Spartan_Warrior
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... turn a leaf in a matter of a second. Look at spartan_warrior thread.
hahah i dont think you needed to go that far
i do have something to say that carries some importance, take it as you will. when you look at scammers/liars/etc today there's something really unique to how the community reacts to the different ways they accept/ostracize them.
speaking completely objective of my actions in the past, there's really a few different ways this could have played out.
1. Scam/Lie was caught, and apology issued
community will hate him, and he'll really be banned from some bots, guilds, etc while he looks like a wuss with his tail between his legs, but in time people will forgive but never forget although they might forgive so apologizing was useless. really you just can't know what this person's intentions are.
2. Scam/Lie was caught, apology issued, then scammed again, rinse, repeat
community will hate him, and they become completely banned from every bot, he'll look like a moron and no one will have respect for him. these people are stupid.
3. Scam/Lie was caught, no apology, (optional - scam repeated.)
community will hate him, but they know who theyre dealing with and what their intentions are and don't have to second guess anything. they won't hide behind apologies, false or not, or have to deal with knowing who is against them or the few who are not against them.
In essence I can't see how you can have respect for him apologizing, you'll never ever trust fate again so what does it matter if he apologizes? let's try not to flame plz.
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There's enough free pps already hah. I guess it might be worth 1 maybe 2 pps?
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Lol, just as zaer said I'm not breaking through you're front door.
It may not have been a bag I took, but who did the bot belong to?
A guild of programmers.
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Surely the bigger retard is the guy who lets himself get bagjumped when it's the easiest thing in the world to take precautions against it.
Yup, I think you'll find that the idea of holding victims responsible for transgressions made against them has a fairly long and dishonorable history going right the way back to the burning of witches. I'm sure social psychologists have a technical term for it, but the more commonly used ones are misguided, bizarre, illogical, ridiculous and ofc dumb.
And your second line beggers belief. The only real pirates are ones that don't advertise themselves? Johnny Depp begs to disagree.
Nope! He's the well known owner of a marvelous magical chocolate factory.
Yup. Burning someone to death at the stake and being so stupid as to allow yourself to get bagjumped are pretty similar if you ask me. In all my years of playing this game (on and off...) I have never once been bagjumped in this sense. Lost a few from dying whilst training in the past sure, but never whilst mixing or sitting at a resource. There is no possible reason for it to happen. There is no reason for anyone to have a large bag full of items anywhere; they are simply inviting trouble.
Basically these people cannot break throught your front door and into your house. The only way they can get your stuff is if you leave it lying around for them. Looks to me like you're pretty much a goon if you do not take steps to prevent this happening.
You're a funny one zaer.
Hussam's post, however, should be post of the year.
The people in YARR are far from being 'newbies' to the game, and they aren't noobs either.
If they're 'stalking' people in TD, that's doing exactly what TD was made for: to PK (shocker to find out it's sole purpose isn't to hax mix or level magic skill without cooldown huh?).
As for 'bagjumping': if you want the comfort of working near the harvestable, you can't expect it to be risk free. Is it annoying if you've just been harvesting for hours or days and see your stuff get poofed by someone else? Sure. But it's also dumb. We have mules. We have skull keys. And we have storages. Use them ^^.
Only difference between YARR and at the people who hunt for hyperbags in total secrecy is exactly that: they aren´t secretive about it.
Wanna be 'safe'? I'm sure you can pay them for immunity, or else do like others and just haul your stuff to storage.
You're really being a hypocrite. You type an almost same post in most threads where people complain they were bagjumped/scammed or whatever. No one is arguing it's not the victim's fault for not being more careful.
Also, how come you defend noobish outlaw behavior from people who keep pulling off the same old tricks over and over but you were against one of the most pr0 outlaw actions in EL history?
( http://www.eternal-lands.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=54362&st=20 )
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Congratulations Littlebig, you told everyone... what they already know? Should be proud of yourself Littleknowitall. Don't go instancing anytime soon, you might end up killing half our team, again.
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When you lock an a previous one your contents are added to the bag.
