. For many newer players, probably taking the advice of "only phys, coord and will!" it is gonna be a slow climb to get their stats sorted more appropriately.

Actually we will be interested in reasoning to max our dexterity (so that we can hit stuff). the only question will be which builds we find the most beneficial. Will extra toughness be better than good heal? Gonna be interesting to find out.

i was on C2 somewhere actually

Yes yes yes

I agree. Also from many of the posts people are not listening to your reminder that it is cross attributes that really matter. Another idea to consider would be altering the mathematics by which we use pick points. Lets say that you get the first 30 or 40 of any attribute for 1 pick point each. After 40, you would need 2 pickpoints to increase that attribute one more point. After 50, you need 4 pick points, and after 60 you need 6 pick points. This would drive players to focus on where they could place their pickpoints to garner the greates desired effect. For initial implementation, we all get any stat above the 1to1 ratio rolled back to whatever the cutoff point is and are free to redistribute those as we now wish. I am just throwing that out there to demonstrate that there are a lot of things that might be considered, and that there are quite a few of us willing to discuss and try the ideas.

I don't think the nexus bought through hydro were ever meant to be removed and put into p/c. this has just been an exploitation of the system leading to ridiculous p/c levels. hydro buying was installed so that ppl could take nexus without sacrificing p/c. Removal was installed so ppl could change their character focus without a full reset. It was never meant to be a way to "overclock" your coord

I voted yes because i am in favor of a cap. I think 48 is too low as well, but will support a cap. A lot of the training disadvantages can be made up by putting the extra pp in vit/reasoning/instinct etc. This might even make the pk server redundant if we see action on the main again. If you make it so that rosts turn into a 3-5k gc drop when someone dies i think kf will see some action again

