Trading strike

[Dilly]

If u all have time to bitch, why don't you try to suggest something that will correct this situation on batter?

 

 

it's not bitching. if 'the community' doesn't mind everyone being greedy and only being concerned for their own wellbeing, then by all means, go on like this. If you want newer players, or slower levelers to feel they stand a chance to have some stuff that's not even all that exclusive anymore (a cutty.. a tit shield.. basic items these days), then stop sticking your head in the sand and admit there's an issue with people being greedy scrooges.

 

#edit: the solution being to refuse trades with people of whom you know they will outprice anyone for the rare stones to crazy amounts of gc. To be totally clear, ask yourself the following question: how can serpstones go up in price about 3kgc in less than 2 months?

Edited November 29, 2009 by Dilly

[forever]

Seriously.... Why do people like you come here and post when you can't take the time to actually READ the things you're saying aren't here?

 

Oh I get it....

 

Just here to get your post count up. :whistle:

 

Obviously he has alot useless posts to catch up to you.

Posts: 48

Joined: 29-June 06

 

EDIT: And for the record I will either mix what I need myself or buy from a NPC to exit the gc from the game rather than give the gc to a greedy manuer who was supposed to just "increase cost just to meet cost of rare items" and then overbid everyone else just to increase the price of armor/weapons.

 

Welcome to capitalism, good luck getting that dragon armor from the NPC.

 

 

Or we could give it a few months for it to blow over and buy fair priced Dragon armor ey?

[PaulB]

Seriously.... Why do people like you come here and post when you can't take the time to actually READ the things you're saying aren't here?

 

Oh I get it....

 

Just here to get your post count up. :whistle:

 

Obviously he has alot useless posts to catch up to you.

Posts: 48

Joined: 29-June 06

 

EDIT: And for the record I will either mix what I need myself or buy from a NPC to exit the gc from the game rather than give the gc to a greedy manuer who was supposed to just "increase cost just to meet cost of rare items" and then overbid everyone else just to increase the price of armor/weapons.

 

Welcome to capitalism, good luck getting that dragon armor from the NPC.

 

My post are not just to get my post count up.

 

I actually read the entire thread before I add my 2 cents.

 

His post was totally wrong and proved he didn't even read the previous post.

 

I'm in no need of dragon armors any time soon

[Torr]

EDIT: And for the record I will either mix what I need myself or buy from a NPC to exit the gc from the game rather than give the gc to a greedy manuer who was supposed to just "increase cost just to meet cost of rare items" and then overbid everyone else just to increase the price of armor/weapons.

 

That's the spirit.

 

All that is written means nothing, that are not

 

Why would anyone dump prices? You can't order anyone that or this. If it's higher demand for item than there is, it's normal that prices will go up.

You can do anything you want with whats yours. Instead of boycotting Holar and his bot, why don't you ask yourself how many players have 20+ stones and enriched essences in storage and doing nothing with them. That's their right and again u can't do them nothing.

 

@Dilly

I didn't dig my head in sand, since there is EL there is greed, same as real world.

Now if someone want to made tit shield, cutty, etc. he need binding stone, but to obtain it he can harvest till the end of the world in hope he will get one or he can offer bigger price on market. With that is normal that price of that finished product will raise.

 

Why is price of NMT, RDHOLAM, etc so high? GREED

 

You can't do anything to change prices of stones, even if there is a person which will sell them for lower, there will always be those who will buy them and again sell them for bigger price.

[forever]

EDIT: And for the record I will either mix what I need myself or buy from a NPC to exit the gc from the game rather than give the gc to a greedy manuer who was supposed to just "increase cost just to meet cost of rare items" and then overbid everyone else just to increase the price of armor/weapons.

 

That's the spirit.

 

All that is written means nothing, that are not

 

Why would anyone dump prices? You can't order anyone that or this. If it's higher demand for item than there is, it's normal that prices will go up.

You can do anything you want with whats yours. Instead of boycotting Holar and his bot, why don't you ask yourself how many players have 20+ stones and enriched essences in storage and doing nothing with them. That's their right and again u can't do them nothing.

