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so i guess now that the top players have been allows to break all there dragon armor in invances its now agenst the rules, just like 60% of those who go to 120200 invance i start back in the FCs spot so i can get a chance at some good drops before going to tank giants and nasps for the rest of the team, i have been trying to break my red dragon greaves and cuisses so i took them alone with steel plate and a CoL, because i dont want to use my NMT during fights i did not take it nor did i take a rdholam or an MoL... I was pulled out of the invance because i was did not have the right armor, "[PM from WolfWitch: an invance is not for training - rules require full armour and weapon - kit up and head back in]", i was told "WolfWitch: yes - its an invance not free training exp" because i didnt have a wep with me so i got a hally and went back, for that i am sorry but it was handeled before the invance started, after i got back to the FCs and the invance started i was there for 7 mins when i was pulled out and told i had to have better armor on... at that time i have taken off my steel plate so i could take more damage and incress the chance to break my red dragon cuisses much as stivy did at the yeti in the 120200 invance, for 1 exp., for months.

 

now a lil about Orick, i have 40/4/4/36/40/20 p/c/r/w/i/v witch means with a CoL i have more life then anyone els in there with RDHoLaM and a MoL on so i stay alive just fine, as well i have 77 att and 143 def so i have a better chance of not getting hit with only greaves and cuisses on then most others in this instance in full drag set with rdholam, SoP, MoL and potted out the a... with only 77 att and any wep in the game i only hit for crits so i dont kill often...

 

now i was in the invance for 7 mins and in those 7 mins i killed 3 FCs and a hawk and i restored 12 times, now please take a min to think about this and stop just jumping to conclusions that i was training, i fled 3x in 7 mins to pick up 2 bags in witch i colected 36848 in def xp divide that by 7 mins thats 5264xp per min and i had 8 FC+ 3 dead one on me so divide that by 11 witch mean in 7 mins each FC gave me 478 def xp per min.... that my friends is not training...

 

as far as not helping the team out, 1; if i have more then RD cuisses and greaves on %50 of the team will tank over me so even agenst nasps, yeti, and giants i keep my plate off for at least a part of the time, and also when i go to invances me and ususaly 1 other ranger are required to run around and kill %70+ of the giants running around because without a 20 man team we cant finish in time if we dont do that... now i have been told that all i do is train in invances and i dont help out by many people so this next part if for you... you DONT know shit about how i play this game, this is the first invances that i have been on in the last 4 months where i didnt have the perk 'i glow in the dark' witch deals 5 damage every time they swing at me, witch means expecialy in the begining and usualy all threwout the invance i am dealing 5 damage to 8 creatures every sec of combat in the invance witch is 40 damage + and crits i also land witch is about 1 in every 5 swings... now for most of the bitchy players who say i do nothing that is FAR more damage delt in the invance then you will deal in 2 invances, just because i am not right next to you fighting in an invance does not mean i just train and just becaues you dont c my kill counters does not mean i dont kill WELL over my shair of the creatures in the invance, F all you who just run your mouth, and to those who have the ability to check past invances and c that i pull more then my waight in invances please DO YOUR JOB.

 

now this invance can get along just fine without me as they have many many many times before, this post is for those who dont take the time to think things threw... perhaps you just did not realise that there is more to this game then what nubs understand maybe now you can resurch a lil into how it works so i stop getting told that im breaking rules that i am not breaking, for the rules i did break(only once i can think of is the sword, witch i didnt know about but fixed before the invance stared) i am sorry... but the double standerd that 120200 vs others and the jumping the gun and the witchhunt started by not looking more in depth makes me and many others not play this game, witch i know no one who controles the game cairs about but those of us who do play do cair about

 

now im sorry for the parts of this that does not make sense, i dont spell well and i have add/adhd so i cant focus on something for a long time like most are able to...

 

also i will attach the chat log from this if tho who want to read it can and maybe let me know what i missed

 

[11:41:02] Orick: hi

[11:41:12] [lanfeust @ 3]: manuf up 84: and attak 153 earlier

[11:41:14] WolfWitch: hi - where is your weapon?

[11:41:25] Orick: i dont have one... do i need one?