I am still getting crashes, using both the official client and the No_clusters client. Crashes seem to mainly occur in fighting situations, though I have also crashed just walking. I have updated video drivers to latest release (November date). I have not seriously tried the "no_tiles client" as i find it very difficult to maintain any normal activity. I have also noticed that every error log I have, on both official and no-clusters seems to start with an update to the custom files, though the actual crash seems to occur sever minutes later sometimes. I am not sure how to proceed. this is the latest two error logs using the official client Log started at 2007-12-07 13:17:08 localtime (Mountain Standard Time) [13:17:08] Error: Server profile not found in servers.lst for server: Lands\el.exe". Failover to server: main. [13:17:08] Using the server profile: main [13:17:17] Error: Can't open file "quest.log" [13:17:17] * server www.eternal-lands.com filename http://www.eternal-lands.com/updates150/files.lst [13:17:17] Downloading http://www.eternal-lands.com/updates150/files.lst from www.eternal-lands.com [13:17:17] Error creating buffer: Invalid Name [13:17:17] Finished downloading http://www.eternal-lands.com/updates150/files.lst [13:17:18] * server www.eternal-lands.com filename http://www.eternal-lands.com/updates/custom_files.lst [13:17:18] Downloading http://www.eternal-lands.com/updates/custom_files.lst from www.eternal-lands.com [13:17:18] Finished downloading http://www.eternal-lands.com/updates/custom_files.lst [13:17:40] Error creating buffer: Invalid Operation Last message repeated 42 times [13:19:27] stop_stream - Error stopping stream - error: Invalid Value [13:19:30] Error creating buffer: Invalid Operation Last message repeated 43 times [13:21:27] stop_stream - Error stopping stream - error: Invalid Value [13:21:42] Error creating buffer: Invalid Operation Last message repeated 36 times [13:23:27] stop_stream - Error stopping stream - error: Invalid Value [13:23:53] Error creating buffer: Invalid Operation Last message repeated 13 times [13:25:26] stop_stream - Error stopping stream - error: Invalid Value [13:25:29] Error creating buffer: Invalid Operation Last message repeated 7 times [13:27:26] stop_stream - Error stopping stream - error: Invalid Value [13:29:01] Error creating buffer: Invalid Operation [13:29:26] stop_stream - Error stopping stream - error: Invalid Value [13:29:58] Error creating buffer: Invalid Operation Last message repeated 63 times [13:31:26] stop_stream - Error stopping stream - error: Invalid Value [13:31:26] Error creating buffer: Invalid Operation Last message repeated 82 times [13:33:26] stop_stream - Error stopping stream - error: Invalid Value [13:33:27] Error creating buffer: Invalid Operation Last message repeated 14 times [13:35:26] stop_stream - Error stopping stream - error: Invalid Value [13:35:58] Error creating buffer: Invalid Operation Last message repeated 73 times [13:37:26] stop_stream - Error stopping stream - error: Invalid Value [13:37:26] Error creating buffer: Invalid Operation Last message repeated 87 times [13:39:25] stop_stream - Error stopping stream - error: Invalid Value [13:39:26] Error creating buffer: Invalid Operation Last message repeated 49 times [13:41:58] stop_stream - Error stopping stream - error: Invalid Value [13:43:22] Error creating buffer: Invalid Operation Last message repeated 5 times [13:43:38] stop_stream - Error stopping stream - error: Invalid Value Last message repeated 4 times [13:47:38] Error creating buffer: Invalid Operation Last message repeated 25 times [13:48:41] stop_stream - Error stopping stream - error: Invalid Value [13:48:44] Error creating buffer: Invalid Operation Last message repeated 8 times [13:49:01] stop_stream - Error stopping stream - error: Invalid Value [13:49:01] Error creating buffer: Invalid Operation Last message repeated 20 times [13:49:53] stop_stream - Error stopping stream - error: Invalid Value [13:49:53] Error creating buffer: Invalid Operation Last message repeated 49 times [13:51:04] stop_stream - Error stopping stream - error: Invalid Value [13:51:05] Error creating buffer: Invalid Operation Last message repeated 15 times [13:53:23] error: Can't open file "./particles/moon_bubbles1.part" Last message repeated 3 times [13:55:43] stop_stream - Error stopping stream - error: Invalid Value Last message repeated 2 times [14:01:24] Error creating buffer: Invalid Operation Last message repeated 2 times [14:02:47] stop_stream - Error stopping stream - error: Invalid Value [14:02:49] Error creating buffer: Invalid Operation [14:02:53] stop_stream - Error stopping stream - error: Invalid Value Last message repeated 2 times [14:05:35] Error creating buffer: Invalid Operation Last message repeated 4 times [14:05:58] stop_stream - Error stopping stream - error: Invalid Value [14:05:58] Error creating buffer: Invalid Operation Last message repeated 7 times [14:06:21] stop_stream - Error stopping stream - error: Invalid Value Last message repeated 1 time [14:06:55] Error creating buffer: Invalid Operation [14:07:33] stop_stream - Error stopping stream - error: Invalid Value Last message repeated 7 times [14:12:44] Error creating buffer: Invalid Operation Last message repeated 5 times [14:13:12] stop_stream - Error stopping stream - error: Invalid Value [14:13:24] Error creating buffer: Invalid Operation [14:13:31] stop_stream - Error stopping stream - error: Invalid Value [14:13:41] Error creating buffer: Invalid Operation Last message repeated 12 times [14:14:03] stop_stream - Error stopping stream - error: Invalid Value [14:14:03] Error creating buffer: Invalid Operation Last message repeated 11 times [14:14:42] stop_stream - Error stopping stream - error: Invalid Value Last message repeated 1 time [14:15:08] Error creating buffer: Invalid Operation Last message repeated 7 times [14:15:53] stop_stream - Error stopping stream - error: Invalid Value [14:17:03] Error creating buffer: Invalid Operation [14:17:05] stop_stream - Error stopping stream - error: Invalid Value Last message repeated 1 time [14:17:59] Error