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All are Welcome for a pk tournament on Sunday at approx 12 noon.GMT. Sharpen your swords and bring your HE's :omg: All levels can participate, good luck to all.

Please post any donations for prizes here and give them to dht.

I donate 50 SR's (sorry not more but ima newbie ) XD

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What kind of PK tournament? How will it be structured?

 

edit: oops was using "today's active topics" thing and did realise at first this was PK server... nonetheless, my questions are probably still worth answer, although i personally won't be competing.

Edited by Korrode

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All are Welcome for a pk tournament on Sunday at approx 12am..GMT. Sharpen your swords and bring your HE's :P All levels can participate, good luck to all.

Please post any donations for prizes here and give them to dht.

I donate 50 SR's (sorry not more but ima newbie ) XD

Hey Star,

Sorry to be picky (you know I love you! :bangwall:) but you realise there is no such thing as 12 am? It's even more confusing for me because you're an Aussie, and at exactly the opposite side of the planet to me.

 

It may be simpler to just say noon or midnight, as I am not sure which one you mean!

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but you realise there is no such thing as 12 am?

I agree the terms "midday/noon" and "midnight" are better, but there is 'such a thing' as 12am, and significant consensus on it.

 

12am = midnight.

12pm = midday.

 

Good thing you brought it up tho since star said 12am but meant midday :whistle:

 

...kk i get off your thread now bb

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but you realise there is no such thing as 12 am?

I agree the terms "midday/noon" and "midnight" are better, but there is 'such a thing' as 12am, and significant consensus on it.

 

12am = midnight.

12pm = midday.

 

Good thing you brought it up tho since star said 12am but meant midday ;)

 

...kk i get off your thread now bb

Sorry, but I couldn't pass up a chance to thrash you in an argument, since I can't do it in KF! :P

 

From the wikipedia link you posted....

Confusion at noon and midnight

These standards are ambiguous with respect to the whether midnight is at the start and or end of each day.

 

Since the Latin word meridies means noon or midday, it is illogical to refer to noon as either "12 a.m." ("12 ante meridiem", or "12 o'clock before noon") or as "12 p.m." ("12 post meridiem", or "12 o'clock after noon"). On the other hand, midnight could logically be called either "12 p.m." (12 post meridiem, 12 hours after the previous noon) or "12 a.m." (12 ante meridiem, 12 hours before the following noon); "x a.m." no longer means "x hours before noon", but "x hours into the day but before noon" or "x th hour before noon".

 

The National Maritime Museum, Greenwich, states:

 

To avoid confusion, the correct designation for twelve o'clock is 12 noon or 12 midnight. Alternatively, the twenty-four-hour-clock system may be used. The abbreviation a.m. stands for ante-meridiem (before the Sun has crossed the line) and p.m. for post-meridiem (after the Sun has crossed the line). At 12 noon the Sun is at its highest point in the sky and directly over the meridian. It is therefore neither "ante-" nor "post-".[8]

 

However, as discussed elsewhere in the same reference, the Sun is highest at 12 noon local Solar time, not 12 noon civil time, the difference being given by the equation of time [9] plus the effect of time zones.

 

In the United States, noon is often called "12:00 p.m." and midnight "12:00 a.m." With this convention, thinking of "12" as "0" makes the system logical.

 

The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language (Fourth Edition, 2000) has a similar usage note on this topic: "Strictly speaking, 12 a.m. denotes midnight, and 12 p.m. denotes noon, but there is sufficient confusion over these uses to make it advisable to use 12 noon and 12 midnight where clarity is required."[10]

 

Many U.S. style guides (including the NIST website) recommend that it is clearest if one refers to "noon" or "12:00 noon" and "midnight" or "12:00 midnight" (rather than to "12:00 p.m." and "12:00 a.m.", respectively). Some other style guides suggest "12:00 n" for noon and "12:00 m" for midnight,[11] but that conflicts with the older tradition of using "12:00 m" for noon[1](Latin meridies), and "12:00 mn" for midnight (Latin media nox).

 

The Canadian Press Stylebook (11th Edition, 1999, page 288) says, "write noon or midnight, not 12 noon or 12 midnight." Phrases such as "12 a.m." and "12 p.m." are not mentioned at all.

 

The use of "12:00 midnight" or "midnight" is still problematic because it does not distinguish between the midnight at the start of a particular day and the midnight at its end. To avoid confusion and error, some U.S. style guides recommend either clarifying "midnight" with other context clues, or not referring to midnight at all. For an example of the latter method, "midnight" is replaced with "11:59 p.m." for the end of a day or "12:01 a.m." for the start of the next day. That has become common in the United States in legal contracts and for airplane, bus, or train schedules, though some schedules use other conventions.

 

The 24-hour clock notation avoids all of those ambiguities by using 00:00 for midnight at the start of the day and 12:00 for noon. From 23:59:59 the time shifts (one second later) to 00:00:00, the beginning of the next day. Some variants of 24-hour notation (including the world standard ISO 8601) use 24:00 when referring to a midnight at the end of a day

 

I do here rest my case! :D

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Ah yes but notice how despite all that, Wikipedia still, in the 'clock system' thingy at the top right of the page, list midnight as 12am and midday as 12pm?

 

Including a section on the page about the confusion it causes doesn't mean there isn't significant consensus. Significant enough that every digital clock maker on the planet makes their clocks in such a fashion that the PM indicator (usually a dot on the face of the unit) is not on at 12:00 midnight, and is on at 12:00 midday.

 

As i say, "significant consensus". :P

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