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#1 Gohan

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Posted 31 October 2006 - 01:15 AM

I just asked Radu if I could put up a list of animals/monsters a/d here. He said it was ok so I'll start it here.
At the moment, there's not much I can think of to add yet but the Chims, fluf, cyc, yeti, giant and a few others, but as I go I will edit this list and you can all use it as a reference for when you're going out fighting.

List animals:

Fox: 19/18
Deer: 19/19
Boar - 20/20
Wolf - 26/20
Giant Spider: 28/30
Puma - 34/30
Snow Leopard - 37/37

List monsters:

Male Goblin - 28/25
Skeleton (unarmed) - 33/28
Small Gargoyle - 30/30
Female Goblin - 32/35
Wingless Gargoyle - 34/34
Tall Gargoyle - 36/36
Male Armed Goblin: 36/40
Male Orc - 60/40
Troll - 60/25
Male Ogre - 70/50
Female Armed Orc - 70/65
Male Armed Orc - 75/70
Cyclops - 80/80
Fluffy Rabbit - 95/95
Desert Chimeran - 100/100
Forest Chimeran - 110/100 (I think, something changed with the exp recently but I should re-check.)
Mountain Chimeran - 115/115
Arctic Chimeran - 130/130
Yeti - 125/125
Giant - 145/145

If you know any a/d for monsters/animals not listed, PM them to me ingame or here on the forum. Be 100% sure that you're correct with your information though! I wouldn't want to put false information here. Maybe you can put up the reason why you say this or that a/d.

-Blee

P.S. IF you are Godless and you train on a monster/animal not listed. You can PM me here on the forum with the following things: your a/d levels, rationality, the exp per hit/dodge. Then I may be able to calculate the a/d without having to go out and check it all myself.

31/10 -> Added Troll, Female and Male armed orcs. Also male orc. Troll and male orc miss def lvl.
08/11 -> Added many animals/monster from player info. Thank for all the info peeps!


BTW, when this list gets finished, I'll make a file with the full list where you can easily scroll through. So if you can help me complete this list then I can complete the file sooner too.

Edited by BleedingSoul, 09 November 2006 - 04:01 PM.


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Posted 31 October 2006 - 01:35 AM

Nice Blee. :P

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Posted 31 October 2006 - 01:40 AM

lol @ 150/150 p/c, I assure you this is not the case, how do you think people train on it then with same a/d or lower and only 60/60 or so of p/c?

As for gods, you can just divide by 1.2 to get the exp without god.

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Posted 31 October 2006 - 01:43 AM

lol @ 150/150 p/c, I assure you this is not the case, how do you think people train on it then with same a/d or lower and only 60/60 or so of p/c?

As for gods, you can just divide by 1.2 to get the exp without god.


I've tried calculating with gods a couple times and I tend to miss the correct exp by 1 point. :-S
Which if why I'd rather have help from godless people, it makes it a little bit easier for me.

And ye, you're right, its kinda ridiculous but I figured I'd put it there, I'll remove it.

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Posted 31 October 2006 - 01:52 AM

The gods thing should work, I dunno if though, lets say your exp was 84.6 or so, it rounds up to 85 or takes integer as 84, you'd have to test that a bit

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Posted 31 October 2006 - 01:57 AM

The gods thing should work, I dunno if though, lets say your exp was 84.6 or so, it rounds up to 85 or takes integer as 84, you'd have to test that a bit


That was the odd thing. When I had a number between 0 and 5, I rounded down. And the exp was rounded up.
When I got a number of 5 to 9, I rounded up and the exp got rounded down. -.-'

So that why I would rather get Godless peeps. :P

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Posted 31 October 2006 - 02:06 AM

you're on your own then :P Posted Image

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Posted 31 October 2006 - 09:25 AM

Doesn't have to be godless... Just not serving a 'pk' god (not talking about PkG :))

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Posted 31 October 2006 - 10:47 AM

why dont radu just put the list here of lvls :)

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Posted 31 October 2006 - 01:07 PM

why dont radu just put the list here of lvls :whistle:

Because it is better when pepole find it by themselfs, so they believe that these levels are true?

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Posted 31 October 2006 - 01:16 PM


why dont radu just put the list here of lvls :(

Because it is better when pepole find it by themselfs, so they believe that these levels are true?


Just want to tell you, when I came up with these levels I got a lot of protest from high leveled players saying I was wrong. Too many people still believe monster and player experience is different.
I promise to give you accurate information, though. There's a few things I can only guess for, but that should be a minimum.