creating buffer: Invalid Operation Last message repeated 2 times [14:18:04] stop_stream - Error stopping stream - error: Invalid Value [14:18:08] Error creating buffer: Invalid Operation Last message repeated 8 times [14:18:17] stop_stream - Error stopping stream - error: Invalid Value [14:18:17] Error creating buffer: Invalid Operation Last message repeated 12 times [14:18:54] stop_stream - Error stopping stream - error: Invalid Value Last message repeated 5 times [14:22:00] Error creating buffer: Invalid Operation Last message repeated 2 times [14:22:17] stop_stream - Error stopping stream - error: Invalid Value [14:22:44] Error creating buffer: Invalid Operation Last message repeated 1 time [14:23:03] stop_stream - Error stopping stream - error: Invalid Value [14:23:04] Error creating buffer: Invalid Operation Last message repeated 2 times [14:23:07] stop_stream - Error stopping stream - error: Invalid Value [14:23:07] Error creating buffer: Invalid Operation Last message repeated 2 times [14:23:57] stop_stream - Error stopping stream - error: Invalid Value [14:24:08] Error creating buffer: Invalid Operation Last message repeated 5 times [14:24:15] stop_stream - Error stopping stream - error: Invalid Value Last message repeated 1 time [14:27:46] Error creating buffer: Invalid Operation [14:27:52] stop_stream - Error stopping stream - error: Invalid Value Last message repeated 5 times [14:36:08] Error creating buffer: Invalid Operation Last message repeated 24 times [14:36:44] stop_stream - Error stopping stream - error: Invalid Value [14:36:44] Error creating buffer: Invalid Operation Last message repeated 2 times [14:37:16] stop_stream - Error stopping stream - error: Invalid Value Last message repeated 4 times [14:42:43] Error creating buffer: Invalid Operation [14:43:15] stop_stream - Error stopping stream - error: Invalid Value [14:43:29] Error creating buffer: Invalid Operation and Log started at 2007-12-07 14:43:52 localtime (Mountain Standard Time) [14:43:52] Error: Server profile not found in servers.lst for server: Lands\el.exe". Failover to server: main. [14:43:52] Using the server profile: main [14:44:01] Error: Can't open file "quest.log" [14:44:01] * server www.eternal-lands.com filename http://www.eternal-lands.com/updates150/files.lst [14:44:01] Downloading http://www.eternal-lands.com/updates150/files.lst from www.eternal-lands.com [14:44:01] Error creating buffer: Invalid Name [14:44:01] Finished downloading http://www.eternal-lands.com/updates150/files.lst [14:44:02] * server www.eternal-lands.com filename http://www.eternal-lands.com/updates/custom_files.lst [14:44:02] Downloading http://www.eternal-lands.com/updates/custom_files.lst from www.eternal-lands.com [14:44:02] Finished downloading http://www.eternal-lands.com/updates/custom_files.lst [14:44:12] Error creating buffer: Invalid Operation Last message repeated 2 times [14:45:10] stop_stream - Error stopping stream - error: Invalid Value [14:45:17] Error creating buffer: Invalid Operation Last message repeated 7 times [14:45:55] stop_stream - Error stopping stream - error: Invalid Value [14:46:00] Error creating buffer: Invalid Operation Last message repeated 3 times [14:46:10] stop_stream - Error stopping stream - error: Invalid Value [14:46:11] Error creating buffer: Invalid Operation [14:46:45] stop_stream - Error stopping stream - error: Invalid Value Last message repeated 1 time [14:47:13] Error creating buffer: Invalid Operation [14:47:35] stop_stream - Error stopping stream - error: Invalid Value Last message repeated 1 time [14:48:38] Error creating buffer: Invalid Operation [14:49:11] stop_stream - Error stopping stream - error: Invalid Value [14:50:45] Error creating buffer: Invalid Operation [14:51:03] stop_stream - Error stopping stream - error: Invalid Value Last message repeated 1 time [14:59:17] Passed a NULL mutex [15:19:34] error: Can't open file "./particles/moon_bubbles1.part" Last message repeated 3 times [15:19:41] Passed a NULL mutex [15:38:43] Error creating buffer: Invalid Name [15:40:37] Error creating buffer: Invalid Operation [15:40:54] stop_stream - Error stopping stream - error: Invalid Value [15:41:00] Error creating buffer: Invalid Operation Last message repeated 16 times [15:42:54] stop_stream - Error stopping stream - error: Invalid Value [15:42:56] Error creating buffer: Invalid Operation Last message repeated 7 times [15:44:54] stop_stream - Error stopping stream - error: Invalid Value [15:44:59] Error creating buffer: Invalid Operation Last message repeated 16 times [15:46:54] stop_stream - Error stopping stream - error: Invalid Value Last message repeated 1 time [15:51:22] Error creating buffer: Invalid Operation [15:52:53] stop_stream - Error stopping stream - error: Invalid Value Last message repeated 1 time [15:55:34] Client closed Both crashes occured during fights..one during invasion (multiple opponents) and the other in tahraji during a pk fight (eeks!). There were 2 other fights at the time going on. I have not tried disabling sound or anything like that. Advice please. UPDATE: Got a crash on notiles_no_clusters client as well...just standing in storage: Log started at 2007-12-08 10:14:31 localtime (Mountain Standard Time) [10:14:31] Error: Server profile not found in servers.lst for server: Lands\el_notiles_no. Failover to server: main. [10:14:31] Using the server profile: main [10:14:42] Error: Can't open file "quest.log" [10:14:42] * server www.eternal-lands.com filename http://www.eternal-lands.com/updates150/files.lst [10:14:42] Downloading http://www.eternal-lands.com/updates150/files.lst from www.eternal-lands.com [10:14:42] Error creating buffer: Invalid Name [10:14:42] Finished downloading http://www.eternal-lands.com/updates150/files.lst [10:14:43] * server www.eternal-lands.com filename http://www.eternal-lands.com/updates/custom_files.lst [10:14:43] Downloading http://www.eternal-lands.com/updates/custom_files.lst from www.eternal-lands.com [10:14:43] Finished downloading http://www.eternal-lands.com/updates/custom_files.lst [10:15:45] stop_stream - Error stopping stream - error: Invalid Value