[11:41:36] WolfWitch: yes - its an invance not free training exp

[11:41:44] Orick: brb

[11:41:57] martinq: hi orick

[11:41:58] [Adell @ 3]: selling 1k of HE's 8k pm me

[11:42:00] To Taharaji Desert

[11:42:01] To Morcraven Marsh

[11:42:24] There are 0 monsters and 111 minutes left.

[11:42:24] Hours since last instance visited: 1081

[11:42:51] [saxum @ 3]: Love toads, really love toads? Buy some poison antidotes from me. 60 each when 100 or more are bought, 65 if fewer. PM me

[11:42:58] [PM from WolfWitch: please refresh your memory on the rules "]http://www.eternal-l...0entry558693]

[11:43:55] Welcome to the Morcraven Marsh Battle Hall! Pick an arena.

[11:44:04] There are 742 monsters and 109 minutes left.

[11:44:04] Hours since last instance visited: 1081

[11:44:17] Select a nearby location to teleport.

[11:44:55] WolfWitch: do not take the piss

[11:44:59] You recovered 248 material points

[11:45:02] Orick: ?

[11:45:14] WolfWitch: sorry not you

[11:45:17] You recovered 248 material points

[11:45:38] You recovered 239 material points

[11:46:05] You recovered 248 material points

[11:46:11] You failed to flee.

[11:46:13] You are under attack, you can't move.

[11:46:14] You are under attack, you can't move.

[11:46:15] You can't attack someone while being attacked! (but you will automatically counterstrike)

[11:46:29] You recovered 248 material points

[11:46:29] [PM from Aislinn: you do realize the idea of an invance is TEAM work, not to run off and train personally]

[11:46:42] [PM from Aislinn: and I trust you have read the invance rules radu has posted]

[11:46:46] You recovered 233 material points

[11:46:47] [PM to Aislinn: im not training]

[11:47:00] [PM to Aislinn: im trying to break armor and kill FC]

[11:47:04] [PM from Aislinn: uh]

[11:47:06] You recovered 239 material points

[11:47:09] [PM from Aislinn: there's a lot more there than fc]

[11:47:13] [iceQueen @ 3]: selling up to 750 pickaxes for 30gcea, 35 mortar & Pestle for 125gcea. 2k fe 4.8 ea.

[11:47:19] [southerncomfort @ 3]: Selling silver + Sunflower or trading for le

[11:47:25] [PM to Aislinn: i know when im done here i will tank giants]

[11:47:26] You recovered 212 material points

[11:47:39] You failed to flee.

[11:47:41] You recovered 243 material points

[11:47:45] [PM from Aislinn: you have to help the team to the best of your ability and gear up to the best of your ability]

[11:48:10] [PM to Aislinn: thtas why i tank the giants]

[11:48:10] You recovered 248 material points

[11:48:13] [PM from Aislinn: ...]

[11:48:26] [brataK @ 100120]: giant at gate

[11:48:32] You recovered 248 material points

[11:48:42] [PM from Aislinn: well we've had some complaints already and you better not be not properly geared up or helping because you can get a 3 day ban for not]

[11:48:45] [PM from WolfWitch: you need to kit properly or leave - FULL armour and weapon - I will take you to MM store so you can dress apropriatly]

[11:48:50] Zap! You were sent to WolfWitch!

[11:49:03] [PM to WolfWitch: ?]

[11:49:08] [Rabbitman @ 100120]: gj fighters at NE fort btw

[11:49:08] [PM from WolfWitch: check your pms]

[11:49:09] [PM from Aislinn: have you read radu's invance rules?]

[11:49:21] [PM to Aislinn: yes i have]

[11:49:34] [PM from WolfWitch: an invance is not for training - rules require full armour and weapon - kit up and head back in]

[11:49:35] [PM from Aislinn: might want to give it a second go through, you seem to have missed a few parts]

[11:49:49] [shihan @ 100120]: argg, just missed it ... good luck guys

[11:49:55] [PM to Aislinn: im in RD greaves and cuisses with 143 def if i put on more i cant tank for most of the people in this instance]

[11:49:59] [Yosie @ 100120]: OMGGGGGG

[11:50:02] [Frost @ 100120]: ty for luck :X

[11:50:05] [Yosie @ 100120]: I was at dinner

[11:50:09] There are 630 monsters and 103 minutes left.