 

@Dilly

I didn't dig my head in sand, since there is EL there is greed, same as real world.

Now if someone want to made tit shield, cutty, etc. he need binding stone, but to obtain it he can harvest till the end of the world in hope he will get one or he can offer bigger price on market. With that is normal that price of that finished product will raise.

 

Why is price of NMT, RDHOLAM, etc so high? GREED

 

You can't do anything to change prices of stones, even if there is a person which will sell them for lower, there will always be those who will buy them and again sell them for bigger price.

 

Actually child the prices of RDHOLAM + NMT are so high because neither are mixable and only come by luck. NMT rate dropped significantly so the price offsets that.

 

It has nothing to do with greed or the market. Learn the EL economy before you post please.

[Dilly]

You can't do anything to change prices of stones, even if there is a person which will sell them for lower, there will always be those who will buy them and again sell them for bigger price.

 

And so you just surrender and go along? I play games for fun, not to work for hours or days (depending on levels) to get one pretty commonly used sword.

[Raytray]

Why is price of NMT, RDHOLAM, etc so high? GREED

NMT is on the lowside iirc, rdholam went down and back up based on the drop and demand.

 

Greed is the main proponent of capitalism, that is what the el market is based on. It's funny because I see so many complaints about Obama being a socialist but we all hate the greedy capitalist system here.

[Torr]

Why is price of NMT, RDHOLAM, etc so high? GREED

 

Actually child the prices of RDHOLAM + NMT are so high because neither are mixable and only come by luck. NMT rate dropped significantly so the price offsets that.

 

It has nothing to do with greed or the market. Learn the EL economy before you post please.

 

Wait, arn't bindings and other rare things based on luck? Not counting those who buys them from EL shop (won't comment on that).

 

@Dilly

No1 is forcing you to play if u don't like the system. Since playing this game for so long i don't care anymore, cause there is no cure.

[DHT]

Wait, arn't bindings and other rare things based on luck? Not counting those who buys them from EL shop (won't comment on that).

 

They are, but you can't leave out buying from shop, because the amount of those items increases every time someone wants to get them and doesn't mind spending some $. For NMT/etc, on the other hand, this doesn't apply, because you can't get them from shop.

[Dilly]

@Dilly

No1 is forcing you to play if u don't like the system. Since playing this game for so long i don't care anymore, cause there is no cure.

 

Now see, that's the good part.. I buy, and have pretty much always bought these stones from shop, and except for rare occasions, have used them all for my own use. So for myself, I solved the challenge but seen as EL advertises to be a FREE TO PLAY game, i think to the normal EL player, these things should be at least obtainable under reasonable circumstances: if luck fails them while harvesting, they should be able to buy such an item ingame for ´fair´ prices.

 

Anyways, you're just gonna find something in what i said to trash again... I`ve spoken my mind on the matter, it's MY opinion, always has been always will be. (btw: I'm playing this game possibly longer than you are, I know what goes on, doesn't mean I should accept all of it)

Edited November 29, 2009 by Dilly

[PaulB]

I know what goes on, doesn't mean I should accept all of it)

 

ditto

[Infamous]

Just bitching and bitching, always are mixers bad guys. Why are rare stones expansive? There is low rate to get stone, and enriched ess (to mix efe is around 5k+ fe). Well Radu could raise rate, but he wont. Why? There is too much gc in game.

 

Holar is bad for buying all stones and selling products for higher price. Of course, advanced swords were 20k, but since serps and bindings have go way up it's logical prices of swords would go up. It's bit sad, but it would be good if prices would go above NPC prices, than players would buy form NPC and gc would go from game.

 

This is one thing that manuers do and all fighters are complaining. But what about them? Since they dont have 1.5k emu they raise silver price to 2.5 gc, hello, other players could only dream about that emu and were still selling at 2 gc. Same thing with RDHOLAM, price was 150k and now they have deal and sell it for 200k cause they are greedy. But they go to instances, fight monsters, so it can pass, they do their job.