Hyperbags were never meant to be safe, they're not your storage. Don't expect them to be there when you get back. Once it's locked and closed it's not safe, and expect it to be stolen if you cant put it in a smart place.
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Your punishment will be the same as what we offer the others, with a small exception.
You will serve 1 month of suspension from the game, and similar to what we do in other cases of multi, you will either get a storage wipe or be allowed to return the scammed items.
Indeed, he is banned for multi, not for scamming.
Even if he didn't scam any bots (say, he had full permission from LNX to get everything on that bot), he would still be banned 1 month for the illegal multi. We banned people in the past for doing exactly that (using bots to transfer items). The fact that he scammed people is not relevant to this case, even though others would like it to be. I like our rules to be consistent.
Thank you for your fair judgement in this matter Radu, and I appreciate that you try to make your rules as consistent as possible. Before my character is unbanned I would like to request one last namechange, from Onuris back to Spartan_Warrior please, paid of course.
You mentioned a small exception to the ban offer, but I wasn't sure which part you meant, could you please clarify? As for my choice, I will think it over and decide in 1 month whether to return items or get a storage wipe.
Sincerely,
Spartan_Warrior
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I could think of several failsafes that could possibly work, but no matter what you do someone will find a way to abuse the system. Nothing is perfect, and the only way is putting your neck on the line and your trust out there. You could make the bot only allow 50 S2E ings out at a time and to get 50 more s2e ings, you would need to put 50 s2e's in (if its joule/recycling). Less for hydro (10 at a time, more for FE (10k at a time). A couple other things could be done, if you wanted to be creative with your coding.
Would also like to point out that everything SW just suggested here was exactly what the LNX code geeks were talking about in GM when they were talking about writing a specific LNX sto bot code. No original SW ideas here.
Like that's never happened before...
( http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leibniz_and_Newton_calculus_controversy?wasRedirected=true )
Another thing could be done where the bot gives value IDs to each item, and adds them up before the trade. No transactions over 100kgc.
Haven't you heard of pr0 thieves and code crackers being hired by security companies? That's why they boast about their exploits in spite of any potential repercussions.
Umm, pr0 thieves by definition make a living from their activities and generally don't get caught, the best code crackers find a weakness and develop a proof of concept, they also don't get caught doing things that could get them in trouble (at least most of the time).
Yea, the police even checked all their tradelogs across multiple IPs, lucky ducks got away with it...
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Contradictory post?
I was extending the courtesy of acknowledging your efforts. Next time I won't bother.
You know what, you're right but I felt that your reply wasn't satisfactory so I let
my opinion take over.***EDIT*** and I apologize ***/EDIT***
Regarding helping newbies, there is no lesson of morals taught withthe tutorial npc, I felt the obligation to suggest such long hours of service to the community because recompensating LNX for only double the items I took would be a slap on the wrist.<edit> And in some way, I would begin to serve the community, in other words, giving back to the community. </edit> In this fashion, my life would be hell, and you wouldn't have to babysit daily, perhaps spend a half hour at the end of the 250 hours served.
I would like to kindly ask that you take my punishment as a suggestion, and manipulate it however you see fit.
Thank you for your kindness.
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1. No, you don't get to suggest a punishment.
2. Unless you would like to pay me to spend that much time monitoring you and your actions, I have no interest in wasting my time doing that. You seriously think I want to spend 4 months as your personal EL secretary to monitor and review you?
2. The no-alts will not be lifted at any time.
3. I think we can come up with somebody with better morals to teach the newbies of EL, thank you very much. Your brand of playing is not what we want to be spreading around.
4. You will serve the mandatory month off like everyone else. I have no interest in unbanning your IP before that time.
5. You will get a complete item wipe on the 1 character you will be allowed to get back.
6. What happens to that stuff...we haven't decided yet.
As to your ps, what you think of my reasons is probably no different than anybody else who gets caught. Save it and get CTS on something more worth your time.