[11:50:09] Hours since last instance visited: 1081

[11:50:15] [TrueMen @ 100120]: restock brb

[11:50:18] [Yosie @ 3]: it started

[11:50:18] [suiN @ 3]: buying 1k cf, pmme

[11:50:23] [PM to Aislinn: i was not training because i only fled 3 times in 7 mins to grab bags of gc]

[11:50:37] [PM from Aislinn: >.<]

[11:50:47] [Frost @ 100120]: gates looking busy, altho im safe

[11:50:58] [shihan @ 100120]: yosie look @bright side, no rosto loss, no breakages, no enormouse amount of essies lost

[11:51:08] [Yosie @ 100120]: and no exp :<

[11:51:11] [Frost @ 100120]: no exp :>

[11:51:13] [Yosie @ 100120]: I would sit at gate

[11:51:17] [shihan @ 100120]: lol yeah that too

[11:51:36] [Frost @ 100120]: you just ate dinner, how would get you through the gate....

[11:51:43] Orick: what is wrong with this outfit?

[11:51:50] [Adell @ 3]: selling 1k of HE's @ 9k pm me

[11:52:02] [Galack @ 3]: buy iron ore . Turqoise

[11:52:07] WolfWitch: it does not meet the requirements set down by radu

[11:52:08] [shihan @ 100120]: if a giant can get through it

[11:52:27] [Frost @ 100120]: [if you're reading what im saying, you're not looking at your HP!]

Hourly time-stamp: log continued at 2012-05-10 11:52:52 localtime (Central Daylight Time)

[11:53:08] [Aspirix @ 3]: selling - 10k coal @ 2.5 each pm me please

[11:53:39] [southerncomfort @ 3]: Selling 4245 Silver 2.5 ea 8233 sunflower .75 ea

[11:53:53] An invisible rat has spawned. Get him in 10 minutes for some extra exp!

[11:54:52] [southerncomfort @ 3]: Trading HE's ings for ings pm me to make a deal

[11:56:03] [RedDevil @ 100120]: Your Radioactive Rapier has been destroyed :/

[11:56:11] [Yosie @ 100120]: ouch

[11:56:13] [TrueMen @ 100120]:

[11:56:16] [Frost @ 100120]: :<

[11:56:26] [shihan @ 100120]: :<

[11:56:31] [Frost @ 100120]: i have JS/OS if you need replacement

[11:56:37] [Frost @ 100120]: or you can go sto

 

[11:56:49] [RedDevil @ 100120]: it's okay, I got more weaps

 

 

[11:58:19] [PM from MetanoL: ok]

[11:58:20] [Aspirix @ 3]: trading - (my) black dragon greave + 15k gc for (your) ice dragon greave

 

[11:59:43] [southerncomfort @ 3]: Will Trade 4245 Silver Ore + 3000 Mums for 2K HE

[11:59:52] [Rabbitman @ 100120]: nasp n ingate

[12:00:43] [Geoffrey @ 3]: Trading bd cuis/plate for damaged+gcs

[12:01:58] [iceQueen @ 3]: selling up to 750 pickaxes for 30gcea, 35 mortar & Pestle for 125gcea. 2.5k fe 4.8 ea.

[12:02:43] [bella_k @ 3]: pm anyone pls whi can help with manu daily

[12:02:55] [bella_k @ 3]: who*

[12:03:44] [viperwitch @ 100120]: red did you got multyed?

[12:03:58] [RedDevil @ 100120]: nope, simply broke on naspa

[12:04:01] [viperwitch @ 100120]: ouchii red

[12:04:28] [viperwitch @ 100120]: i only use mine if i am on 1 max 2 medium mobs then i switch to cutlass

[12:04:57] [viperwitch @ 100120]: in instance on naspa i used FA +Cutlass cuz possible to break radio but was with tank]

[12:05:09] Equinox: Vous êtes en invance?

[12:05:14] Equinox: oops sorry

 

[12:05:53] [bella_k @ 3]: enough pm, ty all got

 

[12:06:19] [viperwitch @ 100120]: frost on gate again?

[12:07:46] [sunriseCoder @ 100120]: s2es

[12:09:01] [TrueMen @ 100120]: restocking

[12:09:58] [immortelle @ 100120]: 3naspas coming near gates

[12:10:02] Schmurk has logged on.