 

Since last week was thinking, He's on market are now 8-8.5 gc, if we raise it to 9 gc it would be NPC price, but there are fighters who are mostly antisocial, we could sell them for even more than 9 gc, lets say 15 gc . But price is still same for everyone, same thing can be done with SR's and other essences.

Now to mix 1 HE, you need 2 silver ore (5gc), 1 chrysanteum (0.5 gc), FP (2 gc), thats 7.5 gc, but what about time to mix it, that dosen't worth nothing?

 

RDholm price was over 200k and went to like 120k, they cant be manu'd and alot of rosto's, some armors go lost obtaining one, price seems good and never goes higher just cause someone decides "hey, i have to pay 8.5gc for HE's now, lets calculate that in our RDholm prices" or "well, i have bid wars over nexus removals which cost me alot of gc, so lets charge more for this thing"

 

which is the case with some of these manuers, they advertise they will buy stones for alot more then others, then go on forums whining its not fair they get underpaid for items they themselves bought the ingreds for at higher prices

Tiger already posted a link to that, by the same guy and now prices went up again cause they continue to overbid

the price of gc on the blackmarket has been 1$-8k for a while now, even before this new rise of prices so that couldnt be a reason prices increased now

 

 

yeah, i have been buying so much pp, 1 and almost dont play anymore ;o

 

Forgive me if this question has an obvious answer but if you "almost dont play any more", why are you so bothered that you put up a thread about this issue? I'm also confused as to why you keep posting in the thread since you "almost dont play any more"

 

it got mentioned on channel 6, i said something about it and someone told me to make a topic

its a problem, and it will get out of hand so i just decided to make a topic to try and fix it, and argueing is fun

[Ateh]

seeing as it is a free market economy, im going to be asking to buy certain ingredients at the good old decent prices i remember

 

i know nobody will sell me one but that doesnt mean im not allowed to ask within the rules of market channel asking every 5 minutes ( i hope it doesnt otherwise the price wars going on for bots are illegal too just you dont see it because everyone but the noobs have bots on ignore anyway )

 

trouble is people think that /rraisa is the market now and when they see the highest buy price or sell price of some bot then thats the market price, well it didnt allways used to be like that and doesnt have to be anymore if people would get up of thier ass and sell on market channel

 

yes I agree bots are a wonderful income for games owners and so are shop bought rare items like stones but when you only have a playerbase of 500 people it might not be such a good thing to piss of those (the majority) who cant afford to regularly buy shop items with RL $$$ --

 

i probably shouldnt have said half of this ey

[bigkav]

lol'd holar is a sneaky bastage and the people following him have to be brain dead. gg infa, but sad thing is the game atm hasn't had a bright future for a long time and this along with other factors won't be stopped so no point as the main fucking problem with this game is the involvement of $, and when the development of the game revolves around the game creator making his ends meat from it, it can never truly be "changed" as he needs to change the game in a way that he'll make enough $.

[Torr]

RDholm price was over 200k and went to like 120k, they cant be manu'd and alot of rosto's, some armors go lost obtaining one, price seems good and never goes higher just cause someone decides "hey, i have to pay 8.5gc for HE's now, lets calculate that in our RDholm prices" or "well, i have bid wars over nexus removals which cost me alot of gc, so lets charge more for this thing"

 

So, you are saying that manuer buys binding at high price and mix it in product, but he doesn't have 100% that it will succeed.

Look, u don't have to buy anything from anyone, u can mix it by yourself. Just cause you are lazy and don't want to mix HE's, that is your problem, but if you stay lazy, pay for them and don't complain.

 

Just as Ateh wrote: "It's a free market economy", you can sell/buy binding for 100k cause there isn't limit on max price, same thing with RDHOLAM, NMT, nexus removal, etc.