Your contradicting post yet again confuses me Ms. Aislinn, you said I do not get to suggest a punishment, yet you comment on different aspects of what I suggested and how they would work. The no alts rule is so that for the next 7 months I can't even touch my character. My time would be spent helping newbies and afaik, I've done a pretty good job of that, with the exception of 1 incident where I said "no" when someone asked for help and I was on an alt. Logs show that I was on channel 1 helping after my ban, but you didn't see that either. Then you say you wouldn't be willing to spend that much time checking my logs unless I paid you? Ok, let's say I paid you, for such a heinous punishment which outweighs most punishments i've seen, it would not be fun for me to play this game, yet I am willing to do it.
"What happens to that stuff we haven't decided". - So what the heck does this mean? You'll be returning scammed items?
Lastly, the way you answered my forum pm was the same way you've been reading most of my posts. I am not, FFS, complaining I got caught. I am not begging to be unbanned, and I'm not running around disrespecting you or your moderation team. Yet you feel the "obligation to talk to [me] like [i'm in] kindergarten?" For no reason other than I was caught scamming massive amounts of gc? I am not like "everyone else," and I even went so far as to explain to radu how the bot bug worked after I pulled off the scam.
Whatever the outcome this next statement will always stand true, thank you for everything the moderation team has done for me, and for making this game a better place. You don't get recognized for that enough.
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So the short version of your quoting mess is:
1. You feel you are within your gaming rights to massively spam and scam multiple bots, taking advantage of bad coding either within the bot itself or the server?
2. You feel you are within your gaming rights to find ways around the intent of each rule you come across?
The intents of the rules are clear. Asking 20 questions looking for specific answers while leaving other pertinent facts out of the equation you present, does not indicate to ME a desire to abide by the spirit and intent of the rules.
Let me make it clear: You are not allowed any version of equivilent value coming back into the new account or alts, whether your exact items were sold for gc and you take the gc back, or you bought new things with the same money, or whether you got the same stuff but from a third party you paid off some other way...that is EXACTLY the looking for a loophole I am talking about. You were not allowed to get stuff back, not the same items, or duplicate items, or different items same value bought with those proceeds, or any other manipulation to cover it. Read rule 5. No benefit one character to another, whether directly or indirectly No middlemen of ANY sort. How is that not clear? Why am I obligated to talk to some players like they are in kindergarten?
[Edit] Also for record, since you want all the logs looked at more closely: Even playing devil's advocate and saying "ok, you took from the LNX bot the hydro bars you were owed.." You still took massive amounts of ingredients that you did have on your other character that you gave to others to mix for you, which was NOT what I agreed for you to get back. I gave you an inch and you took 100 miles and then some. [/edit]
Am I correct in my assumption that you wish a private conversation (wonder who broke your forum pm) so you can incriminate other people?
[Edit2: If you want to gather fistfuls of logs and receipts and forum pm's and other "proof" of how you made a convoluted trail of money and items and gc and wave it around in Radu's face, feel free. If he is willing to waste his time looking at all that, great for you. I have NO interest in it because all you have is proof of how you tried to manipulate the system to get around the rules we have. You can call it what you want, but that is what you tried to do. I have better things to spend my time with, than finding a reason to keep you here to do more of the same. In my view, the situation already has been resolved. Both swiftly and satisfactorily. [/edit]
please see ps
Ok, so after wasting my time, Aislinn's time and the LNX guild time, here is the definite proof of multi:
SW changed his char on about 10/10/10. He renamed the old SW char to another char, and the Fleja char to SW. So before 10/10/10 SW char is a DIFFERENT char than after that date.
(omitted logs for length)
So as you can clearly see, he gave stuff to the bot on his old char, and took it (by scamming the bot) with his new char. This is clear multi, it's not "the spirit of rules" and shit. It's direct, in your face multi.
So in the end I know I've pissed off many people, and many people would like to never see me return to this wonderful game. But if I may suggest a punishment that is not easy, or in my favor, I would like to return to the game one day. This is my peace offering of sorts, and perhaps a way of righting the multiplay rule I broke.
