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Hi All,

 

JUst letting you know don't trust Dleh he/she scammed by db in instance and i lost over 150k gc plus my 2 rosts i sacrificed in instance and my team won and i still got no loot either.

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ermm sorry but I cant understand what exactly you mean, how were you scammed exactly? If you dropped a bag, (while not nice to take it in an instance, or otherwise) then you weren't scammed

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I believe he is saying that he lost 2 rosto in instance with the team. He died a 3rd time dropping some of his gear and saying Dleh took his death bag. Also he is saying he didn't receive any share of the instance drops after it ended.

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Taking a db is not a scam, but the result of a risk you took (going back without rosto), a gamble you lost.

You also are not entitled in any way to getting a share of the loot, if people share gc that is kind of them, but not required. Sounds like your choice was to go back and get the xp, rather than give up.

I see no proof about who took the bag, or indeed that a bag was taken.

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Hi,

 

while this actually doesn't fit the definition of a scam, I do understand strider's point here: A warning not to trust Dleh when it comes to instances - if what supposedly happened is true.

 

I don't know strider8, nor do I know anything of what happened in that instance, but from my (little) experience with Dleh (from invances etc.) I did not expect some behavior like this from him!

 

=> Therefore I'd really like to see Dleh pick up the chance to save his reputation and comment on the accusations made here !!

 

Trustbot (/Trustbot details Dleh) gives a somewhat negative impression, but on the other hand three votes can hardly be called representative...

 

The thing that surprised me most in this thread however, was the rather adverse nature of most replies to strider's initial post: "your own fault... not a scam..."

While it might have been wise to use a little more caution with an instance team he aparently didn't (fully) know, I'd personally rather put the emphasis on the point of instances: Team play, trust, joint effort for a significant reward. If I join an instance team I EXPECT from the others in my team to naturally save (and return) my DB and share the reward, even if I fell out of the instance for whatever reason.

If I can't expect that from the members of the team (or at least didn't know and fully trust a part of that team who'd vouch for the others) I probably wouldn't join.

 

... just my thoughts on the topic in general.

 

I'm really looking forward to hear what Dleh has to say to this - if he won't bother to say anything then that fact would speak for itsem as well in my opinion ;)

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Taking a db is not a scam, but the result of a risk you took (going back without rosto), a gamble you lost.

You also are not entitled in any way to getting a share of the loot, if people share gc that is kind of them, but not required. Sounds like your choice was to go back and get the xp, rather than give up.

I see no proof about who took the bag, or indeed that a bag was taken.

 

 

Just wondering (for clarification): Were you commenting on behaviour of an invance participant (Iscalrith) or an instance team member? From the way you worded things ("... go back and get the xp..."), I got the impression you did the former.

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I agree with Gwaew: the point here is don't trust Dleh in instance.

 

Edit: ofc, assuming strider8 story is right :)

Edited by Domino

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I agree with Gwaew: the point here is don't trust Dleh in instance.

 

Edit: ofc, assuming strider8 story is right :)

Exactly, assuming strider8's story is right and complete

 

As posted, there's exactly nothing to show what happened, not even mention of other members of the team (and there's no way they could have been there with just the two of them, see: http://www.eternal-lands.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=56379)

 

 

@gwaew: strider talks about instance, Maxine assumes he went back voluntarily w/o rosto. I don't know who is right (but let us assume strider does know where he went), but afaik, in instance you don't have all that much choice, in that you are teleported back to start when you die with a rosto in invventory. (You can of course teleport out whenever you want, that's what the system of paid enters uses).

Edited by revi

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Ok. Now let me clarify what happened.
I've been given information about this aspect from 2 participants from that instance, so I assume is close to accurate.

 

Strider - apparently drunk - goes into an instance with a team of 4 other fellas (DleH among them).

During instance his Staff of Protection breaks, then due to some (disputed) reasons he dies 3 times, loosing 2 Rostogol stones and armor of app 200.000 gold coins value (Titainum platemail, Titanium Greaves, Emerald Claymore, Halberd, etc)

I was told, that at certain point, Strider started cursing his team mates and having quite an indecent discourse towards them, telling them that he died/broke stuff because of their failure to act as a team
The other party said that Strider died 3 times because he didn't listen to his team.

Although, I agree that Strider's language and behavior wasn't at all decent, although I agree that going drunk may involve loosing your share of the cut, taking his DB and not answering to his PM's next day(s) goes beyond an OK behaviour.

(Edited for some clarifications+i found the contents of the db)

Edited by Mythos

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I would never take a db in instance, but in an instance you rely heavily on your team. I think anyone who takes a db in an instance should not be trusted or even be included in a team, my only issue was that taking a db (any db) is not scamming. If he was drunk and abusive I can understand him not getting a share, but,again, I myself probably would give him a share, just to help offset his losses.

Edited by Starlite

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From Viper's story, sounds to me like Strider was out of line and the team decided to take it out on him.

 

Can anyone else in the team confirm that this is what happened?

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Sorry, misread instance as invance (got confused by the 'winning' part).