Note @ Entropy: I wouldn't mind if you could comment on the accuracy of the levels I put here. :) If you want to. :whistle:

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Posted 31 October 2006 - 02:00 PM

Finally :)
Im sure fluffy, dcw, mc, yeti and ac a/d is right as u said.
About fc, yes, they have 110-111 attack lvl( like old mc), i didnt checked on them recently, so they might have more def than before( about a month ago fc was very low def, a lot lower than dcw, maybe like fluffy or even lower than fluffy).
About giants:i think only few ppl could block their blows, so its not that easy 2 check their a/d, but from my experience u might be right abouth them 2(i killed only 50 giants and i cannot compare exp from them to any1 since no1 is 140+a/d so i cannot be 100% sure ).
About low lvl creatures: hm, idk, when i reseted i killed an ogre barehanded with 4p/c and got pr0 exp from it( 5 to attack and 7 to defence :whistle: ).

Anyways, im glad that some1 finaly made post such like this, no more speculations about fluffy 100a/d and mc 120a/d from players who train on ogre's ;>

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Posted 31 October 2006 - 02:08 PM

i stil think flufy is 100 a/d :(

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Posted 31 October 2006 - 02:14 PM

Finally :(
Im sure fluffy, dcw, mc, yeti and ac a/d is right as u said.
About fc (1), yes, they have 110-111 attack lvl( like old mc), i didnt checked on them recently, so they might have more def than before( about a month ago fc was very low def, a lot lower than dcw, maybe like fluffy or even lower than fluffy).
About giants(2):i think only few ppl could block their blows, so its not that easy 2 check their a/d, but from my experience u might be right abouth them 2(i killed only 50 giants and i cannot compare exp from them to any1 since no1 is 140+a/d so i cannot be 100% sure ).
About low lvl creatures: hm, idk, when i reseted i killed an ogre barehanded with 4p/c and got pr0 exp from it( 5 to attack and 7 to defence :whistle: ).

Anyways, im glad that some1 finaly made post such like this, no more speculations about fluffy 100a/d and mc 120a/d from players who train on ogre's ;>

eMPi


1) I did a check-up on the forest chims, the a/d above is correct.
2) I can't know their attack, too high for me to dodge personally. I can hit them with cutlass tho. :) So I calc'ed def lvl and took same atk lvl.

And no probs for this post. Its about time I publically erase the damn rumors on 100/100 fluffies, 110/110 D chims, etc... :)

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Posted 31 October 2006 - 02:35 PM

i dont believe anything until some1 show me good evidence :whistle:

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Posted 31 October 2006 - 03:09 PM

i dont believe anything until some1 show me good evidence :(


Ok. I'll give you the formula to calculate a/d exp per hit/dodge.

For atk: (Def level opponent)*2 - (Own att lvl) + 1/3 rationality. (Optional +20% from god)
For def: (Atk level opponent)*2 - (Own def lvl) + 1/3 rationality. (Optional +20% from god)

You think that Fluffy Rabbit a/d is -> 100/100. Lets try the formula. I'll use my own stats in it.

My stats:
a/d -> 98/98
Rationality -> 12
Godless.


Atk: 100*2 - 98 + 4 = 106 atk per hit
Def: 100*2 - 98 + 4 = 106 def per dodge

Oops, that doesn't match with the exp I get. :whistle:

Lets try with my statement of Fluffy Rabbit a/d is -> 95/95.

Atk: 95*2 - 98 + 4 = 96 atk per hit
Def: 95*2 - 98 + 4 = 96 def per dodge

Well, well.. Would you look at that.. it matches! And to prove it, here's a little picture.

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Got your evidence. Now believe what I say. :)

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Posted 31 October 2006 - 03:29 PM

im not a math genious, formulas say nothing to me.. ;P

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Posted 31 October 2006 - 04:47 PM

Go back to school then.

If anyone got info for me to add, PM me here on the forum, I'm going on a weekend and won't be back until sunday evening. Cya all then.

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P.S. Do not spam this topic with byes to me, kk?

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Posted 31 October 2006 - 05:03 PM

Creature defance:
(my attack - my rationality/3 + attack xp)/2

Creature attack:
/my defance - my rationality/3 + defance xp)/2
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Tall gargoyle: A: 36 D: 36
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Medium gargoyle: A: 35 D: 37
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Large spider: A: 28 D: 30
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Fox: A: 19 D: 18
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Wolf A: 26 D: 20
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Deer A: 19 D: 19
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Desert Chimeran A: 100 D: 100
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Fluffy A: 95 D: 95
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Male Armed Goblin A: 36 D: 40
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here are my moster stats, that i collect, i get formula form elmanual

tip: if you calculating but have att or def god, just do it this way: xp with god / 1.2 = normal xp without god

Cheers!

Edited by Torr, 31 October 2006 - 05:04 PM.


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Posted 01 November 2006 - 12:16 AM

Wow, thanks. I've been collecting a/d exp based on my a/d levels info for a few weeks. I was planning of doing the math sometime soon, but you saved my the trouble. The only problem I had is that my Rationality is 11, so I'm not sure if I should use 3 or 4. If this thread won't be closed or deleted for some reason, I'll probably post the a/d of many of the low level creatures tomorrow.




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