I would be willing to serve a ban period of 90 days, with an IP ban lifted so I may enter game for the following reason. I would commit to serving 250 hours minimum of newbie help service on help channels and Isla Prima, and if I predict correctly, would only take me maybe 4 months. At the end of the 250 hours served helping on Isla Prima, there could be a review period, where the hours served of community service would be double checked. At this point, theoretically speaking, the bans would be lifted, and alts restriction clause (no alts rule) would become active with the character (Onuris). However, with the unbanning of the character there would be one very specific clause, and that would be to recompensate the LNX guild bot, via a third party, with all items that were multiplayed with, with the exception of the items taken during scam. So any items that were traded before scam would be returned. It could be easily argued that, that is not enough, so inn addition to that I would cover compensatory damages in the form of doubling every item from before scam within 4 months. These damages would be repayed within 6 months, or IP Ban would be reactivated. Is this a satisfactory punishment?
ps: Aislinn,
I spent the whole day reading your post, and deciding what I wanted to say to each one of your remarks regarding my ban and my actions. But posting what I wrote down on 2 pieces of paper would do nothing more than cause arguments and seem like excuses. With all due respect, my opinion is you're looking at my case in a very biased, opinionated form, and some of the comments might have been unnecessary from an objective point of view. However, I do not wish to cause such harm with my diction and sarcasm so I will refrain from addressing your post.
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I could think of several failsafes that could possibly work, but no matter what you do someone will find a way to abuse the system. Nothing is perfect, and the only way is putting your neck on the line and your trust out there. You could make the bot only allow 50 S2E ings out at a time and to get 50 more s2e ings, you would need to put 50 s2e's in (if its joule/recycling). Less for hydro (10 at a time, more for FE (10k at a time). A couple other things could be done, if you wanted to be creative with your coding.
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one of the best scamming in EL
Honestly gratz to the dude that pulled it off (for the reasons that frost said)
best lesson ever , dont trust anyone that u actually dont know.
Never believed at guild projects
anyway
To be honest at developers, guild issues need lots of work , honestly ranking should play a part in guild,
Fix guilds so they can be more than a chat/non attack feature in game
Thank you. Always interesting to hear someone's reaction, however most of the congratulations were not public forum posts, so for that sir, you are brave.
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Pyromaniac
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No, pyro didn't give me anything of value. He sold it, then sold the gc, it was a favor.
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Pyromaniac
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I received 70$ paypal on 10/10/10
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Yes, I locked your Onuris character. I don't think spamming bot owners and the server alike with (literally) thousands of rapid-fire PM's (often several per second) is in any way reasonable, nor within the confines of the spirit of the rules.
Can I ask if this is accurate? It's just that I can only send 1 PM/#GM or line of chat per second, even if I use <ctrl> + <up arrows key> AFAIK this is hard coded into the client or is there a flag that can be set in the options?
I only ask as a matter of personal interest.
Mods if this is inappropriate in this thread please delete my post.
I am writing and proofing a reply for aislinn but for now can confirm that afaik you can't spam gm/channel posts/local faster than once a second. With pm there is an exception.
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@Mods:
Also, on the slight chance you don't already know, I believe SW contributed to the items on LNX's guild storage bot on his old character, thus by taking those items on his new char, my understanding would be that he's committed illegal multi.
This was discussed via forum pm with Aislinn at the time I bought the new character.
Request:May I post the PM in it's entirety on this forum please.
hello
well sad to hear again that one player can harm the whole
community
quote : 'Had I known spamming tradebots was against the rules I wouldn't have done so, I thought nothing of it and apologize for breaking the rule.'
as far as i know its rule 5 and 19, not using bugs in el to get an advantage...
lots of ppl here are working hard to get gc together for themself or for the guilds,
and if someone just thinks, hey i get it for me for free, thats realy unfair
You and the people before you who posted have no relevant information(with the exception of Korrode) I am not the first, nor the last to scam a bot.
Were you warned to stop spamming the bots?
Ok, I unbanned Onuris for now. I'll be looking tomorrow for possible rule 5 violations if what some people say is true.