Still, if you lose your last rosto in an instance, you can either borrow one or sit out. If you team wants you to continue to help, they will probably lend you a rosto.

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Assuming that the info above is accurate:

 

You went in there drunk and not in mint condition and there for died several times and caused the team a head ache - That's on You and Your own fault and you probably caused more trouble then doing good so I can go for you Not getting a share of the loot.

 

I do think that the DB should be returned though, keep the loot but give back the DB..

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What happened was when i died the 3rd time i asked for some1 to get my db in a nice manner and no1 would answer me then sdanny starting abusing me for talking to much and all i wanted was a simple yes or no to get my db back and thats why i got angry at end. I was tank and what they thought was being stupid wasn't and they didnt have my back and when i said i was drunk i wasn't wasted i could still think straight. Also ino it isn't a scam but dleh called me a scammer when i asked for my db back and i am not a scammer dont know where Dleh got this from. Amen!!!

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Fist time he died because of low mana [20:17:28] [stRiDeR @ 10010]: i had 1 less mana for restore lol



second time was him running to far in front of us and attacking mulitple targets , we told him serveral times not to run off and stay with us



[20:20:05] sDanny: back

[20:22:05] sDanny: back strider

[20:22:35] sDanny: strider!

[20:22:38] sDanny: back

[20:23:26] Leshta: bagck

[20:25:21] sDanny: back

[20:25:30] [sDanny @ 10010]: go back

[20:28:25] [sDanny @ 10010]: strider!

[20:28:30] [Leshta @ 10010]: face palm

[20:28:33] [sDanny @ 10010]: listen for once man

[20:28:38] [Dleh @ 10010]: let them come to us

[20:28:42] [sDanny @ 10010]: STAY BACK AND WAIT

[20:29:31] StRiDeR is on his way to the promised land.

[20:29:41] [stRiDeR @ 10010]: fck i dissed

[20:29:47] [stRiDeR @ 10010]: so bs

[20:29:57] [stRiDeR @ 10010]: man i ahte tank

[20:30:03] [stRiDeR @ 10010]: is any1 attacking

[20:30:31] [stRiDeR @ 10010]: i was vs 1

[20:30:33] [stRiDeR @ 10010]: go in

[20:30:41] [stRiDeR @ 10010]: it aint LoL

[20:30:49] [Leshta @ 10010]: who told you to go that forward




3e time he died was again walking far in front of us and attacking multiple nasps

Leshta: strider carefull!!!

[21:01:08] StRiDeR has gone by way of the Dodo bird.

[21:01:13] [stRiDeR @ 10010]: fck

[21:01:21] [stRiDeR @ 10010]: doubl attack

[21:01:29] [stRiDeR @ 10010]: fck wow

[21:01:49] [stRiDeR @ 10010]: im out

[21:02:08] [stRiDeR @ 10010]: U OWE ME MY ARMOUR BACK LOW

[21:03:17] [stRiDeR @ 10010]: if i go to bed now will u save my stuff next time i play

[21:07:41] [stRiDeR @ 10010]: i just wan to know who has my struff so i can ape tehm


He kept talking about he wanned to go to bed and we told him to go and we talk to him the day after, but he want all mad so i put him on ignore after that i dont know what happend, or what is been said

[21:08:43] [stRiDeR @ 10010]: its light here i need to sleep

[21:08:52] [sDanny @ 10010]: than go

[21:08:54] [stRiDeR @ 10010]: i just dot want toi lose my stuff

[21:09:02] [stRiDeR @ 10010]: fck up pls

[21:09:05] [Dleh @ 10010]: ..

[21:09:23] [stRiDeR @ 10010]: dont be a cunt

[21:09:38] [stRiDeR @ 10010]: wish i could fkn reort u

[21:09:40] strider was added to your ignore list!


[21:10:59] Dleh: he so noisy

[21:11:04] [Leshta @ 10010]: CALM down you will get your staff


[21:11:32] Dleh: hes takin the piss out of people

[21:12:24] Dleh: [stRiDeR @ 10010]: bye and fck u sdanny


left all the GM, PM, heals and other unnessesary chat away, just wanned to clear up dleh is not the bad person

i got the full chatlog so i can show u everything, just dont wanna waste my time on this anymore



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There is NO disagreement regarding Strider's behaviour. He behaved idiotically, and to a certain extent, maybe ruined instance.
Regardless of what he did, you have NO excuse for keeping his death-bag.

I personally had enough of this PM drama, which contradicts my casual, fun, stress-free, drama-free, adult gaming experience.
You and your guilds had enough time to return his death-bag and you didn't. I have NO problem with that, it's your choice and your guild's choice.

But I had enough of this Robin Hood Nuns-like approach (we kept the db for ourselves cause he is a bad person). Ok. Got it. Have fun. So would I.

Edited by Mythos

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IMHO you should give back Striders DB but never instance with him again.

 

thats what i tought, at least not as tank till he got some more exprerience in instances :)

and they said who had the stuff but in local as i saw yesterday in my chatlog, but i cant help u with ur stuff

Edited by sdanny

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