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Too Many Bots?

Are there too many bots in the game?  

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  1. 1. Are there too many bots in the game?

    • Yes, reduce the number of bots.
      17
    • Yes, Eliminate ALL bots.
      15
    • No, Fine as is.
      24
    • No, we need more!
      15
    • What's a bot? I only see a fork!
      3
    • There is no fork!!!
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I agree, it's not a lot now, but there are... like what... 7-8 of them right now... in a matter of days. It's not hard to predict what will (well... might) happen soon.

Sure, some of them are helpful. Quintus/nera/linux/charon or something are okay. But a bot at a few key positions in the game is different from a bot at every corner...

 

Blitzo

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I think simma makes a very good point though:

 

Shouldn't the bots serve some purpose in the game? I mean, we already have certain bots, but they're largely unspecialised. I think if people want to have any new bots, they should propose a plan for how their bots can be used to contribute to the game community, instead of just their own private programming project (yay! Alliteration! :blink: ).

 

Currently, we have Ants that develop AI and test for bugs.

We have the trade bots: Nera, Quintus, Adarah, Linux, Banquo and Charon. (May have missed a couple...)

We have the entertainment bot Nelson.

 

The rest are just chatbots that don't serve any purpose. There are some other useful bots under development such as Messagerunner and Questor, which have a clearly-defined and beneficial purpose.

 

Why not make it that any future bot-programmers must justify why their bot should be created and what it would do to help the game, and then need either Ent or one of the admin's approval before continuing?

 

-Lyn-

 

EDIT: Trade bots also include Blacketeer and Angsul. Entertainment bot under development is chatterbug_89. I know CK is also developing redknight to be a bard.

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There is: Nera, Adarah, Quintus, Linux, Banquo and one more but I forgot nick.

Charon not counts because it is not store bot in strict sense of this word...

 

Regards.

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Charon IS a storebot... in an unusual spot perhaps, but a storebot nonetheless. But he's an example of a GOOD storebot in my eyes. At a useful, sensible position.

 

But, IMO, no offence to the owner... Banquo is like 50 feet from nera's position. Of course, the owner has every right to, but I believe this will happen more and more in due time... I might be wrong, sure, but...

 

For non-storebot issues I agree with ly, and therefore with simma too.

 

Blitzo

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Charon's purpose is not a profit for me, ATM he has about 5k gold and I think I will buy rings for

that if I will be too lazy or too busy to make it.

 

Regards.

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Well, he's a special case perhaps, but in my eyes a storebot nonetheless. But, anyways, everyone's opinion on that can be different, so the forums aren't the place to be discussing it... Will just clutter it up with out conversation :blink:.

 

Blitzo

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Yes, exactly. In my opinion, Charon is worth nearly all the other storebots combined, because he (she?) serves a good purpose, and is rightly-located.

 

But irregardless, that makes it EIGHT trade-bots already. Enough is enough, don't you think? Why not focus on other functions that bots may play in the game?

 

Suggestions:

- Synchronised Dance Troupes

- Bards

- Guides (i.e. PM them with "Take me to ___" and they will do so)

- Auction bot (already under development, but I thought it was a good idea)

- Mercenaries (hire a bot for certain amounts of gold to protect you on a dangerous but non-PK map...)

- Healers

 

 

-Lyn-

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Yes, exactly. In my opinion, Charon is worth nearly all the other storebots combined, because he (she?) serves a good purpose, and is rightly-located.

 

But irregardless, that makes it EIGHT trade-bots already. Enough is enough, don't you think? Why not focus on other functions that bots may play in the game?

 

Suggestions:

- Synchronised Dance Troupes

- Bards

- Guides (i.e. PM them with "Take me to ___" and they will do so)

- Auction bot (already under development, but I thought it was a good idea)

- Mercenaries (hire a bot for certain amounts of gold to protect you on a dangerous but non-PK map...)

- Healers

 

 

-Lyn-

Scratch the mercenaries...there are always bugs in programming, and that is not a great place to have one found... (ie not protecting, freezing, logging out would make people angry).

 

BTW-red_knight is almost done...all I need are more stories, and accompanying actions (easy).

My take...some limit is needed, but we aren't overflowing yet.

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Charon is HE, and he is doing that what he was doing since thousands of years - leading people thru hell.

 

Regards.

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LOL...all this about people who have bots and the people who dont' isen't fair...Come on!

 

ANYONE can go ahead, learn a langauge, and make a bot! It is totally fair because anyone who has the time, and or will to do it can (I would recomend learnign some langauges...use C...or if you are in Algebra two learn TI-BASIC so you can create cool programs to do your math problems and impress your freinds B) ).