 

[12:10:21] [WhiteRhino @ 100120]: buying new holam brb >.<

[12:10:26] [GangBoy @ 3]: pc will removal

[12:10:43] [viperwitch @ 100120]: abother loss seems this range is not very nice

[12:10:55] [viperwitch @ 100120]: another+*

[12:10:56] [WhiteRhino @ 100120]: loss?

[12:11:01] [WhiteRhino @ 100120]: we loss?

[12:11:14] [joo @ 100120]: no

[12:11:15] [viperwitch @ 100120]: your holam isn't that a loss?

[12:11:28] [WhiteRhino @ 100120]: not really its been thru alot

[12:11:30] [TrueMen @ 100120]: wow 30 people on the chan

[12:11:42] [WhiteRhino @ 100120]: kk all wtf insta ;P

[12:11:55] [Zephlix @ 100120]: just logged in 3 min ago

[12:13:20] [viperwitch @ 100120]: i am still to break my ''paper hat''

[12:14:09] Equinox: \o/

[12:14:26] AlddrA: hi Equinox

[12:15:09] [nolifer @ 3]: buy 5k iron ore 4ea (Any amounts are welcome) pm me

 

 

[12:16:31] AlddrA: lol:)

[12:16:34] byteme: lol

[12:16:40] byteme: hiya AlddrA

[12:16:47] byteme: \o/

[12:16:54] AlddrA: hi;)

[12:17:58] [irinamaS @ 100120]: i restock

[12:18:18] [joo @ 100120]: refilling

[12:20:33] [Geoffrey @ 3]: Trading bd cuis/plate for damaged+gcs

[12:20:49] [Aspirix @ 3]: trading - (my) black dragon greave + 15k gc for (your) ice dragon greave

[12:20:56] Going AFK

[12:20:58] [Galack @ 3]: buy iron ore . Turqoise

[12:21:25] [Darrock @ 100120]: restock

[12:21:28] Not AFK any more

[12:21:49] [WhiteRhino @ 100120]: omw back found holam

[12:22:01] [RedDevil @ 100120]: GATE

[12:22:14] [RedDevil @ 100120]: now NOW NOW

[12:22:22] [Rabbitman @ 100120]: out of arrows

[12:22:42] [WhiteRhino @ 100120]: almost in

[12:22:49] [irinamaS @ 100120]: i restocked omw back

 

[12:23:34] [immortelle @ 100120]: i go restock as well. almost ampty

 

[12:24:01] [immortelle @ 100120]: brb

 

 

[12:25:14] [Oncelot @ 3]: mule needed Later on to haul TONS of chrysantyhimums from somewhere in DP to DP storage please PM me about more info thanks....

[12:25:15] [RedDevil @ 100120]: gate

[12:25:16] [RedDevil @ 100120]: ffs

 

[12:25:26] [sunriseCoder @ 100120]: restock

[12:25:39] To Ruins of Tirnym

[12:25:58] [CalsoniC @ 3]: selling EFE/ELE pm me

[12:26:09] [JoDuFe @ 3]: selling: Animal Nexus Remo, used cutty, dmgd rd mail, bronze plate mail, dmgd bronze cuisses

[12:26:11] _KiLLeR_GuY_: o/

[12:26:16] You open the door, and the smell of death penetrates your nostrils as you descend into the darkness.

[12:26:23] [immortelle @ 100120]: omw back

 

[12:26:33] To North Redmoon Island

 

[12:26:38] [Orick @ 100120]: i was booted fromt he invance by the way

[12:26:45] [TrueMen @ 100120]: why?

[12:26:45] [WhiteRhino @ 100120]: o.o

[12:26:47] [immortelle @ 100120]: ohh why ?

[12:27:13] [MARVEL @ 3]: buying rd plate

[12:27:15] [Orick @ 100120]: i guess i dont help enought, i was kicked after 7 mins, ill give you the link and you can read why

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

*Only things removed from my chat are PMs about other players skills that have nothing to do with this topic

**and the emots because i guess that not allowed eather "You have posted a message with more emoticons than this community allows. Please reduce the number of emoticons you've added to the message"

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I agree with you Orick...I think the mods like to say, "you need to read the rules," but they either haven't read the rules themselves, or are not smart enough to understand them. It does make me want to leave the game, as I am sick of hall monitors and crybabies that are worrying about things other than themselves. Just sayin.....

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What a shame! Orick is the best tank in this range and as a tank, he doesn't have the attribs to kill mobs but only to tank them to help other players.