[Matty27]

yeah, i have been buying so much pp, 1 and almost dont play anymore ;o

 

Forgive me if this question has an obvious answer but if you "almost dont play any more", why are you so bothered that you put up a thread about this issue? I'm also confused as to why you keep posting in the thread since you "almost dont play any more"

 

it got mentioned on channel 6, i said something about it and someone told me to make a topic

its a problem, and it will get out of hand so i just decided to make a topic to try and fix it, and argueing is fun

 

Fair point^^^^^

 

Actually, if you have such a problem with manu'ers raising prices so high, why not train manu so that you can actually make the items you need for your fighting? The problem is not that the manu'ers are making things more expensive for themselves by buying the rare ing's at higher prices. The problem is that too many people will not pay a fair (above ing cost) price for all mixables (with a very few exceptions as mentioned in the linked thread). I saw someone trying to buy HE on @@3 for 6gc today. With silver being the price it is to buy in bulk, this means that the player mixing the HE is making a loss. I know the subject of this topic isn't specifically HE, but the same principle applies to everything that is mixed. From basic essies all the way through to the high-level items that are being complained about. The majority of players think that paying anything other than an outdated (and low) price for items is too much

 

Rare ings make high-level items more expensive. If a player wants to be able to supply the high-level items, they HAVE to have the rare ings. If the only way they can get thos rare ings is to bid HIGH for them, then you have to accept that the end price HAS to go up. Any suggestion to drive down the price of the basic ings is ridiculous. I remember someone trying to tell me that iron ore was only worth 2gc as "it's easy to mine" (market average at that time was 3gc) just so he/she could get it cheap. The player then called me a gouger because I refused to sell low. Strangely enough they didn't get the 10k iron ore they wanted from me.

 

Driving down ing prices will only harm the harvesters in a much bigger way than the mini-events did when they were introduced. If the harvesters are harmed, or worse, convinced to not bother harvesting any more, they will stop doing so and there will be no basic ings coming on the market. If no basic ings on market, the mixers (all disciplines) will be forced to get all of their own resulting in a reduction of middle ings resulting in a bigger reduction in higher ings thus forcing high level items to become more rare. More rare means they will become more subject to supply/demand making them even more expensive than you are already complaining about.

 

There is also the problem of the rare ings becoming even more scarce with less harvesting going on. That will itself alone drive up their value and thus drive up the price of the high-level items even more.

 

So, what do you propose to do to resolve this? Continue to refuse to buy things at the increased prices? I think that will only result in you not getting the shiny things you want. There will come a time, if harvesters get pi$$ed off enough, when very few people will sell anything below what it cost them to make - especially if they can't get the items they need to mix with.

 

You make the point that you don't increase the price of a RDHoLaM or NMT just because the cost of HE went up. Why not? It's because you actually have a rare item and want to sell it for money? You have a rare item and sell it for what a player is willing to pay. Please raise it and stop complaining about ebul manu'ers making you pay more for your shiny things. If you put up the price for those items to where you would like them to be, they may eventually sell, but you want the money NOW, so you sell it for those market prices. The same is true of mixers (all disciplines) they want the ings they need and they don't want to wait for ages to get them so they pay the price that will get them the items. It's exactly the same as your RDHoLaM and NMT argument but in reverse.

[Norm]

I say brod him

[Wizzy]

Did it occur to anyone, that as long as people have Millions of gc's to spend on magic weapons/armors the manures will mass produce items trying to get that one rare to sell. I have seen people pay crazy amounts of gc's for an osomn etc. This is one reason too. There are many reason I am afriad, And I dont think the blame can all be placed on one.

[bigkav]

this, along with other stuff won't be changed. best stop trying. remove the ability to be able to get ahead with $ and the game economy will be fine. you can't track $. heaps of people break rule 5 using $ as the middleman and even though the mods know who does it, they can't "track" the $ so they can get away with it. $ is the main problem. there is other obvious problems in the game play such as the attributes/armors/weapons combo, but it looks like they won't be changed. (the ice dragon armor was changed and removed some of the resistances when they weren't even the problem, the problem was the armor-toughness ratio with the weapons. It's rendered black dragon torso better than ice dragon). You need to remember radu needs to make a living off the game, and that makes your perspective 10x different. What I'm swaying towards is that the game needs developers who actually practice that skill/sport. i.e a PKer for PK related changes. people who know what they are doing, watching people PK and PKing yourself are 2 totally different things.