 

I have noticed soemthign thou...it seems a couple of the store bots opperate excactly the same as OTHER store bots...As much fun as I had with that EL Bot thing that that guy put out...I think it is a bad idea to give people access to premade bots...they can make their own :blink: (I'm still learnign C...acutally i'm learning TI-BASIC, PHP, C, BASH Shell Scripting, and if I have time some TI-Calculator Assembly Language).

 

Finally...aobut this the bots not doing anything except selling for people. I'm working on a who want's to be a millionare bot so you wont' be able to say that anymore :P

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Usually most bots works same way to not confuse people, for example Linux had command STOCK

to display her items, but I saw in logs that people are alot of time sending her INV like Adarah and

Nera has, so I've changed STOCK to INV.

 

Regards.

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Maybe u all should consider that alot of NEW trade bots AREN't Following the rules!

 

CAN ANYONE TELL ME that all these trading bots have permission to excist or been payed for excistense...

 

if they are getting overpopulated, entropy will have a little wipe out with ease, cause there many illegals (Like Plat said)

 

So all just stop bugging, this is a addictive game... many nerds (people with skills, xcept for looking at his/her screen), programmers etc are in the game..

 

IF u are bothered by the fact u cant make a bot, but others can...

do the following things:

- download a compiler, like dev c++

- go to the local library or book shop and get a C-tutorial book!

- GET URSELF SOME PROGRAM EXPERIENCE!!!!!!

 

u think people like plat and learner didnt spend alot of time in it to learn to make that bots, and really make them aswell....

 

Regards ( :blink: ) (*winks 2 plat*)

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I'm not bothered by the fact that I can't make one and others can (though I might be able to myself, seeing u can download the code anywho). I'm bothered by the fact the bot population in EL could very much skyrocket in the following weeks/months.

 

Unless these bots have new ways to contribute to the game, I don't really like em.

The number of storebots right now is close to perfect (IMO), and I would like to keep it that way.

 

Blitzo

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Anyway after Linux there came alot other bots for example Tendor's one, I told him it is now illegal but

he don't especially care.

It's nice that you told Tendor that Banquo is illegal, but you should have told ME, because I made the bot and run it usually. But all you did was trying to make fun of me and sent me some pms which made me wonder what kind of person you are in real life...

I'm just wondering how you as the owner of Linux do tell ppl that trading bots are illegal. Are you the great exception?

 

BTW, one question to clear things up a little: Are trading bots illegal by mere existance, or do they have be paid for to be legal or are you just ****** off that you are not the only one having a polite trading bot, teh banned 0n3na? And I would like to hear an answer to this question from someone with autority who is NOT teh banned 0n3na please... :ph34r:

 

I don't want to break the rules but I need to know them and I want to know them from someone that I'm sure of not just want to see my bot shut down...

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Anyway after Linux there came alot other bots for example Tendor's one, I told him it is now illegal but

he don't especially care.

It's nice that you told Tendor that Banquo is illegal, but you should have told ME, because I made the bot and run it usually. But all you did was trying to make fun of me and sent me some pms which made me wonder what kind of person you are in real life...

I'm just wondering how you as the owner of Linux do tell ppl that trading bots are illegal. Are you the great exception?

 

BTW, one question to clear things up a little: Are trading bots illegal by mere existance, or do they have be paid for to be legal or are you just ****** off that you are not the only one having a polite trading bot, teh banned 0n3na? And I would like to hear an answer to this question from someone with autority who is NOT teh banned 0n3na please... :ph34r:

 

I don't want to break the rules but I need to know them and I want to know them from someone that I'm sure of not just want to see my bot shut down...

1. I told Tendor because it was looking that it is his bot.

2. Not all storebots are illegal, only those not paid. My bot would be also illegal if not that I got special

permission from Entropy to run it, because it is also Learner's bot. It is not my fault Entropy set rules

like that. You have to pay 100 USD to Entropy to make this bot "official" it also will have some nice

features like its own spot and high carryload.

3. I've told you that your bot possibly has DoS in it (it surely has it because Linux had same bug), not

felt like telling you details because of your defensive behaviour, it is also not my fault you bot has a bug.

I wasn't attacking you or making fun at you, you are too touchy I think.

 

Regards.

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1. I told Tendor because it was looking that it is his bot.

2. Not all storebots are illegal, only those not paid. My bot would be also illegal if not that I got special

permission from Entropy to run it, because it is also Learner's bot. It is not my fault Entropy set rules

like that. You have to pay 100 USD to Entropy to make this bot "official" it also will have some nice

features like its own spot and high carryload.