Though, if he doesn't get armor off, he can't tank efficiently because mobs will attack other players instead of him.

Really, he should not be blamed for that, taking armor off is the best thing he can do to help others...

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You were reported for separating yourself in order to be alone and unseen and flee training, no weapons, and sketchy armor. Somehow this does not fall into bans so I am moving your post.

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how is flee 3 times in 7 min flee training? and where does it say you cant be alone and unseen in the rules? and sense when was RD greaves/cuisses sketchy? i thouhgt those rules were placed so people could not no nothing in the invance and get xp? i do plenty in invances as far as tanking and usualy killing as well, and i forgot my SoP the first time and returned with that and a hally after being told to do so before the creatures were even in the invance, also how is burning an avrage of 1k HEs an invance free xp?

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I don't see anything that says, "you must stay with the group." In fact, most people go off by themselves. I hope you will monitor the invances more closely, and 'punish' the other people who break the rules (as you see them). Not just pick on a few people you don't like.....

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Calif, nobody asked what you see or are sick of (don't let the door hit you on the way out). When you actually have a clue what happened before that, and what goes on in general, come back and talk. Until then, keep your rude ignorant comments and assumptions that do nothing to help the situation to yourself.

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Now as I already said, we (mods) received reports of what I stated above. So as to the armor issue, and tanking, I can see that point. However I was not physically there (as I made a mistake recalling what level I ran and thought I'd get booted out) so others went. Given the reports, and what they saw, after much moderator discussion of the situation, they felt the report was justified. You were warned and sent to MM storage to get your weapons. You were NOT removed permanently.

 

Edit: You were not seen tanking anything for quite a while. You also stated you were there to break certain armors.

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lol...you show your true colors...as I have always stated about you....i will repeat them here, if anyone wants to know ;)

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I could care less what you think of me or say about me, as I am sure most of EL doesn't either. On the other hand, other mod-bashers I am sure would be happy to receive your pm full of hate.

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The "you must wear expensive armour" rule is such a load of bullshit. No-one in the invance actually cares what others wear; fair enough if people wearing poo gear try to get shares of drops they should be denied but otherwise who is getting hurt by this? Are baby animals dropping dead all over the planet because people didn't wear the "correct" gear? In the end if the group succeeds then people were wearing the correct gear. If the group fails then they weren't.

 

If someone is going and not helping out at all then fair enough; however otherwise it should be up to the community to ostracise or punish players who take the piss and obviously don't contribute over a number invances.

 

The invance reward of fun and easy(ish) experience makes EL open to a more casual gaming audience which can only be good for the game's growth. I have no idea why this "growth" is being repressed in such a way but the mind boggles if anyone doubts that this is what is happening. Fun is being restricted in a way that benefits none and has on many occasions hurt undeserving people.

 

Also who cares if he was there to break armour? Surely this is good for the economy. If people participating have a problem they should inform the person themselves and ask them to stop; if they do not then they can contact a mod. Although once again I have no idea why they would barring the fact that the person was actually causing the invance to fail; unless of course their intent is simply to ruin someone else's enjoyment.

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Personally I could care less what people wear. It's not my decision.

 

That said, it isn't fair if some do all the hard work and others diddle around doing nothing or not much or just the easy stuff, and yet still get the big prize.

 

Now the main point here is this: nothing happened other than he was sent to storage (think restock) like everyone else goes sometimes to get stuff. He was cautioned to do his share for the team and about gear. Not worth all this nonsense. Really.

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How many mobs does someone have to kill in order to their share? Radu doesn't say anything about being fully geared, as in, you have to have every piece of armor on that you can use. All it says is: You must bring good gear with you, don't come naked or with iron swords or with training arrows/bolts or with low level bows.

 

He wasn't naked, and he brought good gear....he was attempting to kill mobs...why don't you just admit you are wrong? quit looking like an idiot..

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Just to clarify my problem is with the rule and the message it sends; I know Aislinn does the best she can in each individual situation, as I hope other mods do.

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and, since there are so many people reading this thread, i would like to follow up on Zaer's post. He is exactly right. Why would you (someone in invance) care what someone wears in invance, as long as they are helping? Why would 'you' tattle about someone that is contributing to the win? If they are killing mobs, or trying to kill mobs....you should thank them. WTF is wrong with 'you'?