But fedora got a better action shot

I'll take the diamonds

my last crash i got this Log started at 2007-11-29 10:45:52 localtime (Mountain Standard Time) [10:45:52] Error: Server profile not found in servers.lst for server: Lands\el_noclusters. Failover to server: main. [10:45:52] Using the server profile: main [10:46:04] Error: Can't open file "quest.log" [10:46:04] * server www.eternal-lands.com filename http://www.eternal-lands.com/updates150/files.lst [10:46:04] Downloading http://www.eternal-lands.com/updates150/files.lst from www.eternal-lands.com [10:46:04] Finished downloading http://www.eternal-lands.com/updates150/files.lst [10:46:05] Error creating buffer: Invalid Name [10:46:05] * server www.eternal-lands.com filename http://www.eternal-lands.com/updates/custom_files.lst [10:46:05] Downloading http://www.eternal-lands.com/updates/custom_files.lst from www.eternal-lands.com [10:46:05] Finished downloading http://www.eternal-lands.com/updates/custom_files.lst [10:47:08] stop_stream - Error stopping stream - error: Invalid Value

So far i have had one crash since downloading the no-clusters file. This was just while walking. I have not tried running the game without sound to see if that is the issue.

For a game that is free and such a small download, I think the graphics are outstanding.

Hmmm...i haven't tried in iso mode and i always play with altered perspective. My Draegoni looked like he had aged 20 years and gained 30 lbs on test client. I'll try in iso and see if it just distortion

Me too. Jumpy i say we pull his sweater over his head and give him a hockey fight lesson. (but I kinda like ol 'talks-way-too-much-and-now-my-foot-is-in-my-mouth Joe Biden) (and spell Canuck right for god sake)

Thanks for all your help guys! If you had my problem just turn the #enable_sound option to 0 guys it should work labrat, i disabled the wrong option (put on "no sound" rather then shutting off "enable sound"

yeah it worked this time

ok, using my old .ini file and disabling the sound it works. On new .ini disabling sound did not work.