Edited November 30, 2009 by Luigi

[TessAnna]

omg, that took ages to read. I think the prices should be as they were too.

 

@Ateh... ask me and I will make you stuff at the old prices... tell my where my bot is over priced and I will fix that as well. I do not believe in gouging the hell out of others, never have and never will.

 

@Asgnny (sorry i dont feel like finding the exact spot it was written so i can post it here) but I believe you said something about "as soon as its made illegal" or something to that effect.... I think there are enough rules already.

 

@harvesting comments.... who wants to harv so damn much with all the mini events? I (of all people) have even taken up training lately. Yes, I have harv meds, they cost a lot and are still a pain. Plus it seems lately there are a lot more things to explore. I love the new quests and I hope they keep coming, even if I am incapable of finishing them. I used to use harv as my chat time, click and chat... now its click click click cha... no wait, click.... lol. Kidding. Perhaps I am just tired of harvesting.

 

Trade ban? If a bot is way out of normal range, then I agree. I use RRaisa to check prices, but I don't always chose the highest or lowest price, I chose the most common or the average and then sometimes, I have to settle for what is available.

[Ateh]

@Ateh... ask me and I will make you stuff at the old prices... tell my where my bot is over priced and I will fix that as well. I do not believe in gouging the hell out of others, never have and never will.

your too kind Tess but really can you imagine Paladina asking to buy a binding stone for 7kgc , but the bot next to her will buy the binding stone for 15kgc -- who will the player sell to ?

 

if you have another bot who then says

but omg i need teh stonez's

and says i will buy for 16kgc we are now having issues with bots and its affecting your average joe shmoe player who just wants for example a COL but now to get one he has to pay 30kgc for 2 binding stones. Not cool anymore is it

[Infamous]

even if gold selling is involved upping the price is just giving them more power, average joe needs more Gc to purchase things so he will resort to buying gc

its just in the best interest for all keeping price steady instead of one day pay 15k for something and the same day u have to sell your soul on e-bay to buy some Gc from goldsellers to pay 900k for something that costed 15k when u had breakfast

 

 

Torr, get some sense

its not an MMORPG if we all go all-rounder, then it would be a FAIDWIWATRCDDIWBAADA (Fk All I Do Whatever I Want And The Rest Can Drop Dead I Was Born Alone And Die Alone) kinda game

and i have a manu alt

how about you get off your lazy ass, stop being greedy and get off that bandwagon?

 

or will we all go along with the ever increasing prices and every now and then say "bad Gc sales, bad bad" instead of doing something about it, high prices just make Gc more needed for someone to get what he wants, making him more likely to buy Gc

[TessAnna]

I dont care about the bot next to me... even at that price Ateh, I make a profit. May not be a huge one, but it's enough that I simply refuse to gouge people. And to YOU, I would give old prices.

[Ateh]

I dont care about the bot next to me... even at that price Ateh, I make a profit. May not be a huge one, but it's enough that I simply refuse to gouge people. And to YOU, I would give old prices.

 

dont make me cry or i will loose my super anger powers of persuasion

[nathanstenzel]

If people don't like Holar and other people buying binding stones at high prices, don't sell them s2e and scales at the cheap prices they want them for. The only way Holar can charge less for his hydro based or binding stone based gear than I do (note that everyone hates my prices and few pay the prices I ask) is because he can probably afford it after the massive savings on s2e and scales.

 

Greed is common in this game and many other games and real life. We are human. There will always be greedy humans on earth until it can no longer support life. Greed will make people want more $ in their pockets and gc on their chars.

 

Binding stones have become alot more rare lately.

 

We can be somewhat grateful that xp books are in the game. At least there is another way to level else than mass producing items. Of course, leather helms have always been one of the best items followed closely by augmented leather gear from scratch.

 

No matter how hard Radu or any other game owner tries, they will never be able to keep everyone happy. Someone will always whine and complain.

 

This topic seems like such a repeat. Prices have been discussed many many times. Some improvements have been made.

 

Most of the armor and weapon mixing that I do is mixing people's gear with insurance. I often end up trading items for items. These are ways to combat the difficult market that we have.