No I was not warned to stop spamming the bots, however, I was in conversation with asgnny before he booted/banned me from the game. In addition to that, I was followed in demi-god mode by him whenever I made a mapchange, or moved out of his sight in game. I am not crying or whining, merely recanting the information.
Request:Do I have permission to repost these PMs here?
Last thing I read in console was "You were booted by asgnnny," for the Onuris character. Please let me know when he will be unbanned because as I was booted the "No Spamming" rule was highlighted in red. Had I known spamming tradebots was against the rules I wouldn't have done so, I thought nothing of it and apologize for breaking the rule. I have no gripes, complaints, or excuses, merely a question as to when I will be unbanned please.
Thanks
Yes, I locked your Onuris character. I don't think spamming bot owners and the server alike with (literally) thousands of rapid-fire PM's (often several per second) is in any way reasonable, nor within the confines of the spirit of the rules.
It is my understanding that the gc and/or items you obtained from the Adarah bot were obtained only through your having broken an in-game rule. As such, I am considering those proceeds as "fruit of the poison tree". In other words, those items are ill-gotten. I would consider unlocking Onuris once these illegally obtained goods are returned to that bot. To clarify, I consider the items obtained as a result of misplaced trust (i.e. those from the LNX bot) were obtained legally.
Were you warned to stop spamming the bots?
That's like asking Bernie Madoff if the SEC told him that securities fraud was illegal. This was obviously a deliberate attempt to breach a bug, possibly a server bug (not 100% certain as of the time of the lock), as it has been explained to me by a bot owner. While extra code could be added to double-check that the ID"s being sent from the server are not crossed at any point, this does should not exonerate anyone deliberately (paraphrasing from the rules:) exploiting and communicating the existence of any exploitable (one which grant the user unnatural or unintended benefits) bug.
Assuming for a moment that the bug is in the bot code (mind you, Onuris is not currently locked for exploitation of a bug), that does not mitigate the fact that the server was deliberately spammed with thousands of messages over a relatively short period of time. I believe our friendly UObeyUOk bot was disabled for this same reason. If it's okay for one player to send thousands of messages in a short interval, is it not then acceptable for everyone else to be able to do the same? This situation is brought to the foreground as most bot owners have their bots set up to forward (via PM) the commands received by their bots. This feature is useful to catch abuse, as well as to provide real-time knowledge of which items are selling. For normal use, the end result is useful knowledge being passed to a bot owner about trades and commands sent to their bot. This is a valuable service, and I believe, is why I believe bot owners are willing to spend $100+ at the EL shop for their bots.
Following is what I propose as the most expeditious, reasonable resolution to the issues at hand:
1) A complete review of the events which transpired, to determine which, if any, goods were obtained illegally.
2) Verification that no illegal multiplay has occurred.
3) Verification that no (server) bugs were exploited.
4) The return of any illegally obtained goods.
5) Onuris would be unlocked (assuming 2) & 3) check out).
I am hopeful that this situation can be resolved quickly and fairly.
edit: thanks radu...
At the time I pm'd you, and I am paraphrasing, you said "I'd be the first to know if I broke a rule," yet I was not notified by you what rule I specifically broke to receive a ban/boot until radu decided to intervene. Along with that, I told you that radu knew how I manipulated the bot code, and I requested you talk to him. You took it upon yourself to tell me you'd talk to him in your own time, and so your sarcastic "thanks radu..." is ironic.
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Spartan_warrior again...
He was given permission to receive his share of 100 hydro bars ONLY (that is what he asked for, his share of 100 finished hydro bars from the LNX project) from that one project onto his new character that would be empty and devoid of anything. Nothing else. No other supplies, nothing. Not the hundreds of thousands of fe's, fe ingredients, dragon armours of all varieties, , medallions, loads of gc, etc etc etc. Nor was he given permission to steal from bots.
I was given permission to rejoin in the project that is correct, however, I could have done the same thing with my original character, could have taken the same FEs, bars, harvestables, so having the new character did not change my advantages/priveledges/opportunities in the bot/guild/project.