3. I've told you that your bot possibly has DoS in it (it surely has it because Linux had same bug), not

felt like telling you details because of your defensive behaviour, it is also not my fault you bot has a bug.

I wasn't attacking you or making fun at you, you are too touchy I think.

 

Regards.

1. I told about my bot in the Forums. So if there is a problem, I am the one to contact about.

2. You didn't event tell me it was illegal nor did anybody else up to now. So if I sum up your 2nd point: Every bot is illegal (even when under development and no chat bot and no storage bot) if you haven't got a special permission by Entropy or you paid 100 USD?

3. Please tell me how one is supposed run a DoS on the bot if he's limited to sending not more than 4 pm per second? I fixed several timing issues and of course I don't blame you for the bugs I produce in my code.

All I say is that I dislike people who are proud of their knowledge (that is okay) but are unwilling to share it. Who keep it a secret -- just to be the one who knows and others dont...

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1. I was too lazy to read bot thread on forums, it is thread to read for admins, I am not admin. ;-)

2. I told Tendor, if he is your friend he should inform you. You were offline.

Storebots are illegal till you will pay 100 USD or get special permission from Entropy.

3. Haven't noticed any delay between her messages, there should be delay after every messages she

sends I think. And I would tell you that if I would not be treaten in very rude way.

 

Regards.

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3. Haven't noticed any delay between her messages, there should be delay after every messages she

sends I think. And I would tell you that if I would not be treaten in very rude way.

There is a small delay (0.1 sec) between each message and there is a delay of half a second if the bot wants to send more than 3 messages in one second.

I didn't want to treat you in a rude way and if you felt I was, I beg your pardon. But you have to understand that I also feel being treated rude by you...

However I'd like one of the Admins to say a word about this issue. <_<

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Last thing said on bots i wanna know!!! Do the owners ineteract with the bots/mules.. if so sounds like they pay $100 for a mule type charcter. They can fill it with supplies at good location such as a veggie garden..hehe.. and sit there and make things to sell... then take the money,, wouldnt this mean they are using 2 char to get ahead of the game kinda like a mule.... well i cant always run to sell something either or i would be sittin somewhere waitin for people all the time and couldnt play.. so if in a sense this means we can by an extra char to work with ours in some way legally then so be it .. if not then i fell bots interacting with there owner is a mule...if they sell stuff and owner takes the money... you should hold a contest and spread the wealth like i do .. i outbidded a bot owner on some ele and she flipped... well thats what we have to do too control you bot owners also is pay more from other players so you dont own the market cause your so rich...

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well thats what we have to do too control you bot owners also is pay more from other players so you dont own the market cause your so rich...

 

Amen.

 

Reason #241 I am waiting for p2p.

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Bongo is happy developing Nelson

Cough... Ahem.... Cough....

Oups, edit0r3d. ;-)

 

Regards.

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If i pay with like ingame items can i have that scum Nelson ignore me? oh god pleeease?!

 

[Edit]Wouldnt it be cool if you could also pay to get nelson to be eviler against some ppl? *devilish smile*[/EDIT]

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Suggestions:

- Synchronised Dance Troupes

- Bards

- Guides (i.e. PM them with "Take me to ___" and they will do so)

- Auction bot (already under development, but I thought it was a good idea)

- Mercenaries (hire a bot for certain amounts of gold to protect you on a dangerous but non-PK map...)

- Healers

 

 

-Lyn-

 

Hm, make a bot heal nearby people wouldn't be too hard except for the ressources for the spell. I'll gladly implement that if the community is interested in it and some people would share there ressources for that cause I don't have the time to do that. I have a server+database so I could run the bot 24/7 with simple user authentication. I just need the ok from an Admin or Entropy and I'll start right away though I'll have to teach him remote healing first which will take some time but I'll do that too.

 

I think it's fair enough to do something for the community if you have the skills to make a bot cause C is not an easy language and you should have some basic knowledge about network protocols and buffer overflow to avoid security issues and DoS problems.

 

Falyala

 

P.S.: Entropy, if you're intested in the code just contact me but it's written in Java and not in C :)

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Yay!! :D Go ahead, Falyala...and make it so that people are able to donate resources (money or essences) to your Healer bot. I'd support it. :D You'd have to find a way to prevent abuse, though (maybe heal only those under 50 max MP, or those with attack/defense levels less than 15) as well as filter out bots (like the Ants) to prevent unnecessary wastage. (Might want to set a time limit before the next heal as well, so that people spamming #suicide won't abuse it)

 

-Lyn-

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