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I was thinking back to when I was a newbie and what it was that I did or others did for me that perhaps is responsible for my still playing today.  I started playing in 2007.  I was one of the newbiest noobs you could find...dummer than sin.   I didnt listen to the newbie advice of not leaving IP right away and I left and got lost and totally didnt understand I could go back by just beaming...so I wandered around until I died and ended up back on IP and then I had no idea where I was actually.  I had trouble walking, didnt know how to eat and regain health, didnt know I could get free heals, as I didnt do the tutorial and I didnt pay attention...this was my very first computer game.  I didnt have any kind of aptitude for it at all.  But I am not a quitter and I finally figured out there was a tutorial and did it.  Very slowly learned just a bit and then my big break was I was in DP getting sulfur for FES that is all I knew how to do to make money is make FES and sell them to the magic store.  So I met Wildfire and he talked me into joining The Hand guild, which all it was was a harvesting guild.  So I started harvesting like mad and I got pretty wealthy for a dumb old noob and reading books, but what happened to make this all happen was I found some players at least more experienced than I was and I mentored with them.  We didnt call it that but that is what it was.  I followed my mentors and did what they told me to do.  As I realized I sucked at playing and I needed to get help from those people who were better at it than I was.  And today I still have so much appreciation for those who mentored me.  Those who I can say were mentors for me were early on Cancowgirl, Wildfire, and later Graywolf and Bigbass, and Caecus.  Without their guidance and care I would not have lasted.  

So why bring this up?  I think we would all like to see our game continue and one way to show it was going to make it as a game is that we would have some new blood drifting in and staying.  It would be good for all of us to get a broader player base.  To have more active players.  It would make the game better, our ecomony would improve, and we all would feel better about our game which we all love or we wouldnt be here.  Those who like to complain about the game who nonetheless show up to play everyday are not very convincing about how much they hate the game.  And complaining is simply not ever going to make the game better, so I would prefer to concentrate on things that will improve it.  And there are.

One thing we should all of us be watching for any true newbies, as opposed to alts.  True newbies should be a priority for all of those of us who care about the game.  We should step up to help them, which means we would mentor them...for many people who come to EL are the same as I was...they have no experience with games or little and need a lot of help.  I personally have mentored many newbies myself when I was an officer in BoC guild.  It takes energy and sometimes gets tiring but it is very rewarding too.  Mostly.  Sometimes you get a real loser and then if you try with them and you find they are just using you and not worthy of your efforts then I let them go...but when you find one who is really serious about learning the game and appreciative of your efforts to help them, it is really very rewarding then.  That makes up for the more negative times when the newbie is not so nice.  

I think some people shy away from helping newbies but really all of us who want EL to continue as a game should make a point to help either mentor true newbies we meet or help them find other good solid members of our community to mentor them.  At least point them in the right direction.  And do let  them into our guilds.  It is tempting not to invite a newbie, they can bring lots of trouble and we dont know them...but we should put aside our worries and try to at least give each newbie a chance.  They can't  really actually do that much damage before we are on to them anyway.   We as a community have survived Morath-and most of the really bad players never stay cause they have no friends for one thing.  I think the case for mentoring newbies and embracing them and helping them become a part of our game and our community is pretty strong.  I am hoping with the improvements to our android app we might see more new blood from time to time coming into EL and when we do I am hoping that we will rise up as a community and work to embrace the new players and take the time to mentor them.  For one they will become better members of our community because of our efforts and they might just stick around too.  That would be worthwhile.   Lol not that I like Trump but to use his motto.....Lets Make EL Great Again!  We can.  You can listen to the defeatists cry that EL is finished.  Or you can work to make it grow again.  If we all listen to the defeatists then fail it will.  If we simply ignore them, though, we can make EL even better than it ever was....Dont be sucked into negativity.  Its not over til its over....

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One big problems with new player chars, is old players creating new chars and pretending to be new player. get some free stuff from nice players etc and then people find out they got scammed and stop doing it. I am happy to help new players when i see them but i went wary as to if they are really new or not

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I've had interaction with what seems to be a genuinely new player, within the past week, who said they were talking to people who wanted to give them everything and wouldn't take that they (the new player) wanted to figure things out for themselves.

 

Sure, help new players, but don't smother them with help. Part of the appeal of EL is the depth and figuring things out on your own.

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Given to much information as a new player can be overwhelming...make a friend and tell them if they need any help/info to PM you.

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Just don't spoil them and it should be cool whether it's an alt or not, newbies don't need stuff they just need some advice, I can't really picture an alt sticking around for days ans asking questions about anything in game

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that did not happen, and no i do not spoil newbees, i give them advice, and a so called starter kit of some augmented leather armor cheap weapon and some potions. and yes i had some "alts" missusing the system with asking questions up to 2-3 weeks before one saw that they where just alts of known players.

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I agree with all that is said so far pretty much...I have worked with many newbies and your right, you dont want to give them too much because it is counter productive...we dont want a bunch of people coming into game thinking everything will be handed to them on a silver platter, but at the time, if you remember back to being a true newbie, what we start with makes it really rough and the best way to start the game is to make a couple friends of older players, find a guild, and then you will have a number of older players to go to for advice and the only thing I give to newbies is like vino, a kind of startup care package with a few, not hundreds but maybe 20-25 minor health pots and show them how to make more with the recycled empty vials, an extra set of leather armour or even two, it breaks even if it doesnt drop on death,  an extra iron sword, just very basic helpful stuff.  that being said, I make sure they know they can come to me if they need help...I warn not to use chanel 6 to tell they lost a death bag once they can lose stuff, to tell a friend or guildie rather.  A warning like that can actually prevent a loss of a player cause players tend to be more fragile early on and although I am not a quitter and wouldnt quit because I lost something, there are many who would, and you can have the attitude well screw them then, let them quit, but that is not really good.  There could someone who was not yet committed to the game who quits over a loss of a death bag who if they had been able to stick around might have still turned to be a good player.  None of us are perfect anyway and we have all made bad mistakes in our lives.  Saying we are not worthwhile because of them is not really fair.  But giving too much can make really bad players worse...they will then try exploit everyone they can.  That should definitely be discouraged.  Moslty in EL we admire those who work hard and do for themselves rather than ask others to do it all for them.  I dont want to foster a bunch of nambypambees anymore than anyone else does.  But I do want to try my best to keep players who are worthwhile sticking around until they can stand well on their own and become a solid member of our good community.  And we are a good community.  

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On 7/17/2018 at 1:27 PM, vinoveritas said:

One big problems with new player chars, is old players creating new chars and pretending to be new player. get some free stuff from nice players etc and then people find out they got scammed and stop doing it. I am happy to help new players when i see them but i went wary as to if they are really new or not

 

Yes I "newbee" asked me for stuff.  Later I saw him in NMT, etc doing novac.

Maybe he was a "rich" newbee but then he did not need to beg.

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