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Because someone who isn't using a weapon isn't helping which is how this started. Yet you insist on deviating from that point.

 

he was attempting to kill mobs

With his bare hands?

 

You quoted "You must bring good gear with you, don't come naked or with iron swords or with training arrows/bolts or with low level bows."

No weapon is even worse than iron sword. WolfWitch only made him go to storage and get a weapon. That is very lenient on her side. Yet again you choose to continue to be judgmental. I don't understand how moderation is now turning into a topic of public discussion.

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so, if he isn't helping...then, you are saying that he IS hurting? i mean....basic logic is: if you aren't helping, you are hurting? is that what you are saying? or, are you saying that he isn't helping enough to satisfy you?

 

If you are trying to quote rules to me..or...moderation?? (WTF) then you are missing MY point. If you are saying, that he is not helping enough to satisfy you (which is what it sounds like), then you have that right to complain.....but, you should refer to my post about 'wtf is wrong with you?"

 

and, one more thing....i thought this was a public forum?

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Radu has said that we must tell if we see someone breaking, or trying to find loopholes in, the rules. He also stated that if we do not tell, we run the chance of losing the invances.

 

Having said that, anyone trying to break the rules or trying to find loopholes in the rules are telling everyone else in the invance that they do not give a F about anyone else in the invance. So, why should anyone give a F about those breaking the rules?

 

Also, I haven't heard the word

tattle

 

since I was 8 years old. Grow-up. If no one broke the rules, there would be nothing to 'tattle' about. The one breaking the rules only have their self to blame. No one made them break the rules.

 

Just my 2 cents.

Edited by Zenphon

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okay....one more thing.....this is for you people that like to be high school hall monitors....if you are going to quote rules, and talk about how you only want for people to follow the rules, etc, etc, etc, .......i have done some monitoring lately (ofc, i am not gonna tattle tell) and i have noticed many people breaking the rules in invances....but, i don't never see anyone being reported for this one rule that i consistently see broken....but, everyone does it...so, it must be okay....going AFK .....take a real deep look into your conscience and tell me im wrong....ive seen people afk for well over 5 minutes...sitting at storages....but, thats okay so long as they announce it to everyone, eh? or, if they have a good reason to not be there...helping...

 

that word hurts you, eh?

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okay....one more thing.....this is for you people that like to be high school hall monitors....if you are going to quote rules, and talk about how you only want for people to follow the rules, etc, etc, etc, .......i have done some monitoring lately (ofc, i am not gonna tattle tell) and i have noticed many people breaking the rules in invances....but, i don't never see anyone being reported for this one rule that i consistently see broken....but, everyone does it...so, it must be okay....going AFK .....take a real deep look into your conscience and tell me im wrong....ive seen people afk for well over 5 minutes...sitting at storages....but, thats okay so long as they announce it to everyone, eh? or, if they have a good reason to not be there...helping...

 

 

 

So, you are saying you did not report it? You just 'tattled' on yourself. :D

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IF he wants to break the stuff why not? If he breaks them at wrong time and dies his problem isn't? ''staying wih the team''

You know it is quaite impossible as a lot prefere to go alone and get most drops by themselfs esp on lower level mobs.

I almost always went alone usuall

to glacmore banner and killed alone here Am I breaking rules here? I came alone not with team and killed 60-70 mobs in like 10 mins. So I helped to win, but by doing it alone and not in team is it not legal?

Orick - you are a tank and an exellent one indeed. With thatr instinct and physqie and vitality I WONDER how can you do breaking quests at all cuz it gonna be ages till you get hit enought for something to break. So my question is - why can't you do it some other time?

Ok if you want to break stuff here your choice but I must ask again - why can't you break stuff some where else and in invance tank stuff for other? Just common sence if you go trying to break stuff on everything at your slow rate of killing invance be long over.

Sorry if you misunderstand something I said here just if i was doing breaking quest i would go break it on spawns and in invance i give my full atention to the monsters to kill them fast and

Thanks for reading

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Viperwitch, that is the smartest post i have read all night. And, i agree with you. Also, ty for not throwing a childish remark at me like some others ;)

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The problem was, from what I have read, he did not have a weapon armed. Why would someone not arm a weapon? Only one answer... so he wouldn't get attack exp,, but only defense exp.. So, if he had no weapon armed, he was training.

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