Log started at 2007-06-03 20:39:54 localtime (Mountain Daylight Time) [20:39:54] main.c.Main:242 - Debug: beginning init_translatables (called from main.c:main) [20:39:54] translate.c.init_translatables:702 - Debug: beginning init_groups (called from translate.c:init_translatables) [20:39:54] translate.c.init_translatables:706 - Debug: beginning init_errors (called from translate.c:init_translatables) [20:39:54] translate.c.init_translatables:711 - Debug: beginning init_console (called from translate.c:init_translatables) [20:39:54] translate.c.init_translatables:715 - Debug: beginning init_help (called from translate.c:init_translatables) [20:39:54] translate.c.init_translatables:719 - Debug: beginning init_spells (called from translate.c:init_translatables) [20:39:54] translate.c.init_translatables:723 - Debug: beginning init_stats (called from translate.c:init_translatables) [20:39:54] translate.c.init_translatables:727 - Debug: beginning init_titles (called from translate.c:init_translatables) [20:39:54] main.c.Main:246 - Debug: beginning init_vars (called from main.c:main [20:39:54] main.c.Main:250 - Debug: beginning init_stuff (called from main.c:main [20:39:54] init.c.init_stuff:560 - Debug: beginning int_text_buffers (called from init.c:init_stuff) [20:39:54] init.c.init_stuff:569 - Debug: beginning init_chat_channels (called from init.c:init_stuff) [20:39:54] init.c.init_stuff:576 - Debug: beginning init_fonts (called from init.c:init_stuff) [20:39:54] init.c.init_stuff:582 - Debug: beginning read_config (called from init.c:init_stuff) [20:39:54] init.c.read_config:222 - read_el_ini [20:39:54] elconfig.c.read_el_ini:1517 - input_line line [20:39:54] elconfig.c.read_el_ini:1521 - open_el_ini® [20:39:54] elconfig.c.read_el_ini:1526 - should I return (fin == NULL) no [20:39:54] elconfig.c.read_el_ini:1531 - while fgets loop [20:39:54] elconfig.c.read_el_ini:1545 - #server_address = game.eternal-lands.com [20:39:54] elconfig.c.read_el_ini:1545 - #server_port= 2000 [20:39:54] elconfig.c.read_el_ini:1545 - #username = "" [20:39:54] elconfig.c.read_el_ini:1545 - #password = "" [20:39:54] elconfig.c.read_el_ini:1545 - #video_mode = 10 [20:39:54] elconfig.c.read_el_ini:1545 - #full_screen = 0 [20:39:54] elconfig.c.read_el_ini:1545 - #no_adjust_shadows = 0 [20:39:54] elconfig.c.read_el_ini:1545 - #shadows_on= 1 [20:39:54] elconfig.c.read_el_ini:1545 - #use_shadow_mapping = 1 [20:39:54] elconfig.c.read_el_ini:1545 - #max_shadow_map_size = 1024 [20:39:54] elconfig.c.read_el_ini:1545 - #clouds_shadows = 1 [20:39:54] elconfig.c.read_el_ini:1545 - #show_reflection = 1 [20:39:54] elconfig.c.read_el_ini:1545 - #show_fps = 1 [20:39:54] elconfig.c.read_el_ini:1545 - #limit_fps=0 [20:39:54] elconfig.c.read_el_ini:1545 - #poor_man = 0 [20:39:54] elconfig.c.read_el_ini:1545 - #use_vertex_array = 1 [20:39:54] elconfig.c.read_el_ini:1545 - #use_mipmaps = 1 [20:39:54] elconfig.c.read_el_ini:1545 - #use_point_particles = 1 [20:39:54] elconfig.c.read_el_ini:1545 - #particles_percentage = 100 [20:39:54] elconfig.c.read_el_ini:1545 - #mouse_limit = 1 [20:39:54] elconfig.c.read_el_ini:1545 - #normal_camera_rotation_speed= 67.5 [20:39:54] elconfig.c.read_el_ini:1545 - #fine_camera_rotation_speed = 5.0 [20:39:54] elconfig.c.read_el_ini:1545 - #sit_lock = 0 [20:39:54] elconfig.c.read_el_ini:1545 - #item_window_on_drop = 0 [20:39:54] elconfig.c.read_el_ini:1545 - #view_digital_clock = 1 [20:39:54] elconfig.c.read_el_ini:1545 - #relocate_quickbar = 1 [20:39:54] elconfig.c.read_el_ini:1545 - #show_stats_in_hud = 1 [20:39:54] elconfig.c.read_el_ini:1545 - #show_help_text = 1 [20:39:54] elconfig.c.read_el_ini:1545 - #auto_afk_time = 5 [20:39:54] elconfig.c.read_el_ini:1545 - #afk_message= "Please leave a message after the meep............meep" [20:39:54] elconfig.c.read_el_ini:1545 - #use_global_ignores = 1 [20:39:54] elconfig.c.read_el_ini:1545 - #use_global_filters = 0 [20:39:54] elconfig.c.read_el_ini:1545 - #text_filter_replace = smeg [20:39:54] elconfig.c.read_el_ini:1545 - #save_ignores = 1 [20:39:54] elconfig.c.read_el_ini:1545 - #log_server = 1 [20:39:54] elconfig.c.read_el_ini:1545 - #name_text_size= 1 [20:39:54] elconfig.c.read_el_ini:1545 - #name_font = 0 [20:39:54] elconfig.c.read_el_ini:1545 - #chat_text_size = 1.0 [20:39:54] elconfig.c.read_el_ini:1545 - #chat_font = 0 [20:39:54] elconfig.c.read_el_ini:1545 - #no_sound = 0 [20:39:54] elconfig.c.read_el_ini:1545 - #sound_gain = 0.5 [20:39:54] elconfig.c.read_el_ini:1545 - #music_gain = 0.5 [20:39:54] elconfig.c.read_el_ini:1545 - #browser = "start iexplore.exe" [20:39:54] elconfig.c.read_el_ini:1545 - #language = en [20:39:54] elconfig.c.read_el_ini:1545 - #data_dir = /usr/local/games/el/ [20:39:54] elconfig.c.read_el_ini:1545 - #render_fog = 0 [20:39:54] elconfig.c.read_el_ini:1545 - #use_vertex_buffers = 1 [20:39:54] elconfig.c.read_el_ini:1545 - #click_speed = 300 [20:39:54] elconfig.c.read_el_ini:1545 - #compass_north = 1 [20:39:54] elconfig.c.read_el_ini:1545 - #caps_filter = 1 [20:39:54] elconfig.c.read_el_ini:1545 - #log_chat = 2 [20:39:54] elconfig.c.read_el_ini:1545 - #windowed_chat = 1 [20:39:54] elconfig.c.read_el_ini:1545 - #write_ini_on_exit = 1 [20:39:54] elconfig.c.read_el_ini:1545 - #ati_click_workaround = 0 [20:39:54] elconfig.c.read_el_ini:1545 - #use_alpha_border = 1 [20:39:54] elconfig.c.read_el_ini:1545 - #use_floating_messages = 1 [20:39:54] elconfig.c.read_el_ini:1545 - #local_chat_separate = 0 [20:39:54] elconfig.c.read_el_ini:1545 - #guild_chat_separate = 1 [20:39:54] elconfig.c.read_el_ini:1545 - #server_chat_separate = 0 [20:39:54] elconfig.c.read_el_ini:1545 - #mod_chat_separate = 0 [20:39:54] elconfig.c.read_el_ini:1545 - #highlight_tab_on_nick = 1 [20:39:54] elconfig.c.read_el_ini:1545 - #isometric = 0 [20:39:54] elconfig.c.read_el_ini:1545 - #perspective= 0.53 [20:39:54] elconfig.c.read_el_ini:1545 - #near_plane = 35 [20:39:54] elconfig.c.read_el_ini:1545 - #buddy_log_notice = 1 [20:39:54] elconfig.c.read_el_ini:1545 - #gamma = 1 [20:39:54] elconfig.c.read_el_ini:1545 - #shadow_map_size = 1 [20:39:54] elconfig.c.read_el_ini:1545 - #use_compiled_vertex_array = 1 [20:39:54] elconfig.c.read_el_ini:1545 - #enable_sound = 1

My display is already 32 bit