Where did you see dragon armours and medallions being taken from trades?? If you're recalling Quesar's post you are mistaken as those things were borrowed for an instance and then returned the same day.
He also was told not to get anything back from pyromaniac, or any manipulation of getting stuff from one character to another. That includes ALL characters, he is not to be moving stuff around using middlemen or bots. Especially stealing from bots to pay other people to stock him back up.
Not only that, but now we have the fleja new character renamed spartan_warrior on 10-10-2010 doing trades after like it was the old spartan_warrior character, which it is NOT allowed. He was explicitly forbidden to do this.
If given permission to repost your forum PM, I would like to make clear that your statement specified something very specific. You said that my old storage must not come back to me, (paraphrasing). That sto was liquidated on the market, and the gc value estimated at 750kgc was sold to a third party. I do not have the right to disclose who that was sold to, but if you feel you must know you could check the logs, ask me specifically, or forum pm me.
I see what looks like payment to certain people to restock him up on his alts and new supposedly-empty spartan_warrior character with all the goodies stolen from the bots.
There are also a few other people who's logs are going to be looked into with this mess, I am NOT happy. You know who you are.
What the heck is wrong with everybody?
Which alts are "stocked up?" What were they "stocked up" with? And who did it come from? AFAIK all my alts are sto-less noobs with harvest 20 to join guilds. There is no "few other people" either, and again I would like to kindly request that this thread somehow be made specific so that I may disclose personal financial information and names that should remain anonymous.
As to the bot spamming and scamming, no no no no.
Seriously I am tired of trouble with spartan_warrior, he has been nothing but a drain on moderator time since he returned to the game. He knows better. It looks like he is going through the list of rules one by one and looking for anything NOT mentioned specifically so that he can try to make as much trouble as he can within the "letter of the law" as he sees it.
And every time it is "but I didn't know xyz SPECIFICALLY wasn't allowed....." ENOUGH ALREADY!
If I am allowed to repost my side of a forum PM, I will do so now.
I didn't want to break the rules then come talk to you, which is why I wanted to take the time to PM you first, I also understand that you're having trouble with your internet connection and I won't be bothering you with multiple PMs.Does this look like a question one would ask who's trying to circumvent the rules? Just because you may think I know better, means nothing. Is it not enough to apply logic in my thoughts when we both have different opinions of what is Spamming. Spamming is an annoyance tactic used to disturb/irk someone, basically just really piss them off. And I will bring this up again when I address another part of your quote.
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He is totally abusing what he thinks are loopholes or bad things left out of the rules, people like him are why we have rules like #25 and the "spirit of the rules" clause.
This is not like it's a nice guy who accidentally spammed a bot and got an advantage.
He also was grilling me on the specifics of rule 5 in GREAT detail so he could find ways around it. The spirit of the rules protects us from this. If you are looking for a way around the rule, you are looking to break it!
I see no reason to unlock or unban. EL doesn't need this garbage and as I've said before, I would rather keep the folks who aren't going out of their way to cheat, scam, steal, and otherwise hurt other people.
Let's go back to the forum PM please, my side of course, granted if I'm allowed to post it.
Now, since I am buying a new character, and would like to receive the 100 hydros at the end of the project. What do I need to do to make sure that I can do that? Can I destroy my contributions/effort by referring to logs that are kept, or maybe you have a better suggestion? Personally, all I did was harvest maybe 10k coal or so for bagmixers in the mine, took FE ings and gave them to friends to mix so I didn't even mix them myself, so not much time was taken from myself, nor gc.The prior forum pm quote was the only "grilling" I did, and all I did was ask the same question twice, just wording it differently. Troublemaking was NOT my intention when I "wasted moderators time." The only thing that was done to waste moderator time was when I was being immature with the resale of a perk removal stone attempting to maximize my profits. When I found corpus had 5 hp, and couldnt kill him with a noob char, I found it very annoying that it was considered "spying" that I took my main char there after that. It really is common knowledge corpus has 5 hp, and either way corpus is a bot with no drops. I am sure there was one or two other things I did, and I would be more than happy to address them should you like to bring them up.
Granted I did send you another PM after your reply, but you obviously didn't see that it was worth replying to, so I feel it's not worth mentioning.
At the time of writing, it has been 50 minutes since my request to appeal this ban in a private medium, I posted 2 minutes after Aislinn so I thought she could throw in a quick yes or no before she left. So to the best of my ability I will discuss any matters regarding any of my trades with you here, and forum pm. I have paypal screenshots/logs, depending on how you prefer them. I have other requests aswell...
With proper time and cool collected conversation I will attempt to show how the old SW character was sold, and his posessions were sold into the EL market for gc. That gc was then sold to a third party whom I disclosed in PM to a mod, and shared with you. I would like to also ask that the fact that I "wasted moderators time ever since I came back" be called with specific situations, dates, and the amount of times they occurred. If there is anything else the moderation team would like to, or could suggest, I would appreciate it. Hopefully this matter will be resolved swiftly.
I have no problems/complaints with the EL Moderation staff, the time and hours they put in, or the game and it's community. I respect everything you do, and would like to motion for a more in depth look at the logs.
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Spartan_warrior again...
He was given permission to receive his share of 100 hydro bars ONLY (that is what he asked for, his share of 100 finished hydro bars from the LNX project) from that one project onto his new character that would be empty and devoid of anything. Nothing else. No other supplies, nothing. Not the hundreds of thousands of fe's, fe ingredients, dragon armours of all varieties, , medallions, loads of gc, etc etc etc. Nor was he given permission to steal from bots.
He also was told not to get anything back from pyromaniac, or any manipulation of getting stuff from one character to another. That includes ALL characters, he is not to be moving stuff around using middlemen or bots. Especially stealing from bots to pay other people to stock him back up.
Not only that, but now we have the fleja new character renamed spartan_warrior on 10-10-2010 doing trades after like it was the old spartan_warrior character, which it is NOT allowed. He was explicitly forbidden to do this.
I see what looks like payment to certain people to restock him up on his alts and new supposedly-empty spartan_warrior character with all the goodies stolen from the bots.
There are also a few other people who's logs are going to be looked into with this mess, I am NOT happy. You know who you are.
What the heck is wrong with everybody?
As to the bot spamming and scamming, no no no no.
Seriously I am tired of trouble with spartan_warrior, he has been nothing but a drain on moderator time since he returned to the game. He knows better. It looks like he is going through the list of rules one by one and looking for anything NOT mentioned specifically so that he can try to make as much trouble as he can within the "letter of the law" as he sees it.
And every time it is "but I didn't know xyz SPECIFICALLY wasn't allowed....." ENOUGH ALREADY!
He is totally abusing what he thinks are loopholes or bad things left out of the rules, people like him are why we have rules like #25 and the "spirit of the rules" clause.
This is not like it's a nice guy who accidentally spammed a bot and got an advantage.
He also was grilling me on the specifics of rule 5 in GREAT detail so he could find ways around it. The spirit of the rules protects us from this. If you are looking for a way around the rule, you are looking to break it!
I see no reason to unlock or unban. EL doesn't need this garbage and as I've said before, I would rather keep the folks who aren't going out of their way to cheat, scam, steal, and otherwise hurt other people.
Before I begin to ask for an appeal, I would like to petition this thread be discussed in a private medium so that I can disclose personal information. Is there anything that can be done for that.
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Last thing I read in console was "You were booted by asgnnny," for the Onuris character. Please let me know when he will be unbanned because as I was booted the "No Spamming" rule was highlighted in red. Had I known spamming tradebots was against the rules I wouldn't have done so, I thought nothing of it and apologize for breaking the rule. I have no gripes, complaints, or excuses, merely a question as to when I will be unbanned please.
Thanks
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Yes, technically 7500 gc is not destroyed, but you're sto is now worth 7500 gc less than what it was before the breakage.
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Yes the gc is in the game, but the gc you had, your item had a value worth of gc at any given point. That value was destroyed, ergo, gc was destroyed.
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i took it out of context, he was talking about bralex/val. post was edited accordingly.